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ProfessorChaos
I think that no matter what "system" is put in place, there will always be injustice. There will always be a privileged few as compared to the under-privileged many; it's human nature.
The only thing I know for sure is that when I get up in the morning to go to work, I don't do it to make the world a better place, I do it to try to improve my family's situation. Is that greed, or personal responsibility?
I grew up very poor, living on welfare and all sorts of government assistance. Do you know why? Because my father was a shiftless layabout drug addict and drug dealer, who couldn't hold a job because someone was always "holding him down". He and my mother were the reason we were poor, not because someone else was rich. They didn't try to make a better life for themselves and their children, and got what they'd earned; nothing.
We lived in the projects in the Boston area and everyone around us were living the same way; there was no effort on the part of any of them to change their lives. Why? Because they didn't have to; the check came every month.
I've resented my childhood and the life I was born into ever since I could work (I began working at 14), and I do not intend to allow my children to have the same example that I did, so I work.
I don't make much, but I'll be damned if anyone's going to take my earnings and give them to someone else's kids. I didn't make them, and I have no intention of supporting them. Does that make me cold-hearted? If so, then I guess that's what I am.
This entire argument of taking from some to give to others is complete and utter B.S. Is the current system messed up? Absolutely, but that doesn't mean that ideas like the one espoused by the OP of this thread should ever be considered.
I have to admit, this discussion and the tenor it has adopted, not only makes me physically ill, it fills me with contempt for what would appear to be a very large group of people who appear to have nothing better to do than to ogle the lifestyles of others, and to desire it for themselves, but are unwilling to attain for themselves through work.edit on 1/30/2014 by ProfessorChaos because: typo
spiritualzombie
ProfessorChaos
I think that no matter what "system" is put in place, there will always be injustice. There will always be a privileged few as compared to the under-privileged many; it's human nature.
The only thing I know for sure is that when I get up in the morning to go to work, I don't do it to make the world a better place, I do it to try to improve my family's situation. Is that greed, or personal responsibility?
I grew up very poor, living on welfare and all sorts of government assistance. Do you know why? Because my father was a shiftless layabout drug addict and drug dealer, who couldn't hold a job because someone was always "holding him down". He and my mother were the reason we were poor, not because someone else was rich. They didn't try to make a better life for themselves and their children, and got what they'd earned; nothing.
We lived in the projects in the Boston area and everyone around us were living the same way; there was no effort on the part of any of them to change their lives. Why? Because they didn't have to; the check came every month.
I've resented my childhood and the life I was born into ever since I could work (I began working at 14), and I do not intend to allow my children to have the same example that I did, so I work.
I don't make much, but I'll be damned if anyone's going to take my earnings and give them to someone else's kids. I didn't make them, and I have no intention of supporting them. Does that make me cold-hearted? If so, then I guess that's what I am.
This entire argument of taking from some to give to others is complete and utter B.S. Is the current system messed up? Absolutely, but that doesn't mean that ideas like the one espoused by the OP of this thread should ever be considered.
I have to admit, this discussion and the tenor it has adopted, not only makes me physically ill, it fills me with contempt for what would appear to be a very large group of people who appear to have nothing better to do than to ogle the lifestyles of others, and to desire it for themselves, but are unwilling to attain for themselves through work.edit on 1/30/2014 by ProfessorChaos because: typo
That last paragraph is so sad. Does it really have to come down to jealousy for you? An ogle of lifestyles? Could it be a disgust in a deeply unfair system? Why do we even have religion on this planet if we aren't going to strive for some sort of divine path of love and hope for all?
I know you see a problem with 1% owning the wealth, being in charge of policy, basically rigging the system for themselves. To speak against that system, does it have to be out of jealousy?
If you look at a nation, many low in poverty, and you see a single tall spire of incredibly wealthy, and on closer examination you see laws passed that say money is free speech, corporations are people--- Do you not see a horribly corrupt system taking advantage of so many? Enslaving people.
Don't despair in jealousy. See the truth.
ProfessorChaos
spiritualzombie
ProfessorChaos
I think that no matter what "system" is put in place, there will always be injustice. There will always be a privileged few as compared to the under-privileged many; it's human nature.
The only thing I know for sure is that when I get up in the morning to go to work, I don't do it to make the world a better place, I do it to try to improve my family's situation. Is that greed, or personal responsibility?
I grew up very poor, living on welfare and all sorts of government assistance. Do you know why? Because my father was a shiftless layabout drug addict and drug dealer, who couldn't hold a job because someone was always "holding him down". He and my mother were the reason we were poor, not because someone else was rich. They didn't try to make a better life for themselves and their children, and got what they'd earned; nothing.
We lived in the projects in the Boston area and everyone around us were living the same way; there was no effort on the part of any of them to change their lives. Why? Because they didn't have to; the check came every month.
