Time for a mass redistribution of wealth

The 1% is a problem.

If this were one of those sim games, where you control the sim-nation, and it evolved to a state of mass poverty and 1% of the population controlling everyone else, that game would be considered a fail. Too much unhappiness. Not enough balance.

They have tipped the scales too far. It's obvious to any reasonable person. This psychosis of greed may even destroy the world if it's allowed. I am convinced at this point that the "free market" championed by these mentally ill people is nothing more than an enabler to their addiction.

I'm reminded of a time I played monopoly with my little sister. I won that game so well-- but the winnings were so good, I didn't want to stop playing. My stacks of $500 bills so high that it went beyond the capacity of the bank, and we had to switch to paper and calculator. My little sister was so sad to lose and I had so much fun winning that I said, don't worry, just pay me what you can now, give me your railroads, and when you pass go, just give me the $200 for a few turns. I worked out a nice little debt system for her so she could still hang onto hope of winning... of course I knew she had no chance. Every lap around the board she only accrued more debt. She was not having fun, but I kept encouraging her. This mentality is exactly in control of the capitalist system. It's bad. It's a scam. There is no opportunity and they know it. They LIKE it that way.

Time for a massive change. I vote for a mass redistribution of wealth.

reply to post by spiritualzombie


Good luck talking the most wealthy & powerful in the world share their wealth with the rest of the peons on this earth!

Our monetary system was EFFED since Woodrow Wilson accepted the Federal Reserve and sent us down a path to destruction ever since.....You have to have money to make money...That is the main issue with most of us!! WE DON'T HAVE IT, SO WE CAN'T MAKE IT!!

Who takes it? Who distributes it? At what point is an amount deemed to be greedy? What if a person with that amount started with nothing and earned it honestly? Who gets it? What if the person getting it has made a ruin of their life?

What happens when 6 months down the road, the rich are rich again and many of the poor are poor again?

So if I'm Ghetto Joe and don't know any better and you cut me a check for a million dollars and I cash it in at the "Checks Cashed Here" place and blow it all on bull# like a Hummer with 26 inch rims, a diamond filled grill fors ma'tooths and clubbing are you going to redistribute it again to make up for my broke-again lifestyle? After a grace-period maybe?

Sure there are some unfortunate souls in poverty through no fault of their own. There are also plenty who are there through no fault but their own.

So for those people whom this windfall will be temporary will you just want to do this all again in a few years? Are we going to start cutting regular checks from the wealthy to the poor directly?

If so, where do I sign up?

reply to post by spiritualzombie


What gave you the idea that we had a free market?

The largest Mass Redistribution of Wealth going on is Obama & Co robbing the country blind by mandating and regulations.

AND, we haven't seen nothing yet. You wait... about 4 more months and it will all be crumbling down around Obama and the Dems.

I see the 11th US House Dem Rep (Waxman) had decided to not run again for his 21st term! Thank you.

Apparently in the Politico today, they are reporting the Dems had ceeded the US House of Reps to the Republicans and will now focus on the US Senate.

Tough times ahead for the Obamacare supporters as well.

reply to post by ketsuko


At what point is too much alcohol deemed alcoholic? At what point is any excess deemed too excessive? I suppose you have to have a good head on your shoulders and a solid understanding of right and wrong and the betterment of mankind to answer those questions.

I think 1% is an easy one to identify.

How to redistribute is the question-- but we should all be in agreement that it needs to be done. The solution needs to be one that benefits society as a whole.

Raising minimum wage is just one tiny political step. But the support should be in finding ways to pull more money from the wealthy, while EDUCATING THE WORLD on the dangers of greed. We should identify greed as an addiction or mental illness and not applaud it but ask "What's wrong with you? Why are you holding onto this all for yourself? Did you rise to such heights all for yourself?" This is a mental problem. It's extremely dangerous.

