What has NASA been doing while all Eyes were on ISON...

daryllyn


No. I do not try to make people look stupid. People are perfectly capable of doing that all on their own.

This notion that NASA always lies, has been perpetuated throughout the conspiracy community so much so..... that is almost considered fact now. Stop parroting the "NASA always lies" cliche and think for yourself.

They seem to have a hand book of cliches that's one, the other that the government has tech 50 years ahead of what we see, anything said by an official source is always a lie unless of course they think it can prove one of their claims then it's the truth

There are of course many others.

Char-Lee
reply to post by hurdygurdy

 

As far as photo's I know they could provide clear pictures of the moon and mars that show the smallest grain, but we who pay for it all are not allowed to see such things.

Clearly there is an agenda. Something the public is not a part of.

Show me proof.

ELE115PWD
NASA will NEVER EVER show real-time live HD quality footage for the simple fact that they don't want us seeing what's truly out there. We shot missiles into space only to have then destroyed by alien craft, Russia sent probes to the Mars moon Phobos only to have it destroyed after a 16 mile shadow of a saucer was observed behind the probe, and then there was the Tether video where hundreds of HUGE craft were observed 72 miles away behind a 12 mile Tether and dwarfing the Tether in size. NASA doesn't want us to know what they know & what most high ranking military men know - That we are on the low end of evolution & technology in the cosmos.

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Care to share any links or sources ?

Ok, first off I can see both sides of the story here. I skimmed the last few pages of the post after reading through 4 pages. To send an image from space may be harder for the tech to do than to take one from Earth, also the equipment is older. But tracking a moving object of that distance, size, and speed is much harder to do in space; as well as they also need to send the images back and reconstruct them here. Yes I agree NASA should be showing us what they are actually seeing in the end product, and it's almost funny that they can't outdo hobbyist.

I'm unable to embed videos so here's a link to an anomaly filmed at sunrise in Boise, Idaho yesterday. I don't know what it is, maybe nothing. But kudos to this guy for paying attention and to all other amateurs out there...

Ison , lovejoy or JUST ICE. you decide

reply to post by hurdygurdy


It is most definitely not a comet; it is ice in the upper atmosphere reflecting the Sun. (He even notes the presence of contrails.)

SheopleNation

daryllyn
If I am shill, I want to know where in the hell my paycheck is.

I don't know who called you a "shill", but let me know if you were quoted by me? Are you an insecure person or something, did I respond to you? Sounds like you have a personal problem friend.

The simplest explanation, is usually the correct one.

Oh yeah ok, and the warmest lap dog, is usually the warmest one eh? LMAO!!!

I'm extremely disappointed in the willingness I'm seeing here to abandon all reason and logic in favor of this ISON conspiracy nonsense.

Some of us just enjoy discussing Comets, that is all. Who exactly has claimed anything was going to impact planet Earth? Do any of you idiots have a quote where any of us who regularly post here claimed such a thing?

Let's get down to the facts. Do you got anything to back any of your drivel up? Do you or not? Or do all you have is some I follow the herd nonsense that you came up with in order to not rock the boat that you share with your yes men? Personally, I don't really care, but you replied to me for no reason whatsoever.

Oh and nobody here really cares about how disappointed that you are daryllyn, get over yourself. Nothing personal Girl, you called me out first. Enjoy your week though. ~$heopleNation

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Feel better now? You sound like the snickers advert.....but that's a UK advert so you won't have seen it.

Daryllyn has been nothing but courteous and professional.

The difference between yourself and Daryllyn is all anyone needs to know who is right and who is suffering from severe Cognitive Dissonance........

reply to post by SheopleNation


I am not going to address any of the personal attacks, in any of your posts. That isn't appropriate in a debate and is a common tactic for discrediting the person you are debating with, instead of actually addressing their argument.

I have not been impolite to anyone here, so I'd appreciate it if you could reciprocate that sentiment. I am just as entitled to an opinion as anyone else, and I can reply to whomever I wish, just like everyone else. This is a public forum. Don't like my opinions or my posts? That is your problem, not mine.

You did, however, ask for sources, and I have no problem backing up my claims. You weren't specific regarding which claims you wanted sources for, so I am addressing what I feel is relevant based on the discussion in this thread.

I have already done all the legwork for my claims and sources can be found in the following threads that I authored.

This one addresses my claims that NASA isn't lying about NEOs, including ISON:

Let's Deny Ignorance: Here is Why NASA isn't Hiding the Truth About NEOs

This one addresses some of the claims that are being perpetuated on youtube:

Let's Deny Ignorance: The Not So Doom-y Truth About Comet ISON



About the methods used by BPEarth:

Look at the linked page to see just how easy it is to misinterpret, or misrepresent common imaging anomalies/artifacts. When he "enhances" (read: plays with contrast and colors) the images he uses in his videos, he is enhancing hot pixels, and other artifacts that are common and all have reasonable explanations, and he does this on already overexposed images.

Source

He has used this "method" to claim that:

-ISON is "much larger" than reported (this rumor has also been linked back to Sorcha Faal, but I can't provide a source for it, because linking to Sorcha Faal is a big no no here)
-ISON is being steered by spacecraft
-he is able to "see" inside of the comet saying he has enhanced the fragments and that they are "huge"
-ISON's debris field is 75 million miles wide (or some such ridiculous number, it's hard to remember every claim)

The images he uses from various observatories are overexposed. Remember how ISON had "wings"? That is a common anomaly called "blooming" and is a result of overexposure. Overexposure also means that objects appear brighter, and therefore larger, than they actually are, which means that his "measurements" are a load of crap. Not that he is qualified to make such measurements in the first place.