I've resented my childhood and the life I was born into ever since I could work (I began working at 14), and I do not intend to allow my children to have the same example that I did, so I work.
I don't make much, but I'll be damned if anyone's going to take my earnings and give them to someone else's kids. I didn't make them, and I have no intention of supporting them. Does that make me cold-hearted? If so, then I guess that's what I am.
This entire argument of taking from some to give to others is complete and utter B.S. Is the current system messed up? Absolutely, but that doesn't mean that ideas like the one espoused by the OP of this thread should ever be considered.
I have to admit, this discussion and the tenor it has adopted, not only makes me physically ill, it fills me with contempt for what would appear to be a very large group of people who appear to have nothing better to do than to ogle the lifestyles of others, and to desire it for themselves, but are unwilling to attain for themselves through work.edit on 1/30/2014 by ProfessorChaos because: typo
That last paragraph is so sad. Does it really have to come down to jealousy for you? An ogle of lifestyles? Could it be a disgust in a deeply unfair system? Why do we even have religion on this planet if we aren't going to strive for some sort of divine path of love and hope for all?
I know you see a problem with 1% owning the wealth, being in charge of policy, basically rigging the system for themselves. To speak against that system, does it have to be out of jealousy?
If you look at a nation, many low in poverty, and you see a single tall spire of incredibly wealthy, and on closer examination you see laws passed that say money is free speech, corporations are people--- Do you not see a horribly corrupt system taking advantage of so many? Enslaving people.
Don't despair in jealousy. See the truth.
If all you got out of my post was that I've put your idea down to simple jealousy, then you've missed the point entirely, and that is the real problem with this entire discussion.
neo96
There is nothing misleading about calling them what they are.
neo96
Since a person pays 6/2 percent in total contributions, and other people are paying the rest (employers/medicare tax on capital gains), and the difference is made up by the rest of us, and printing and borrowing.
neo96
They are indeed WELFARE.
neo96
Yeah I am fully aware of the French and Russian 'revolutions' killing people over money. Who now have more debt than ever.
ProfessorChaos
spiritualzombie
ProfessorChaos
I think that no matter what "system" is put in place, there will always be injustice. There will always be a privileged few as compared to the under-privileged many; it's human nature.
The only thing I know for sure is that when I get up in the morning to go to work, I don't do it to make the world a better place, I do it to try to improve my family's situation. Is that greed, or personal responsibility?
I grew up very poor, living on welfare and all sorts of government assistance. Do you know why? Because my father was a shiftless layabout drug addict and drug dealer, who couldn't hold a job because someone was always "holding him down". He and my mother were the reason we were poor, not because someone else was rich. They didn't try to make a better life for themselves and their children, and got what they'd earned; nothing.
We lived in the projects in the Boston area and everyone around us were living the same way; there was no effort on the part of any of them to change their lives. Why? Because they didn't have to; the check came every month.
I've resented my childhood and the life I was born into ever since I could work (I began working at 14), and I do not intend to allow my children to have the same example that I did, so I work.
I don't make much, but I'll be damned if anyone's going to take my earnings and give them to someone else's kids. I didn't make them, and I have no intention of supporting them. Does that make me cold-hearted? If so, then I guess that's what I am.
This entire argument of taking from some to give to others is complete and utter B.S. Is the current system messed up? Absolutely, but that doesn't mean that ideas like the one espoused by the OP of this thread should ever be considered.
I have to admit, this discussion and the tenor it has adopted, not only makes me physically ill, it fills me with contempt for what would appear to be a very large group of people who appear to have nothing better to do than to ogle the lifestyles of others, and to desire it for themselves, but are unwilling to attain for themselves through work.edit on 1/30/2014 by ProfessorChaos because: typo
That last paragraph is so sad. Does it really have to come down to jealousy for you? An ogle of lifestyles? Could it be a disgust in a deeply unfair system? Why do we even have religion on this planet if we aren't going to strive for some sort of divine path of love and hope for all?
I know you see a problem with 1% owning the wealth, being in charge of policy, basically rigging the system for themselves. To speak against that system, does it have to be out of jealousy?
If you look at a nation, many low in poverty, and you see a single tall spire of incredibly wealthy, and on closer examination you see laws passed that say money is free speech, corporations are people--- Do you not see a horribly corrupt system taking advantage of so many? Enslaving people.
Don't despair in jealousy. See the truth.
If all you got out of my post was that I've put your idea down to simple jealousy, then you've missed the point entirely, and that is the real problem with this entire discussion.
