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The JFK Assassination----NASA and USAEC Roles-----50 Years is long Enough

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posted on Jan, 17 2014 @ 12:02 PM
reply to post by MagnumOpus

JFK had his sights on the Masons as Secret Societies and they were also driving the violance issues in Civil Rights, just as Albert Pike's ideas dictated. JFK likely even spotted the huge Mason Winston Churchill alliance with Mason Hoover and Masons FDR and Truman in the Office of President. imho

In early 1961 JFK found all these matters to be repugnant.

Is that the speech he did called the President and the Press? the one that had nothing to do with secret societies (as JFK was in one) but had to do with asking the press for more secrecy in national security measures?

Because you and your incredibly thick head hasn't found the brain power to watch the entire speech, or at least read it in context.

And with your name changing mason, bring more than your blog for proof. Next you will be referencing ATS posts for proof.

posted on Jan, 17 2014 @ 12:11 PM
Then, once one discovers the Masons theme on the Catholic Kennedy hits, one takes note of Mason Clint Murchison and his very close Mason associate Mason J Edgar Hoover and the many Hotel De Charro visits in La Jolla, Ca.. imho

Then note the Mason Clint Murchison also owns the Del Mar Race track and that Sirhan Sirhan worked at Del Mar race track and then that the nearby Hotel Del Charro in La Jolla, Ca. is also owned by Clint Murchison. Then, Sirhan gets inflamed and worked up enough to fire some shots around RFK, but the head shot that killed RFK didn't come from the Sirhan Sirhan direction.

Then one finds another, make a Patsy game, by Masons that was used to kill RFK, because these Masons knew RFK was coming for them if he got to be President and he would avenge JFK's death. imho

Then look to ultra healthy Catholic Pope John Paul I going after Masons infiltrating the Country of the Vatican, and he suddenly dies.

Then you find a bunch of Crooks known for causing problems all over Europe and now causing much bloodshed in the US. imho

edit on 17-1-2014 by MagnumOpus because: The extent of Masons being involved in anti-Communist and Royalism and Fascist promotion is huge. imh

posted on Jan, 17 2014 @ 01:58 PM

network dude

Some Masons operate in the same way as Mafia and CIA do... secret oaths, secret allegiances, NDA's, factions within factions... pro-Fascist, anti-Communist, pseudo-Democratic, fac·sim·i·le Republican, feudalistic in the extreme, they are a totally different species of human beings because they are Satanic in design.

Which ones are satanic? Please name them. You said, it, you own it. Now prove it.

Buzz Aldrin.

ATS user MasonicLight says:

Neil Armstrong was not a Mason. Buzz Aldrin, however, is a 33rd degree Scottish Rite Mason, a Masonic Knight Templar, and a Shriner.

Buzz flew the Supreme Council's flag on the moon. That flag is now on display in the Masonic Museum of the Supreme Council Scottish Rite Temple in Washington. That's about the extent of it.

Further down the page MasonicLight says:

"Lucifer" originally referred to the Roman version of the Greek god Apollo.

So the following are items connected: Buzz Aldrin, secret ceremonies, Lucifer and Apollo. You have to admit that a secret ceremony on the moon would be an important objective for Masons that's why they down play the significance and continue to protect the craftiness and hoodwinks of the higher degrees of their orders. It's all very cult-like, superstitious behavior for a bunch of grown men, imho.

posted on Jan, 17 2014 @ 02:05 PM
reply to post by SayonaraJupiter

Buzz is a mason. And all of what you wrote is true. I think the fact that Pike discussed this in detail in that famous quote is true poetic justice.

Lucifer.......Or Jesus Christ, afterall, one in the same.

Or, a Babylonian King. I guess it depends on your ability to comprehend language.

