Russia declares war on Ukraine. Live updates from inside Ukraine

Outside of the Russian embassy in Kiev:

a reply to: SurrenderingAmerica

Attacking embassy of any country is sure to incite severe response.

Guess Iglas and RPG7s will do their work better than any high level meetings between diplomats.

Attacking embassy achieves nothing.

It is a fact that a civil war is on in Ukraine. The sides are being supported openly by different parties. The war is real and ugly.

It is fate that Ukraine is again a battleground after WWII.

If Ukraine goes to NATO, Russia cannot survive. It is a fact.

The Ukrainians are trapped in the middle of a great divide. Ukrainians should know that converting the country to a battlefield is not wise. The war can reduce whole of Ukraine to smouldering rubble.

Lol. Sorry I have to stop myself laughing here!!!

The Russian Government runs the media? And the US Government doesn't?

America has the biggest Tyrannical Government and controlled Media. We have seen this countless of times over the years where the US and UK media repeat everything the Government tells them to repeat.

You cannot say that the Russian Government controls everything the Russians see in their news because that is EXACTLY what the US Government does!

This whole mess in the Ukraine was created by the US and EU in the first place! Russia is just playing along!

There are 2 sides of the story in this mess and the US is up to it's eyes in Media Propaganda! And so is Russia. This conflict won't stop in the Ukraine until the US and it's puppets cut Russia off from Europe.

An article from historian Eric Zuesse. Good read.

America’s media, with very few exceptions (all of which have only small audiences) are refusing to publish the articles that I have been doing on Ukraine (including the ones I link to here), which expose the lies in America’s, and some foreign, “news” media. Something’s wrong.

War against Russia, initiated by the United States, is no mere game. It could kill virtually all of the public, even if the aristocracy might just fly off to one of the ten mansions they own elsewhere, and their financial paperwork at Cayman Island, Zurich, etc., will still remain in perfectly functioning order. The aristocracy who own and control those media are mentally robotizing the public via lies, in order for commoners to serve as pawns in their global chess-game.

The public in the West are being played for fools, and it’s now becoming so blatant, even worse than the lies that produced the scandalously vile invasion of Iraq (which our aristocratically controlled media also fooled the masses into supporting), so that the result will be either masses in “democratic” countries who really are fools, and who don’t at all hold the press to account for having raped their minds, or else it will be mass boycotts of the major “news” media, to protest it, and to change it — so as to restore democracy to America.

If boycotts of the press don’t soon start, democracy has already ended here, because, ever since we invaded Iraq in 2003, we’re already way past the time when there should be a mass boycott by Americans of their major “news” media — media that lie to them so brazenly, and so repeatedly, for so long.

We’re already dangerously close to being like Ukraine, where even fewer oligarchs control even more of the government and of the economy.

Ukraine isn’t becoming more like America. America is becoming more like Ukraine. Will the American public finally put their collective “foot” down? And, if not now, then when?

www.washingtonsblog.com...

Western countries in the United Nations Security Council have blocked Moscow's draft resolution condemning the attack on the Russian embassy in Kiev, a source in the UN says.

“Western delegations in the Security Council have blocked the Russian draft resolution condemning the attack on the embassy of the Russian federation in Kiev,” the source told RIA Novosti news agency.

No surprise there as those who organise these things cannot oppose them.
According to leaders of 'free, civilised and democratic world', US,UK and France, there is nothing to condemn about
"throwing stones and firecrackers and overturning diplomatic cars. A Molotov cocktail pelted at the premises, causing a minor fire,etc". But plenty to support.

Ultranationalists from far right organisation Right Sector in Kiev yesterday.

we had Cookie Lady first with her famous '.... EU' and now we have Junta's FM with another treasure of diplomatic
vocabulary. Lovely people.

In an incident that may be a first in diplomatic history, Kiev’s top diplomat publicly ‘effed’ the head of another state. Foreign Minister Andrey Deshchitsa chanted “Putin’s a f**ker” with a cheering crowd that earlier vandalized the Russian embassy.

Another hospital shelled.

The Ukrainian army resumed the shelling of Slavyansk on Saturday afternoon, causing more damage to the city and igniting fires, the local administration told RIA Novosti.

“In the afternoon the Ukrainian army shelled the center of Slavyansk, apparently trying to hit the self-defense forces. One of the shells hit the hospital. Two people were injured. One of them – a seriously injured nurse – passed away,” the source said.

rt.com...

a reply to: SurrenderingAmerica

Nope, no Nazi symbolism at all! When in doubt. . . blame Scapegoat Russia.