Classifying greed as a serious mental illness or addiction is another important step I feel. And every religious person should be onboard with that. I would say anyone who is stockpiling cash in mass amounts living in extravagant excess, and not putting the majority of their winnings back into the system for the betterment of mankind should have to face their problem.

Greed is the pursuit of self. The pursuit of self is the opposite direction we should be going. It's no wonder that the party that most pursues greed also has a tendency of blaming poor and unfortunate people for costing too much money. They wants the precious for themselves!

reply to post by spiritualzombie


Yeah! Right on!

You grab the pitchforks, I'll get the torches!

What do we do after we take all the rich people's money?

Do we kill them?
Toss them in jail?
Make them poor and hungry?

Let's take everything from everyone that has more! Then WE'LL be the ones that have more!

Then no-one better take it from us, right?

'Cause then we'll be the 1% and we EARNED it by taking it from those who earned-. . . . oh.

Um, never mind. . . . . .

reply to post by Chrisfishenstein


Then lets go take that #. Look at the actual hours of physical labor you put in, and see how screwed you were, then you may see its you %$@*^&% money anyways... They stole it first.

An inanimate object takes precedence over a beating heart?

How about everybody pool their money together so we can buy a way to get out of this solar system before the inevitability occurs; no more us...



Why rely on a tool of survival that insures we don't?

thisguyrighthere
So if I'm Ghetto Joe and don't know any better and you cut me a check for a million dollars and I cash it in at the "Checks Cashed Here" place and blow it all on bull# like a Hummer with 26 inch rims, a diamond filled grill fors ma'tooths and clubbing are you going to redistribute it again to make up for my broke-again lifestyle? After a grace-period maybe?

Sure there are some unfortunate souls in poverty through no fault of their own. There are also plenty who are there through no fault but their own.

So for those people whom this windfall will be temporary will you just want to do this all again in a few years? Are we going to start cutting regular checks from the wealthy to the poor directly?

If so, where do I sign up?

Ghetto Joe who takes his million dollars and uses for total selfishness of himself, not for the betterment of a family, or for sick and hungry, but for a Hummer with 26 inch rims-- is just another victim of this mental illness of greed. Society has championed the pursuit of self to such a degree that even you immediately go straight to Hummers and diamond teeth with a million dollars. This is insanity.

This is why I say there needs to be an education of greed. In the same way we can recognize other illnesses, other diseases, or addictions... Clearly, anyone with a million dollars is susceptible.

How much is too much. How much is not enough?

You think Ghetto Joe's Hummer and diamond teeth are any worse than hookers and blow and using money to buy laws that pillar your own greed?

spiritualzombie
reply to post by ketsuko

 

At what point is too much alcohol deemed alcoholic? At what point is any excess deemed too excessive? I suppose you have to have a good head on your shoulders and a solid understanding of right and wrong and the betterment of mankind to answer those questions.

I think 1% is an easy one to identify.

How to redistribute is the question-- but we should all be in agreement that it needs to be done. The solution needs to be one that benefits society as a whole.

Raising minimum wage is just one tiny political step. But the support should be in finding ways to pull more money from the wealthy, while EDUCATING THE WORLD on the dangers of greed. We should identify greed as an addiction or mental illness and not applaud it but ask "What's wrong with you? Why are you holding onto this all for yourself? Did you rise to such heights all for yourself?" This is a mental problem. It's extremely dangerous.

Classifying greed as a serious mental illness or addiction is another important step I feel. And every religious person should be onboard with that. I would say anyone who is stockpiling cash in mass amounts living in extravagant excess, and not putting the majority of their winnings back into the system for the betterment of mankind should have to face their problem.

Greed is the pursuit of self. The pursuit of self is the opposite direction we should be going. It's no wonder that the party that most pursues greed also has a tendency of blaming poor and unfortunate people for costing too much money. They wants the precious for themselves!

Do you know what else is greed?

Greed is wanting something that someone else has because they have it and you don't. That's greed mixed with a healthy dose of envy.

