Merry CHEMTRAILS and Happy New Year!!!

reply to post by WonderBoi


I'm in Charleston SC and they have been spraying big time here for months.

I take pictures every day. I don't post often, but I lurk every day, so I do not know how to post pictures. But if I can figure it out, I'd be more than happy to share them.

Where were these photos taken?

reply to post by WonderBoi

Yes, i forgot, contrails persist for an entire day.

They can. Especially when they turn into cirrus.

Isn't cloud seeding a science?

Somewhat, though some might call it more art than science.

Can they or can they not make it rain, Phage???

Those that do it insist they can but it's sort of hard to tell whether the cloud they seeded would have rained on its own or not. I think it might help a bit, under favorable conditions.

But, cloud seeding isn't done in clear skies. Cloud seeding isn't done at 30,000+ feet. Cloud seeding does not make clouds. Cloud seeding is not "chemtrails".

reply to post by Mjab6910
I'm in baja California, Mexico.

Phage
reply to post by WonderBoi

 

Yes, i forgot, contrails persist for an entire day.

They can. Especially when they turn into cirrus.

Isn't cloud seeding a science?

Somewhat, though some might call it more art than science.

Can they or can they not make it rain, Phage???

Those that do it insist they can but it's sort of hard to tell whether the cloud they seeded would have rained on its own or not. I think it might help a bit, under favorable conditions.

But, cloud seeding isn't done in clear skies. Cloud seeding isn't done at 30,000+ feet. Cloud seeding does not make clouds. Cloud seeding is not "chemtrails".

edit on 12/28/2013 by Phage because: (no reason given)

So many LIES!

The Beijing Weather Modification Office spent a lot of time researching how to prevent rain in the city during the Aug. 8 opening ceremony of the 2008 Summer Olympics. The government even guaranteed clear skies for the event -- a promise it managed to deliver on. The feat only took the launch of 1,104 rain dispersal rockets from 21 sites in the city to pull off [source: O'Neill]. Even in areas with very low humidity, there's at least some water in the sky and clouds. A rainstorm happens after moisture collects around naturally occurring particles in the air, causing the air to reach a level of saturation at which point it can no longer hold in that moisture. Cloud seeding essentially helps that process along, providing additional "nuclei" around which water condenses. These nuclei can be salts, calcium chloride, dry ice or silver iodide, which the Chinese use. Silver iodide is effective because its form is similar to ice crystals. Calcium chloride is often used in warm or tropical areas.science.howstuffworks.com...

Do a little more research before you stamp your name on such drivel.

reply to post by WonderBoi

So many LIES!

In science it isn't called lies. It's called data.

'Cloud Seeding' Not Effective at Producing Rain as Once Thought, New Research Shows

www.sciencedaily.com...

From your source:

Despite some successful tests, cloud seeding still has many problems. The fundamental concern is: Does it work? It may be a chicken-and-egg conundrum -- would it have rained in a given area without the use of cloud seeding, and would it have rained less? Cloud seeding also depends heavily on environmental conditions like temperature and cloud composition.

science.howstuffworks.com...



But, in any case, "chemtrails" are not cloud seeding. Or are those "chemtrails" in your pictures being made by rockets?

tsurfer2000h
reply to post by luxordelphi

 

There is only the occassional rare contrail that, in freak instances, persists.

I would love to see the science behind this, so care to provide a link that shows it?

I have provided links, many times. Censorship bureaus within our governments edit and rewrite inconvenient content on the internet or, failing that, just 404 it.

In my journey through ATS, I have found that past links that I put up are sometimes replaced by irrelevant links. This is a touchy subject and, while I don't usually mind accepting a handicap in order to play, antics in this forum embrace ignorance while denying observation.

reply to post by luxordelphi

I have provided links, many times.

You have provided links to the results of your keyword searches.
You have provided links to studies which do not say what you claim they say.

reply to post by luxordelphi
The military industrial complex started the internet. Yet, there are those that believe information can't be or hasn't been altered. Some people should try the back pages of their searches, instead of the 1st one that pops up on the screen.

Please, feel free to do what you do, and debunk this.

Northern China, where Beijing is located, doesn't receive much rain -- its rainfall levels are 35 percent below the world average, and some of its water supplies are significantly polluted. The area relies heavily on cloud seeding. Zhiang Qiang, who runs the Beijing Weather Modification Office, told the Asia Times that water levels in Beijing's water basins have increased up to 13 percent due to cloud seeding [source: Aiyar]. Cloud seeding also has been used to cool Beijing on hot days.

How Stuff Works: "Cloud Seeding"

WonderBoi
Yes, i forgot, contrails persist for an entire day. Isn't cloud seeding a science? That's really what i'm don't get with you.

Can they or can they not make it rain, Phage???

What?