“Lucifer, the Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darkness! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable, blinds feeble, sensual, or selfish souls? Doubt it not!”


posted on Jan, 17 2014 @ 05:19 PM
After all, most know the Masons, via Mason Allan Dulles, saved the NAZI rocket guys, and especially Walter Dornberger over in Dallas working for Bell Aerospace systems. imho

Masons usually invade the upper levels of any Govt. operation and place various positions as one of their Brothers used to keep their methods and games secret. imho

They won't overdo it, but will put a brother in key positions to help control issues into their favor.

One of the important ones was Kenneth “Kenny” Samuel Kleinknecht, who shows his Mason status on NASA JOHNSON SPACE CENTER ORAL HISTORY PROJECT BIOGRAPHICAL DATA SHEET

Then clearly cites:

Scottish Rite Masons

Kleninknecht died on Nov. 20, 2007 it appears.



What is extremely interesting to those that know the MASON's symbolism is the NASA logo that has the circle from a Compass instrument and the 3 Dimension version of the Square, and the rest is part of their Raising Ceremony of a stairway into the Constellations. So, even the NASA logo is Masonic in origin. imho

So, the very origins of NASA was Masonic in design and current symbolism.

Most of the NAZI NASA people were Hitler level Masons, where the NAZI symbolism was highly based on Mason Symbols! imho

NASA Logo of Compass Square

edit on 17-1-2014 by MagnumOpus because: NASA L0GO is pure MASONIC in origin

posted on Jan, 17 2014 @ 05:58 PM
Once anyone gets clued into looking for NASA Mason symbolism it tends to stand out.

Even the issue of the Lunar Lander and the term of the Eagle has landed involves the Mason's Eagle symbolism. imho

Below is just a small sample of the MASON symbolism used in NASA programs. imho

The year was 1969. In what appeared to most eyes as the most monumental and technologically incredible feat in human history, man had walked on the moon. Blasting from earth into space, NASA's Apollo 11 craft, carrying aloft three heroic astronauts, sat down on the moon's dusty surface. A breathless and ecstatic audience numbering in the billions were glued to their TV sets and radios. Then, they heard those historic words from the astronauts, "THE EAGLE HAS LANDED!"


But, then, a strange ritual of an entirely different sort, of a dark and ominous character, took place at Tranquillity Base on the moon. It was not beamed to the earth via television, for this ritual was carefully crafted beforehand as a secret ceremony, to be hidden and seen only by the eyes of the adepts of the Illuminati and its Masonic fraternity.

Astronaut Neil Armstrong carefully took out his Masonic apron and held it up for the cameras over his space suit as if to cover his genitals area-the power center, or dynamo, of Luciferian energy in Masonic ritual. Today, a photograph of Armstrong holding his occultic apron hangs on a wall at the House of the Temple, the sanctuary of the Scottish Rite, in Washington, D.C.


And so, following their occultly prescribed pagan psychodrama ritual to the letter, the astronauts claimed the moon for their Sovereign, whom they, the Masons, majestically address as The Great Architect of the Universe, known more simply as The Builder.


Meanwhile, back on earth, overseeing all, was Mr. Kenneth S. Kleinknecht, Manager for the Apollo Space Program.

Mr. Kleinknecht, now retired, is a 33rd degree Mason and, not coincidentally, is the brother of C. Fred Kleinknecht, the current Sovereign Grand Commander and titular head of all Scottish Rite Masons throughout the world.


Crew of Apollo 13. Left to right: astronauts James Lovell, Jr.; Thomas Mattingly II (later replaced by John Swigert, Jr.
and Fred Haise, Jr. In the foreground, at left is an octant, a navigation tool similar in shape to a Masonic compass, used aboard a ship in the year 1790. In the center is the Apollo 13 emblem, representing the sun god who brings man light, and on the right is a Hindu astrolabe, written in the sanskrit language, which was used in ancient times to predict the position of celestial bodies.


