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Considering the bigger picture, the current paradigm of advertising-driven consumer culture is unsustainable anyway. In the end, we'll just have to learn to consume less. Better get used to it now. The Earth's resources aren't infinite, you know.
California security company Proofpoint has said that for the first time hackers have used smart appliances to launch a cyber attack.
The ‘botnet’ attack took place over a two-week period from December 23rd according to the company.
Hackers penetrated home-networking routers and connected to media centers, television and in once case a refrigerator to create a platform capable of delivering spam or phishing emails.
reply to post by amraks
but reports I have been reading say that they will turn off your fridge de froster in peak hours, that is available now online (please do a search)
reply to post by ChesterJohn
As I said I dont know to much about it but have done some research.
It appears right now that smart meters cant determine a fridge from a n Iron, but they can say what appliance is using the amount of energy, when you turn it on it will say that this is costing 97p
So if they can tell how much an item is costing to run then its not far fetched to assume they could turn it off with wirless wifi.
I can turn my printer off from here and its in another room by wi fi, I can get it to print etc etc it will report to me here when it is short of ink.
That is 5 years old.
So its fair to assume that modern smart meters can do this.
But we have already established that on there own this might not be possible.
Thats why each appliance is to be chipped, all appliances withing the EU are to be chipped, you will no longer be able to buy a non chipped appliance.
The chip and smart meter will be able to communicate just as my laptop does with my printer.
Thats as much as I have been able to find out,
but the energy companies have had to pay out £12.1 billion in the uk and they will want that back.
( i wonder who from)
reply to post by Astyanax
Well I don't know what part is bull and what is not, I just posted something I was told and never knew anything about smart meter.
I had only read that when your milk runs out your fridge will order some more, and I thought that was tied in with smart meters.
But after researching, each appliance is going to be chipped and 3 years from now you wont be able to buy an appliance thats not chipped.
by 2020 every house in the uk will have a smart meter, but it must be sooner because if its not done by 2019 the E.U will fine energy companies.
So 6 years from now all this will be in place and the energy companies billions out of pocket for installing smart meters.
But its for our benefit and its to reduce our bills.
Anyone really believe that this is for our benefit.
reply to post by amraks
All I can say is that was what I was told, I was hoping someone would come on who has looked into this and say yes thats what is going to happen this, that, but not that.
I said the Xbox, but reports I have been reading say that they will turn off your fridge de froster in peak hours, that is available now online (please do a search)
Now if they can mess with your fridge, they could mess with your heating etc.
What I have read is a lot worse than what I was told, they are not going to just bill you extra for appliances the deem luxury, they are going to turn them off to save them having to start up addional turbines to save them money
They might say its not to cold in that area we will cut the heating off in that area. they will decide what appliances we will need on and off, when and when not, I was not told this, and this is far worse than what I was told.
And the best of it is, its all online for anyone to find, its going to happen, chips in appliances and smart meters installed.
I never heard of any of this a week ago, its all news to me and I have to say Im amazed at what a search is throwing up.
reply to post by soficrow
I remember the 70s also. You were entitled by law to a wage packet at the end f the week and most were paid in the hand with wage slip,
The banks then refuse overdraft facilities to Businesses unless they had employees wages paid into the bank.
I went from being paid in my hand to having to make a trip to the bank to get my wages, and many times they were not in when they should have been and you had no choice but to buy your shopping using the checkbook they gave you, somehow the cheque cleared before the wages were in so I got charged and overdraft fee pf £24.
They stole £24 from me, when I had my wages in my hand I had them and would pay for my shopping.
They are crooks
Ya I know Asty, kinda gets you down when you conserve everything you possibly can and their still come'n at ya with their hand out.
An itemised bill is not needed. Only a little understanding of the basics of electricity.
reply to post by VoidHawk
so prove that the Electric company can identify each appliance in your home by asking them to give you and itemized bill of consumption that list each appliance by name and usage.
The meter cannot tell the difference between my electric stove and my old floor strip heater and both are rated the same and use the same amount when turned on or there location in the house or on my fuse box.
ChesterJohn it also cannot tell the difference between my smoke alarm and my cell phone charger both use 5v. or my printer and my laptop both of them use 19v
I just thought about it now, if I can do it with 5 year old tech, then they can do the same.
They are putting a computer in your home just like my laptop, every appliance will have a chip just like my ps3.
So thats how they will no its a fridge or a phone, and not only that they might be able read all the info on your phone just as my laptop does with my ps3.
reply to post by ChesterJohn
No John thats no the case with circuit breakers. what they are reporting is that they will turn off certain past of a fridge frezzer like the automatic defroster.
Do some searching you will be amazed what I found in a few days.
I thought when I told of the conversation I had with this guy that this was news because I never heard of it before, but its all over the internet, things you dont think are true you will find they are.
The investment in this tech is staggering and thr cant say its to reduce bills and show you what is using what.
I dont need this, I just look at my bills to see that I have to turn off the heating when in bed or when the house is empty, who leaves landing lights on now adays, I bet everyone turns of lights in a room not been used.
So i dont buy that this major investment that only tells you what you are burning is the full story, I think its a cover story
reply to post by pavmas
I´m not the first one to try to explain to you that the smart meter has nothing to do how a smart fridge orders the ingredients (over WAN (aka internet), surprise surprise). But maybe you get it this time.
What the smart meter does is this:
It measures the voltage and ampere levels each at a time at a very fast rate (because you can´t measure voltage and ampere at the same time without screwing one value a bit). So they log the consumption over a period of time (24/7). Some power companies overlay a signal on top of the 50/60 Hz at around 10pm and 6am to tell the meter that now, energy is cheaper, thus the meter does now count the energy on a different counter so you can differ between the cheap time and the normal time. This is common and works with analog meters too.
Also, the smart meter really can differ between some appliances, like described by voidhawk before.
As a electronics engineer and software developer it would not be that hard to write a tool that analyses the power consumption and over time could seperate different devices, although mostly not knowing what it is but link the program to a database with sample values and it will be very accurate over time to tell what you are running at the moment. Also, like void hawk said, every appliance generates a little noise and
reply to post by ChesterJohn
with the smart meters here that run unix kernel, they have the abilities for sure. The behavior of a simple light bulb (inductive current) and the behavior of a switched power supply (capacitive) like your personal computer uses is vastly different in terms of load. But that would really blow the topic here.
edit on 22-1-2014 by verschickter because: (no reason given)