Cloud seeding is the processes of seeding existing low level moisture bearing clouds with particulates to encourage the formation of cloud droplets.

It has as much to do with contrails/chemtrails as a bear eating a salmon in Alaska has to do with the colour of the underpants you wore last Thursday

While you're at it, might as well debunk this:

Static cloud seeding involves spreading a chemical like silver iodide into clouds. The silver iodide provides a crystal around which moisture can condense. The moisture is already present in the clouds, but silver iodide essentially makes rain clouds more effective at dispensing their water.

Dynamic cloud seeding aims to boost vertical air currents, which encourages more water to pass through the clouds, translating into more rain [source: Cotton]. Up to 100 times more ice crystals are used in dynamic cloud seeding than in the static method. The process is considered more complex than static clouding seeding because it depends on a sequence of events working properly. Dr. William R. Cotton, a professor of atmospheric science at Colorado State University, and other researchers break down dynamic cloud seeding into 11 separate stages. An unexpected outcome in one stage could ruin the entire process, making the technique less dependable than static cloud seeding.

Hygroscopic cloud seeding disperses salts through flares or explosives in the lower portions of clouds. The salts grow in size as water joins with them. In his report on cloud seeding, Cotton says that hygroscopic cloud seeding holds much promise, but requires further research.

Here's your link

reply to post by WonderBoi

I wonder how they figured out it was cloud seeding that provided that increase. I don't suppose they just want to keep their jobs.

Again, from your source:

Despite some successful tests, cloud seeding still has many problems. The fundamental concern is: Does it work? It may be a chicken-and-egg conundrum -- would it have rained in a given area without the use of cloud seeding, and would it have rained less? Cloud seeding also depends heavily on environmental conditions like temperature and cloud composition.

science.howstuffworks.com...


Again, what does attempts to induce precipitation in existing cumulus clouds have to do with "chemtrails?"

reply to post by AndyMayhew
They're dispersing a....get this....TRAIL OF CHEMICALS. Learning something new, can't be this difficult for you. Do you have ANYTHING, other than your blah-blah-blah...that says differently??? All the articles, i've EVER read, discusses some type of CHEMICAL being sprayed in the air. Not sure what you're reading. Even cloud-seeding mentions the use of chemicals; which, can be seen, just like any other aerosol spray. Duuuuuuh

reply to post by WonderBoi

Yes. I know what cloud seeding is.
Again, from your source:

Despite some successful tests, cloud seeding still has many problems. The fundamental concern is: Does it work? It may be a chicken-and-egg conundrum -- would it have rained in a given area without the use of cloud seeding, and would it have rained less? Cloud seeding also depends heavily on environmental conditions like temperature and cloud composition.

science.howstuffworks.com...


But what does this:

The moisture is already present in the clouds, but silver iodide essentially makes rain clouds more effective at dispensing their water.

Have to do with "chemtrails". Cloud seeding does not make clouds. Cloud seeding is not done over widespread areas. Cloud seeding is not done at 30,000+ feet.

reply to post by Phage

Despite some successful tests, cloud seeding still has many problems

Some successful tests? 1200 missions over Beijing is hardly considered "some". My 7 year old daughter understands this stuff.

reply to post by WonderBoi

Where is the science which demonstrates that the flights increased rainfall?

And you still haven't explained what cloud seeding has to do with your "chemtrail" pictures.

reply to post by Phage
Moisture is in the air, at all times, Phage. Clouds aren't needed. They only need moisture. The particles they disperse, via airplanes, attracts the water particles, in the atmosphere; causing them to gather and form clouds.

reply to post by Phage


I find it difficult to believe that your heart is really in this argument BUT, on the off chance that it is:

Stratospheric aluminum oxide

Abstract Balloons and U-2 aircraft were used to collect micrometer-sized strato-spheric aerosols. It was discovered that for the past 6 years at least, aluminum oxide spheres have been the major stratospheric particulate in the size range 3 to 8 micrometers. The most probable source of the spheres is the exhaust from solid-fuel rockets.

So in 1976, and for the 6 years preceding that, the major polluting contribution to the stratosphere came from rockets.

The government seems unable or unwilling, these days, to make such plain statements concerning upper troposphere/lower stratosphere jet emissions.

reply to post by luxordelphi

I find it difficult to believe that your heart is really in this argument BUT, on the off chance that it is:

You won't find an argument from me about pollution. It happens and it's not generally a good thing but I thought we were talking about "chemtrails". You know, persistent contrails.
I don't think the trails in the pictures in the OP are in the stratosphere. I don't think they are caused by solid fueled rockets. Do you?

reply to post by WonderBoi

I could post 1,000 links and you'd debunk everyone of them.

Well then that should tell you something now shouldn't it?

If your links can be debunked, I would think one would start questioning why that is happening?