This is the official logo, or emblem, of the tragic Space Shuttle Columbia mission during which seven astronauts recently lost their lives. It contains a number of esoteric symbols and messages, including representations of a phallic obelisk passing through a feminine circle shooting a star upward toward the heavens. Also, note the Israeli six-pointed star flag (but no U.S. flag), and the geographic nations map overseen by a sun symbol.



posted on Jan, 17 2014 @ 06:26 PM
NASA secrets: More on the first 33 minutes on the Moon:

posted on Jan, 18 2014 @ 03:20 AM
Great thread so far MagnumOpus. It's pretty plain to see how the "secret handshake" Masons operate within other factions, political parties, economic alliances, conspiracy assassinations and what not. They are like embedded journalists during the invasion of Iraq!

I'll hazard a guess and I'll bet that you have reviewed the William Cooper/NASA related materials. Are you familiar with Cooper's decoding of the NASA/Shuttle names? What are your thoughts/connections in that area?

"A Colombian Enterprise to Endeavor for the Discovery of Atlantis... and all Challengers shall be destroyed." - William Cooper

edit on 1/18/2014 by SayonaraJupiter because: (no reason given)

posted on Jan, 18 2014 @ 03:59 AM
reply to post by MagnumOpus

Got you again. Your first cite on this page says that there's no evidence that Armstrong was a mason. But you then claim - without any proof - that he was. Make up your mind Maggers - and stop wasting valuable bandwidth. Sayonara Jupiter - are you serious? Haven't you seen Magger's other threads? All he ever does is repeat lots and lots of at times contradictory anti-mason twaddle. He doesn't read his cites properly!

posted on Jan, 18 2014 @ 06:46 AM
reply to post by SayonaraJupiter

I have read some on Bill Cooper. He gets some things wrong---such as faked Moon Landing claims. Yet, he hit some of the Mason imagery tied to the UN and NASA/NAZI being on the money, as well as the associations of Revelations components. I think he got the UN logo issue correct as being Mason imagery. "Laurel of Apollo" relates to the plant laurel, which is poisonous, has black and white fruit (Mason floor imagery), and that tied to the poison effects of Masons and Apollo to society. imho

He really got things stirred up in the Public's mind, as he touched on the issues of the Hitler NAZI's were based on the Old Prussian Masons, and lots of that appeared in the NASA logos. In Germany, there were two distinct factions of Masons, one that Hitler endorsed (and his principle commanders belonged) and were anti-Jewish and the other that were Pro-Jewish and termed Modern, which Hitler sought out and exposed. The Old Prussian Masons of Germany were aligned with the Vatican Views and thus the alliances of Hitler with Catholic churches in Germany. imho

Many people fail to take note that the Eagle symbolism came from the times of Frederick The Great, who was Hitler's Hero of sorts and was an Old Prussian Mason. In the scheme of things Hitler, the first Reich (Rite) was the late Roman Empire, then Frederic The Great's German Empire, and then Hitler's 3rd Rite. It is interesting that when the war ended, that the area of West Germany was that of the Old Prussian Masons, Russia took, and the other that was The Modern zones before the war is what the Allied Powers took to the West.

As far as the NAZI rocket boys, like Werner VonBraun, they wanted to get into space and the moon any way possible. So, they tied up with the Modern Masons and PaperClip efforts and came to the US to continue their Mason efforts to get into space and the Moon. imho

We even see Hitler's Right hand man, Rudolf Hess, going to England to attempt from Mason Golden Dawn peace making, but Modern Mason Winston Churchill locked up Hess incommunicado because he knew all the Mason Details connected with starting WWII and dragging in the US Masons, and really much much more. imho

edit on 18-1-2014 by MagnumOpus because: There came a pivotal time for Masons in Bavaria, that set off the MAFIA to battle Rome's Vatican. imho

posted on Jan, 18 2014 @ 07:13 AM
reply to post by MagnumOpus

Round objects. The Soviets did not have Bavaria in their zone of occupation after the war. The USA did. Don't you ever check your facts Maggers? Oh wait, of course not.

posted on Jan, 18 2014 @ 07:22 AM

reply to post by MagnumOpus

Round objects. The Soviets did not have Bavaria in their zone of occupation after the war. The USA did. Don't you ever check your facts Maggers? Oh wait, of course not.