So, as a Christian, I have to ask myself - which is the bigger sinner? The person who has a lot because they worked hard and earned it and don't share it thus making them greedy? Or the person who doesn't have a lot but covets the things others have that they earned and don't share making them also greedy on top of covetous?

Why would I fall in with either side especially when one is advocating theft as a means of assuaging their greed?

reply to post by beezzer

You grab the pitchforks, I'll get the torches!

Gotta love mob rule.

Them evil 1% ers.

reply to post by spiritualzombie


I have several boats, cars, trucks, guns, guitars, jet skis, dirt bikes, etc. You know how I got all this stuff?
I worked my ass off for it all and you ain't taking @#** from me!
If you want what I have, do what I do and put in the blood, sweat and tears.

This damn gimmie attitude will get you nowhere!

spiritualzombie

This is why I say there needs to be an education of greed. In the same way we can recognize other illnesses, other diseases, or addictions... Clearly, anyone with a million dollars is susceptible.

How much is too much. How much is not enough?

You think Ghetto Joe's Hummer and diamond teeth are any worse than hookers and blow and using money to buy laws that pillar your own greed?

That's a little different than wealth-redistribution. What you want is a complete cultural shift. I wouldnt disagree with the value of that but that certainly isnt redistribution of wealth.

Coke and hookers are just as frivolous as rims and gold teeth but either of those things isnt necessarily representative of greed. Greed as a motivator could lend one to be able to afford ornaments or entertainment but they themselves are not greed based.

I'm all for a cultural shift away from selfishness. You're not going to get there by simply redistributing wealth.

beezzer
reply to post by spiritualzombie

 

Yeah! Right on!

You grab the pitchforks, I'll get the torches!

What do we do after we take all the rich people's money?

Do we kill them?
Toss them in jail?
Make them poor and hungry?

Let's take everything from everyone that has more! Then WE'LL be the ones that have more!

Then no-one better take it from us, right?

'Cause then we'll be the 1% and we EARNED it by taking it from those who earned-. . . . oh.

Um, never mind. . . . . .

Pitchforks and torches are not the answer. You can't physically steal this money and spread it around. All that does is encourage selfishness-- and I promise you, whoever the actual individuals are who would storm a building with pitchforks and torches have so much anger and hatred in their hearts, they will be most susceptible to greed when they hold the piles of cash to distribute. That would just create a new set of hillbilly overlords.

Come back to the core. 1% is wrong. 1% is a broken failed system. You must see the truth in that.

Rules, laws, changes to the system are what is required. They are sometimes easy to identify. Just like taking a demon-possessed child to a church... the laws that effect the richest make them scream in anguish. This is where we need to concentrate focus.

All while educating the public on the dangers of greed.

There is only one way for your idea to work and that is armed rebellion. The haves will not give voluntary what they have. The only way is to force them. This could be done through new laws and legislation, but with all the best intentions in the world everyone knows that the law makers are part of the problem. They will not alter one single thing because their fingers are in the same pie. Sometimes the American people are so naïve. Put basically what you propose is called SOCIALISM or better still COMMUNISM. Now put those two words in your op title and get flamed big time by your countrymen.

reply to post by spiritualzombie


If we are going to get anywhere, we need to change the way we think. The way we place value on things.

Not just a few of us, but society(s) as a whole.

It can be done, but it'll take time.

And by the time we can (as a culture and society) reflect and appreciate the real valuable things in life, then the 1% will have become meaningless.

Boiled down to the most simple : Taking something that you havent worked for is THEFT. Plain, simple, universal. It can be GIVEN to you if a person wishes, but to take it... youll at times get whats coming to you, like most thieves do.

reply to post by spiritualzombie


Do you honestly believe that this redistribution would stop with the 1%? Whose to say what rich is. Any body that lives better than me is rich. That will be the way it is viewed by most people.
Do athletes and actors fall into the equation to? Will tom cruse no longer make 20 million a movie? We can cap him and labron James at 100k a year.