Medicare and Social Security are billed separately, and are NOT part of welfare. I have yet to see anyone agree with you on this topic, and you really should consider not posting it that way anymore. For one thing, its misleading, and you know it. Also its debt that the government owes back to those who paid into it, the same as a Treasury Bond
wel·fare (wĕl′fâr′) n. 1. a. Health, happiness, and good fortune; well-being. b. Prosperity. 2. Welfare work. 3. a. Financial or other aid provided, especially by the government, to people in need. b. Corporate welfare. Idiom: on welfare Receiving regular assistance from the government or private agencies because of need.
diom: on welfare Receiving regular assistance from the government or private agencies because of need.
Its supposed to be covered by the employee and employer, the government is supposed to invest the rest to make up the difference.
No they are not, that is why they don't have the same name nor are administered by the same organization. You are posting false and misleading information.
thesaneone
reply to post by spiritualzombie
So is your problem with the people with all the money or the corrupt government?
beezzer
What happens after the wealth is redistributed?
totallackey
spacedog1973
totallackey
reply to post by spacedog1973
Does my writing lead you to believe i have done otherwise?
Your post speaks for itself.
Yes it does. And your reply to that post:
You would've done well to have taken your father's advice and applied 5 minutes thought to it.
Because everyone who has money now, earned it through their own hard work, right? And everyone who is suffering deserves it.
Some people.
smh
...also speaks for itself.
In other words, it is always the other guy...
It is a fact of life that pain and suffering are the norm. How you deal with the pain and suffering is the measure of success.
While there certainly are people who get their kicks from the practice of schadenfreud, I think you have the culprits misidentified. The culprits are easily identified...it is the ones loudly demanding the removal (forced or otherwise) of things so mundane as money or property from others. Once this practice starts, then who/what is next?edit on 30-1-2014 by totallackey because: clarity
spiritualzombie
The 1% is a problem.
beezzer
What happens after the wealth is redistributed?
spiritualzombie
ProfessorChaos
spiritualzombie
ProfessorChaos
I think that no matter what "system" is put in place, there will always be injustice. There will always be a privileged few as compared to the under-privileged many; it's human nature.
The only thing I know for sure is that when I get up in the morning to go to work, I don't do it to make the world a better place, I do it to try to improve my family's situation. Is that greed, or personal responsibility?
I grew up very poor, living on welfare and all sorts of government assistance. Do you know why? Because my father was a shiftless layabout drug addict and drug dealer, who couldn't hold a job because someone was always "holding him down". He and my mother were the reason we were poor, not because someone else was rich. They didn't try to make a better life for themselves and their children, and got what they'd earned; nothing.
We lived in the projects in the Boston area and everyone around us were living the same way; there was no effort on the part of any of them to change their lives. Why? Because they didn't have to; the check came every month.
I've resented my childhood and the life I was born into ever since I could work (I began working at 14), and I do not intend to allow my children to have the same example that I did, so I work.
I don't make much, but I'll be damned if anyone's going to take my earnings and give them to someone else's kids. I didn't make them, and I have no intention of supporting them. Does that make me cold-hearted? If so, then I guess that's what I am.
This entire argument of taking from some to give to others is complete and utter B.S. Is the current system messed up? Absolutely, but that doesn't mean that ideas like the one espoused by the OP of this thread should ever be considered.
I have to admit, this discussion and the tenor it has adopted, not only makes me physically ill, it fills me with contempt for what would appear to be a very large group of people who appear to have nothing better to do than to ogle the lifestyles of others, and to desire it for themselves, but are unwilling to attain for themselves through work.edit on 1/30/2014 by ProfessorChaos because: typo
That last paragraph is so sad. Does it really have to come down to jealousy for you? An ogle of lifestyles? Could it be a disgust in a deeply unfair system? Why do we even have religion on this planet if we aren't going to strive for some sort of divine path of love and hope for all?
I know you see a problem with 1% owning the wealth, being in charge of policy, basically rigging the system for themselves. To speak against that system, does it have to be out of jealousy?
If you look at a nation, many low in poverty, and you see a single tall spire of incredibly wealthy, and on closer examination you see laws passed that say money is free speech, corporations are people--- Do you not see a horribly corrupt system taking advantage of so many? Enslaving people.
Don't despair in jealousy. See the truth.
If all you got out of my post was that I've put your idea down to simple jealousy, then you've missed the point entirely, and that is the real problem with this entire discussion.
I zeroed in on that last paragraph because at the end of your story I felt sad.
I too grew up on welfare. My mom was raising two kids because my dad left. My dad made really good money as a lawyer, but somehow he never paid child support. So my mom raised us, and we were on welfare for many years. She went back to school, got a degree, and a few years later a job. It was a point of pride for her to finally be off welfare. I will always remember how excited she was when she came home, telling me she got the job. I was too little to understand all the details of the benefits, but she was so happy. We never went back on welfare.
So my point of view is very different. I have seen the system work exactly as it's meant to and I believe every family should have the opportunity.