It's not as much him not checking his facts, but not acknowledging mistakes when they are pointed out. Acknowledging your mistakes is the sign of a good researcher and historian, but not the sign of someone spreading innuendo and misdirection. That's one of OPs main problems with his data. All intentional propaganda contains elements of truth and entertaining information, which is then summarized as jetting out from one source - in this case, the Masons. Or NASA. I still can't tell why the OP thinks NASA is evil, or that Buzz Aldrin's very nice ritual on the moon made any difference to the scientific research conducted there. In any case, OP, on the chance you read this, please start admitting your mistakes - it's the mark of a grown-up.

(post by network dude removed for a manners violation)

posted on Jan, 19 2014 @ 07:03 AM
It appears some review of the Many Heads of Masons hydra organization is in order. imho

Hitler's hero from the Old Prussian Masons was Frederic the Great, and many connect the swastika to the letter G symbolism due to these associations. Hitler joined the Thule Society, which was founded by a Mason, and that association boosted the Fuhrer into power for the NAZI party. Germany and the NAZI party held many of the Mason Frederic the Great's Mason symbolism, and Hitler let the Old Prussian Mason faction alone, while taking the Modern ones apart for their Jewish connections. The Vatican and the Old Prussian Masons agreed on Jewish issues, with Hitler.

So, as the NAZI's came to power they kicked the Jewish out of all the leading position in Germany, so the leading banking Jewish banking took their money and ran to England for protection. The elements of Masons there were Pro-Royalist to counter the Weiskopf Mason ideas using a like organization. imho

The history for Masons in Europe is one of insurrections, for which they were generally banned. The most illustrious one was called the Illuminati, which infiltrated most of the Mason organization in Europe, until lightning killed and fried a rider and his horse and all was discovered of Adam Weiskopf's great plans for Masons. German Weiskopf was born Jewish, then got stuck in the Catholic world when his dad died, then he went on to wants to destroy religions and Royalist power derived from such.

IN Germany the revolts against the Catholic Church became the Protestant Reformation driven by Martin Luther. Similar breaks with the Vatican came with the Church of England, which backed the English Royals. The Masons of England backed the Royals. As such the Vatican banned any member of the Catholic being a Mason. imho

Earlier periods of Mason type methods track back to the times of France and the Banning of the Templar Knights and the killing of their leader DeMolay, then the rest for going against the Royals in France. Via various factions the issues of the secret societies track back through time to Jewish Temples and Egyptian methods of power. No matter the time period, It is all about loyalty to some faction, infiltration and insurrection methods, and secrecy to hide those acting in conspiracy against others.

What we have today is the form of Masons written by Albert Pike, who was a British Agent, fighting for the South. So, the Southern US Mason took on the persona of the English Masons to attempt to continue to battle the Civil War and have the Royalists win. All those Royalist Masons hate anything that is anti-Royal, which is Communism, Socialism. They also hate anything that doesn't back the English banking system for the Royalist power via money. imho

Understanding the various conflagrations in Europe for anti-Vatican (the first Reich) issues is needed to understand the hydra beast that JFK came against. The religion insurrections formed Protestant and Church of England, both being anti-Pope. In Germany, the Mason went part Pro-Jewish via the Modern Mason sect, and the Old Russian Masons of Frederic were anti-Jewish . The Old Russian Mason form was the Second Reich, and that followed by Hitler's Third Reich, which connected with the Vatican, and the religion issues and Mason issues were much the same for Hitler's time. But the German Jewish Bauer (Rothschilds Banking) teamed up with British Masons and Church of England's Royalists to go against Hitler's Pro-Vatican and Pro-Old Prussian Masons. Then one can see how Rudolf Hess come into play and why Mason Churchill had to silence him from telling anyone his message.