So your saying that Russia is a scapegoat, and the reason any of this is happening is because of that scapegoat Russia or are you looking at a different crisis in Ukraine?

Russia has neo Nazi's so with that being said does that mean the Russian gov't are neo Nazi because of the ideology of some of their citizens, because that seems to be the thought of some members concerning Ukraine.

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: SurrenderingAmerica

Nope, no Nazi symbolism at all! When in doubt. . . blame Scapegoat Russia.

So your saying that Russia is a scapegoat, and the reason any of this is happening is because of that scapegoat Russia or are you looking at a different crisis in Ukraine?

Russia has neo Nazi's so with that being said does that mean the Russian gov't are neo Nazi because of the ideology of some of their citizens, because that seems to be the thought of some members concerning Ukraine.

No.

The Russian Lower House has approved a bill that provides up to five years in prison for denying the facts set out in the Nuremberg Trial, rehabilitation of Nazism and distributing false information about the actions of Russia and its allies during WWII.

Once the bill is signed into law it will become illegal to publicly deny the Nuremberg Tribunal verdict and the anti-Hitler coalition’s effort to defend international peace and security during the Second World War. The ban also extends to knowingly spreading false reports about the crimes of anti-Nazi armies during the war and the fabrication of proof of such crimes.

In Ukraine, Stepan Bandera is a hero. His pictures have been seen on the streets, even some parliament parties
use his ideology (Svoboda).
The problem and the scary part here is that all those ultra-nationalists in Ukraine have been armed by government and they are now terrorising and oppressing local ethnic Russian population in the East who voiced their right not to be a part of the country where ultra nationalists and Russophobes sponsored by US wanted to take away their basic rights such as use of Russian language. They have every right to establish their own state Novorussiya and that is what they did.

a reply to: cosmonova

we had Cookie Lady first with her famous '.... EU' and now we have Junta's FM with another treasure of diplomatic
vocabulary. Lovely people.

Quick question for you...

Would any of this be happening if Russia didn't take and annex Crimea?

How about the people of Ukraine are tired of Russia destroying their country and aren't afraid to show their anger with this situation.

Do you think Russians would be any different if another country did what Russia is doing in Ukraine?

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: cosmonova

we had Cookie Lady first with her famous '.... EU' and now we have Junta's FM with another treasure of diplomatic
vocabulary. Lovely people.

Quick question for you...

Would any of this be happening if Russia didn't take and annex Crimea?

How about the people of Ukraine are tired of Russia destroying their country and aren't afraid to show their anger with this situation.

Do you think Russians would be any different if another country did what Russia is doing in Ukraine?

I think and I said that many times before, with current events I am convinced that Ukrainians and ethnic Russians have never been in love in 23 years long history of independent Ukrainian state. It was all just well hidden as long as ethnic Russians had some kind of assurance that Ukraine will always lean more and be more economically connected with Russia than EU/US. With Maidan events and the rise of nationalist movement in Ukraine, ethnic Russians did not feel safe anymore. Do not forget one of the first decision of new government was to remove Russian as an official language. That would give you a hint what to expect from that government if you are an ethnic Russian.
Don't you think ethnic Russians (8 million of them) have the right to decide and determine their future by themself?
Don't you think it would be the best solution for both sides to split a country and let Ukrainians have Ukraine and join
EU/NATO and what ever they want and let ethnic Russians have Novorussiya and join Russia or do what ever they want? Lets face it that is going to happen either way. With lot or with less bloodshed.
Looks like Kiev has decided to make it with lot of bloodshed. And you are smart enough to understand who is forcing them to do that in order to weaken Russia as an emerging economic and military superpower.

a reply to: cosmonova

The problem and the scary part here is that all those ultra-nationalists in Ukraine have been armed by government and they are now terrorising and oppressing local ethnic Russian population in the East who voiced their right not to be a part of the country where ultra nationalists and Russophobes sponsored by US wanted to take away their basic rights such as use of Russian language. They have every right to establish their own state Novorussiya and that is what they did.

What basic rights have the US tried to take away from ethnic Russians in Ukraine?

That is what the Russian media wants others to believe to back the reason why Russia decided to invade Ukraine, but that doesn't matter because Russia said it was happening even though evidence shows otherwise.

