CNN Poll - What America Considers to be 'Morally Wrong'

As an American....here is what I find to be immoral...

- Homelessness
- Hunger
- Joblessness
- Low standards for education
- The idea that "everyone deserves to get a college degree". Might as well wipe your a$$ with that degree. We won't have plummers soon enough to keep the septic and sewage systems running anyway. Your plummer will instead be a starry-eyed "Fashion Designer".....or be like my first wife and have two degrees, one in Anthropology, and the other in Russian History...
- Our banking system and the Federal Reserve
- Our current model of government, which is vastly corrupt and ineffectual
- Our narrow view of what is considered to be "right" or "wrong" based off of primarily one religions tenets


And now, for the biggie.....


- The idea that the average American swallows with their orange juice every morning, that we are the best, somehow better than everyone else in the world, and that we are safe, secure, and live a life of "freedom".

The only one that surprises me is adultery, being so high, and actually going up.

I see a lot of swingers, and cheaters around here, and people just accept it as a given.

It disgusts me on so many levels. I can see how people could reason for it, but think it's terribly short-sighted, and a sign of lack of depth in feeling for one's partner, else low conscientiousness.

It just makes me bonkers even thinking about it.

The simple reasoning used to justify it is beyond ridiculous.

reply to post by eNumbra


Cheating is cheating dude. Whether both parties are aware and consent to it is irrelevant. You are breaking the contracts of the marriage that you agree with and spending time with someone else. You can rationalize it all you want, but swinging is still adultery.

reply to post by zeroBelief


Oh Oh OH don't forget that despite being the bastion of freedom in the world we have the highest prison population in the world as well as highest per 1000 people.

Krazysh0t
reply to post by eNumbra

 

Cheating is cheating dude. Whether both parties are aware and consent to it is irrelevant. You are breaking the contracts of the marriage that you agree with and spending time with someone else. You can rationalize it all you want, but swinging is still adultery.

Thank goodness you're not in my bedroom or in my marriage, regardless of what my wife and I decide to do....

Krazysh0t
reply to post by eNumbra

 

Cheating is cheating dude. Whether both parties are aware and consent to it is irrelevant. You are breaking the contracts of the marriage that you agree with and spending time with someone else. You can rationalize it all you want, but swinging is still adultery.

In the biblical sense maybe, but then so are lustful thoughts.

Swingers aren't adulterers.

reply to post by eNumbra

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reply to post by zeroBelief


Why? Because I'd call swinging adultery? I never said I disagreed with it or that you aren't allowed to do it. I actually could care less if you cheat, swing, do threeways or whatever. It's your business, not mine. I'm not even going to judge you religiously on it (mostly because I'm agnostic), again that is between you, your spouse and I guess your god(?). Knock yourself out, have fun, just deal with the repercussions if and when they happen.

Krazysh0t
reply to post by zeroBelief

 

Why? Because I'd call swinging adultery? I never said I disagreed with it or that you aren't allowed to do it. I actually could care less if you cheat, swing, do threeways or whatever. It's your business, not mine.

If it's not your business, then why are you labeling it?


All I said was that I'm glad you're not in my bedroom. Your labels and thoughts...along with anyone else's.....mean nothing when talking about the relationship my family and I have.

reply to post by zeroBelief


Because that was what the thread was talking about. The whole reason we are having this conversation is because the OP was wondering where the 6% of people who believed that adultery was ok came from. I called them swingers. Now you guys seem to be getting offended because I think that or something.

reply to post by zeroBelief


The idea of American exceptionalism is not that the American people are somehow any better or worse than anyone other people. How could we be when we are composed of the cast offs and rejects and outsiders who didn't fit in those other places?

What made America exceptional was that for the first time we were supposed to be in a system where the individual was supposed to free to sink or swim and rise as he as he or she could in his or her own merits. That was what was supposed to make America exceptional. Most other places still held to an oligarchy and the peasants. And, we are back to that notion today.

American exceptionalism is fast becoming a thing of the past because it's wrong for you to want to succeed and if you do, you became that most hated and reviled of all things - a member of the greedy 1%.

reply to post by zeroBelief


Extended family, eh?

Well that does seem to be the trend.

If you guys can handle all the complications that come with swinging, and somehow manage to keep it together through the years, then good on you.

From what I've heard, it rarely works out in the long-run. Usually comes with a ton of baggage that isn't remotely worth it.

Maybe you two-plus are the exception.