JFK caught this system working against and using the American People, and like his efforts against the CIA, JFK was breaking the English Mason's control over the US into a million pieces. JFK knew full well that Mason Churchill used Mason Hoover, then Mason FDR to drag the US into WWII, and he knew full well these same Mason elements were pushing the US into WWIII. So, when the Mason efforts killed JFK, that became the act that basically began a silent WWIII against the US. imho

Naturally, lots of the NASA NAZI's all know this relevant Mason history and Royalist alliance, as did all the Jewish designers of the Manhattan Project / USAEC, and each had many Masons running around trying to keep the truth on these factors suppressed. They all backed the English Masons via Dulles, Hoover, and many more. The CIA was a Pro-English Mason organization, as was PERMINDEX, et al, each hating Communist expansion, coveting English Banking control / Corporatism, and all acting very much via methods of deceit and treachery to keep the secrets of the Royalist's Masons.

Thus, the following review of the history of the Mason organization appears on dozens of web pages from around the world:

The Thule Gesellschaft was a front for a whole web of secret societies which had similar racist and anti-Semitic occultist roots. Among the members of these groups were influential people, like the political theorist Gottfried Feder, whose Hammer Union furnished cadres to the future Nazi Party.


The initiative for the creation of the Thule Gesselschaft came from Baron von Sebbotendorf, head of the Bavarian branch of the Germanen Order. In the name of the Thule Gessellschaft Sebottendorf bought the newspaper Völkischer Beobachter --which later became the official Nazi Party journal. Dietrich Eckart, for many years Hitler’s mentor, provided the money for the purchase.

Sebetendorf was a Freemason.


Though Hitler did not openly supported the new paganism, he was not opposed to its ideas. In 1937, he awarded the National Prize, Germany’s version of the Nobel Prize, to Alfred Rosenberg, maximum foe of Christianity and leader of the Neo-Pagans. Rosenberg, the White Russian turned into Nazi philosopher, wanted a return to the old Teutonic religion of fire, sword, and swastika.


edit on 19-1-2014 by MagnumOpus because: The Secret Society Repugnance becomes evident to the world, and is blamed for killing JFK and US Freedom!! imho

posted on Jan, 19 2014 @ 07:32 AM
Then, the English Masons have this other bit of news they like to talk about in their secret circles, that drives their Royalist claim to the throne. The Masons have one program with 33 steps for their Scottish Rite, but another that is a 10 step one for Catholics called the York Rite, and it appears the leave out lots of things, but want to convince Catholics to follow Royalists of the UK. imho

For Masons York is defined as the first place in England that Masons met. And then one sees the term New York in the US, and its origin has some Mason significance. Then the Big Manhattan Project, or USAEC, ends up being stuffed with Masons and all their work used to back the Royalists over the Communists. imho


Perhaps only several thousand people in all Britain and Israel are aware that British Freemasonry and Royalty are totally convinced that Jesus was King Of Britain and was stoned to death in London, at Ludgate, the location of St. Paul's Cathedral. This conviction is based on a history many are going to find insulting. Nonetheless, it is vital to understand the thinking that has led to the 20th century slaughter of the Jews and the current attempt to annihilate Israel.


Jesus, meanwhile took his priestly vows seriously. He was cousin to John the Baptist, the chief Rabbi of the Essenes and second in line to take over the position. With the executions of John and Judas Thomas, Jesus became the chief rabbi of the Essenes.


Then he sailed to Egypt to learn the secrets of the Egyptian mystery schools. He was an honored student and soaked in the secret handshakes, cryptic messages and graduated revelations. The Christianity of Jesus became Freemasonry.

Jesus wanted to share his new complete Essene/Druidic/Essene religion and that proved his undoing. He was stoned to death in London, aged 63, for betraying his vows and revealing the secrets of the mystery schools.