Yes they do have every right, but that doesn't mean the Russians have the right to invade and annex countries because they have citizens there now does it. They are still part of Ukraine and have to go by Ukraine laws.

a reply to: cosmonova

Do not forget one of the first decision of new government was to remove Russian as an official language.

And what new government are you talking about because according to the new government that is a lie.

From Poroshenko himself...

With guarantee of free usage of Russian language in your region.

www.globalresearch.ca...

So that is a fallacy and was never true in the first place, but that is what the Russian media is using as the main reason for Russia to do what we see today.

Don't you think ethnic Russians (8 million of them) have the right to decide and determine their future by themself?

That is fine but they need to do it without military assistance from another country. Just because they speak Russian that doesn't give Russia the right to do what they have done.

So how would Russia react if say China did what they are doing in Ukraine?

In fact if China decided it wants to annex Siberia because of ethnic speaking Chinese would you say they have the right to become part of China, and would you say that Russia should let them because that would be no different than what is happening in Ukraine.

Or is it only okay for Russia to do it?

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

US could not care less about either Ukrainians or ethnic Russians. All they care is Putin and how to get rid of him.
Weakening Russia by trapping them into civil war in Ukraine was an ideal solution but Putin is not biting. Just another miscalculation by White House. Removal of Asad in Syria did not end well either and Jihadists sponsored by White House are moving to Iraq. And now even 'mission completed' is far from being completed in Iraq. All of this is happening because US is trying so hard to remain the only superpower and keep its dominance. But it felt treathened with rise of Russia and China and is doing everything to stay afloat.
Bottom line every empire has expiration date and US have problem to accept that. They will try in a near future to destabilise Russia with some similar events in some other country in Russian neighbourhood. In my opinion Russia should do the same and instead of being always a step behind they should take initiative and sponsor some anti US governments around the world.

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

Surfer i got a idea. lets start a petition and send it to china that they should annex siberia to protect their countrymen there. Then Russia will have to make a choice. Keep up the ruse In ukraine OR keep the chinese out of SIberia.

Its so simple its almost criminal lol.

a reply to: cosmonova

Weakening Russia by trapping them into civil war in Ukraine was an ideal solution but Putin is not biting.

Really the US has caused a civil war in Ukraine...Interesting.

Now has the US or any of it's allies put military hardware in the hands of Ukraine or the Right Sector, because that is something that has been shown Putin has done with the separatists.

The civil war is being pushed by the Russians and the world knows this even though Putin tries to deny it.

All of this is happening because US is trying so hard to remain the only superpower and keep its dominance.

No all of this is happening because Putin is a paranoid leader of State. If the US wanted to do that it very well could have done that when the fall of the Soviet Union happened so that argument doesn't work anymore.

They will try in a near future to destabilise Russia with some similar events in some other country in Russian neighbourhood.

Russia doesn't need the US to do something like that as they have done that all by themselves...Georgia and now Ukraine shows it.

In my opinion Russia should do the same and instead of being always a step behind they should take initiative and sponsor some anti US governments around the world.

And somehow you think that doesn't already happen?

a reply to: yuppa

Surfer i got a idea. lets start a petition and send it to china that they should annex siberia to protect their countrymen there. Then Russia will have to make a choice. Keep up the ruse In ukraine OR keep the chinese out of SIberia.

If that happened all the Russian sympathizers would have their panties in a bunch claiming China was in the wrong for doing that.

It would be hypocrisy at it's finest.

Look its the pro nazi government in Moscow allowing nazis to openly march on moscow's streets. This just proves beyond a doubt that Putin is controlled by NAZIs. See how stupid this sounds but Russia is trying to float this heres a video of neo nazis on the streets of moscow thousands i might add. No one denies there is neo nazigroups in Ukraine but they have far more power in Russia. But Putin is ok with them because they go after gays and immigrants which he has a problem with as well.

www.huffingtonpost.com...

a reply to: dragonridr

Look its the pro nazi government in Moscow allowing nazis to openly march on moscow's streets. This just proves beyond a doubt that Putin is controlled by NAZIs. See how stupid this sounds but Russia is trying to float this heres a video of neo nazis on the streets of moscow thousands i might add. No one denies there is neo nazigroups in Ukraine but they have far more power in Russia. But Putin is ok with them because they go after gays and immigrants which he has a problem with as well.

Hard to dispute the facts when shown, but I bet some try.