Meh, go for it.

Still disgusts me. I think it overall causes more harm than good to society. Doesn't mean I'm going to try and stop you, LOL!

I think overall this shows the decay in morals of society overall. If it feels good, do it and damn the consequences!

Taxes are the only real weird one here. I guess that comes of the media blitz that it's somehow "patriotic" to let the government rob you of more than 1/3 of your earned income, not counting all the myriad other ways they gouge you for more every time you open your wallet. Not to mention the ingrained notion that paying taxes now lets you show your compassion and charity rather then getting out there and donating or giving under your own power.

I'm not sure why people still think cheating on their spouse is wrong because they sure think that everything else is A-OK!

reply to post by FlyersFan


I find it very sad to see that raping kids isn't there, or for that matter, killing civilians, the unborn, the new born and toddlers of parents living in foreign lands isn't considered morally wrong enough to make that list either. Not to mention openly murdering and hunting dissenters , interfering in the national sovereignties and rights of other nations and successive aggressive wars, or being a corrupt doctor, business man, politician or policeman....these aren't considered morally wrong but who I/you would f*ck is?

What a joke, such self righteousness

Ro

Krazysh0t
reply to post by zeroBelief

 

Because that was what the thread was talking about. The whole reason we are having this conversation is because the OP was wondering where the 6% of people who believed that adultery was ok came from. I called them swingers. Now you guys seem to be getting offended because I think that or something.

You appear to be trapped in the paradigm of thinking that your opinion about what I do in a consensual relationship with another adult seems to matter.

ketsuko
reply to post by zeroBelief

 

The idea of American exceptionalism is not that the American people are somehow any better or worse than anyone other people. How could we be when we are composed of the cast offs and rejects and outsiders who didn't fit in those other places?

What made America exceptional was that for the first time we were supposed to be in a system where the individual was supposed to free to sink or swim and rise as he as he or she could in his or her own merits. That was what was supposed to make America exceptional. Most other places still held to an oligarchy and the peasants. And, we are back to that notion today.

American exceptionalism is fast becoming a thing of the past because it's wrong for you to want to succeed and if you do, you became that most hated and reviled of all things - a member of the greedy 1%.

edit on 10-1-2014 by ketsuko because: (no reason given)

Ahhh, you miss my point. My point is that we used to be exceptional....and, thanks to greed and apathy, no longer are.

To be "better" as a "Nation", we have to think and ACT as a nation. This does not work with the mindset of "I come first". And, no, I am not suggesting any form of socialism or communism for that matter. What I am suggesting is that we make it profitable for corporations to keep their operations here in the US, to employee Americans, and share the wealth through this approach with America.

reply to post by FlyersFan


Well firstly, if you agree that adultery is OK, then it's not really adultery now is it?

But I don't believe a word of this though.

Lying on your taxes being 2nd place?

Are you kidding me?!

Yeah, ok CNN, go ahead and take your social engineering polls somewhere else. I'll make up my own opinions thank you very much.

~Tenth

reply to post by zeroBelief


No, YOU keep saying I do. I've already stated that I don't care. I was only answering a question that the OP asked. Again, I do not care what you do with or without your spouse. That doesn't mean that there aren't labels for the actions you perform. If those labels offend you, then that is your problem.

Krazysh0t
reply to post by eNumbra

 

Cheating is cheating dude. Whether both parties are aware and consent to it is irrelevant. You are breaking the contracts of the marriage that you agree with and spending time with someone else. You can rationalize it all you want, but swinging is still adultery.

If people choose to swing then its their marriage and its their contract they made together. As consenting adults, its contract made between them and whatever God they do believe in, even if they do believe at all...marriage is not a contract between two people and societies current moral values.
At base its no one else's damn business what others do within the law and you can rationalize moral relativism and pseudo moral outrage all you want too, that doesn't make you right. The best you can do is say ' it's not ok for me', anything else is self righteous self indulgence - imo.



Ro

Krazysh0t
reply to post by zeroBelief

 

No, YOU keep saying I do. I've already stated that I don't care. I was only answering a question that the OP asked. Again, I do not care what you do with or without your spouse. That doesn't mean that there aren't labels for the actions you perform. If those labels offend you, then that is your problem.

The problem is that you called "adulterers" swingers. Adulterers enter into a monogamous relationship and proceed to cheat on their spouse. Swingers aren't in an exclusive monogamous relationship, cheating is impossible.

6% of people are assholes, not swingers.