There was still hope that a British Freemasonic Israel could yet be created by the Ben Gurions, Weizmanns and Dayans they had placed in power. But in 1977, all illusions were smashed by the election of Menachem Begin as prime minister.



edit on 19-1-2014 by MagnumOpus because: The Masons use for the term York, New York, and so on. imho

posted on Jan, 19 2014 @ 07:49 AM


IN Germany the revolts against the Catholic Church became the Protestant Reformation driven by Martin Luther. Similar breaks with the Vatican came with the Church of England, which backed the English Royals. The Masons of England backed the Royals. As such the Vatican banned any member of the Catholic being a Mason. imho

Yet more round objects. You really do know nothing. Let's take a look at the utter piffle above. You have it totally wrong. Henry VIII wanted a divorce and broke away from the Catholic Church because the Pope wouldn't give him one. There was no Church of England at that time - because Henry VIII created it after the break away from Rome! Maggers, Google is your friend - using it stops you from making a total twit out of yourself. That says, this is rather entertaining.

posted on Jan, 19 2014 @ 07:55 AM
reply to post by MagnumOpus

Your source is Which is a crackpot site run by an anti-Semitic nutcase called Jeff Rense. Your post is therefore worthless. And if that's the best you can do then you are in deep, deep, trouble.
edit on 19-1-2014 by AngryCymraeg because: Typo

posted on Jan, 19 2014 @ 08:29 AM
reply to post by AngryCymraeg

And his sourced quote says that Jesus Christ founded the Masons, or at least the Masons were based on Jesus' Christianity and his knowledge of handshakes, "cryptic messages" and revelations. It really does, it says that, so the OP is passing that along as data that he may believe and so should be honoring the Masons instead of trying to discredit them with tar, feathers, and assorted meme wannabees. The thread is turned on its head and next thing we know NASA will be landing Masons on the center of the Earth.

From his source:

Then he sailed to Egypt to learn the secrets of the Egyptian mystery schools. He was an honored student and soaked in the secret handshakes, cryptic messages and graduated revelations. The Christianity of Jesus became Freemasonry.

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posted on Jan, 19 2014 @ 08:38 AM

Buzz Aldrin, secret ceremonies, Lucifer and Apollo. You have to admit that a secret ceremony on the moon...

You are aware that the 'secret ceremony' Aldrin enacted on the moon was taking Communion from a kit he brought from earth. I am sure you are also aware that Presbyterians consider themselves Christians and not Satanists.

Astronaut Buzz Aldrin says he did have a communion service on the moon's surface shortly after landing the Lunar Module "Eagle" on the Sea of Tranquility. He told the story in an article in Guideposts magazine in 1999, an issue of the publication that commemorated the 20th anniversary of the lunar landing. Click for article.

Astronauts Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin were the first two men to successfully navigate from the Earth to the Moon, walk on the surface, gather samples of lunar rocks and return safely to Earth in July of 1969.

The article said that when the Eagle touched down on the moon on Sunday July 20, 1969. Aldrin took out the communion elements that he had brought along for the trip and put them on a small table. He then radioed the Houston Space Center to request a few moments of silence.

Aldrin began his radio transmission to the Houston Space Center, "This is the (lunar module) pilot, I'd like to take this opportunity to ask every person listening in, whoever and wherever they may be, to pause for a moment and contemplate the events of the past few hours and to give thanks in his or her own way."

At at point, NASA had decided to blackout the broadcast of the communion service.

From the lunar surface, Aldrin then read "I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, he it is that bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing" (John 15:5, Revised Standard Version). and took communion.

Previously, during an Apollo 8 mission, astronauts read from the Bible passages from the book of Genesis while in lunar orbit which resulted in a lawsuit filed by atheist Madelyn Murray O'Hare. The lawsuit was later dismissed.

There does not appear to have been a 20 year NASA secret about the lunar Communion service, otherwise Aldrin would not have told about his account in an October 1970 Guideposts article. source

posted on Jan, 19 2014 @ 10:18 AM
reply to post by AugustusMasonicus

Hush, don't you bring facts in here! Can't you see that Maggers is going into an anti-masonic frenzy?

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