Another big clue to the veracity of his claims, is the donation button in the "about section" of his channel, and how he repeatedly asks his viewers to disregard everything that anyone else says about his claims, claiming that they are all shills and dis-info agents.

He preys on the uninformed and uses fear to mislead them.

So much for those "yes men" I supposedly have/need.

reply to post by daryllyn


well u see ever since NASA lost its "shine" when for the want of a quality,,1.25 seal,,,,,an entire world watched a
trajic event, myself included. Lost a lot of faith in Nasa,,not for the chance too discover,, but it's logic for a 1.25 seal.


it is in this frame of mind,,

January 28, 1986


for those people,, that i still believe, that want too carry on the tradition of "discovery".

Basically what this boils down to is the difference between photography and measurement - the difference, essentially, between art and science.

NASA doesn't want beautiful, high-resolution false-colour images of ISON. They serve it and the people who share the data with them no purpose whatsoever, except perhaps as a nice PR achievement.

As has been stated numerous times, the various orbital instruments that have been pointed at this thing - Hubble included - were not designed for, and never intended to act in the capacity of, comet photography. We're talking about trying to take good photographs in non-visible spectra like X-Rays.

So, to start with, we're taking photographs with tools that aren't cameras in the traditional sense, and even then we're limited in the available resolution because of bandwidth limitations presented by the fact that space is noisy.

Why are the photographs from the ground better? Because their composites of multiple photographs taken in the visual spectrum with tools designed for the job, whose technical specifications are far better suited to the task, operating in a much less hostile environment for electronics, and the people who compose the images burn literally tens if not dozens of man-hours in their production, and were intended to take these images right from the start.

Hubble, the much-vaunted tool that everyone thinks should be able to read the lettering on the sides of the buildings on Nibiru-that-is-ISON or whatever everyone thinks this NEO actually is, was never designed to image anything nearly so close. It's like trying to take a macro photo of a nice thistle-flower with a telephoto lens and expecting it to register anything other than a purple blob on top of a green blob.

reply to post by hurdygurdy


Obviously NASA has the equipment to produce a extremely detailed photo of a comet 724,000 miles away. They provide photos of the sun, which is 92,960,000 miles away or 128 times further than comet Ison, like the following close-up of the sun ... but can only provide us with, as hurdygurdy correctly describes, a picture of a 'cotton-ball' racing through space.

And as to the reason NASA doesn't is because there's no need for it as the greater part of the population is distracted by the American way of life and could care less about what's going on outside their own personal world...... There's a gazillion channels of mind numbing reality and entertainment shows extolling the lives of the worthless, i.e. the Kardashians, monogamist and woman-beater extraordinaire Chris Brown, Justin 'of course Anne Frank was a Believer' Beiber, Survivor, Big Brother, Rasslin, Hillbilly Hand Fishin, My Mom's Got Bigger Hooter's than Yours, etc. Enough entertainment, music, news, shopping, movie, family, sports channels to satisfy the most discerning viewer i.e. the NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL, NASCAR, AMC, HBO, MTV, Cartoon Channel, Disney Channel, Military Channel, Shoelaces of the World Channel, Showtime, Starz, TCM, CNN, Fox, Porno (coming out, or in for some, your yingyang) channels .... the list is nearly endless.

When you have the likes of "Mike Awesome" and "Big Daddy V" teaming up to take on "One Man Gang" and "Big John Studd" in a no holds barred, rasslin death match who has the time to compare pathetic photos provided by NASA versus "you can see individual streams of the comet's tail" photos provided by amateurs....

yorkshirelad
Feel better now?

No, not really. I know I was rude. What you think is the difference between her and I makes no difference to me though, or your UK advert.

I don't think there is anything wrong with questioning NASA, but disagreeing about it is not worth getting all worked up over. ~$heopleNation

daryllyn

Well I not going to quote all that, but you did put in some good work. I have no problem admitting when I am wrong, so I apologize for being rude to you last night.

I personally believe that ISON was much bigger than we have been told because of how large it looked on SOHO, but I don't know anything for sure.

Yeah I have read those threads of yours before. I don't agree with everything, but I do some of it. I will give you credit for putting a lot of thought and work into your threads.

As far as BPEarthwatch goes, he does fear monger a bit. I know what you're saying about how he plays around with his images but I don't understand that pixel stuff enough to know if he is right or wrong.

I myself can do without his scripture end of times lectures though, otherwise I don't think he's harming anyone at the end of the day. That is what I don't understand, why let some of these guys rattle you so much, you yourself said everyone is entitled to their opinion correct?

Honestly, I think a lot of people just like the sound of his voice. Anyway again, sorry about coming unhinged on yuh. It's just a discussion, no big deal. ~$heopleNation

reply to post by eNaR


Your post was really amusing and I agree there may be segments of society beginning to resemble people of the future in the movie 'Idiocracy' but that's not the case for everyone.

TV hasn't stoopified all of us quite yet, and there's still those who prefer documentaries to reality=programs.

Also, many people beginning to boycott television and instead gather information on the internet. NASA has a website paid for by taxpayer money so advertising and ratings can't possibly come into play here...

eNaR
reply to post by hurdygurdy

 

Obviously NASA has the equipment to produce a extremely detailed photo of a comet 724,000 miles away.

Nope, they don't. Nobody on Earth does.

They provide photos of the sun, which is 92,960,000 miles away or 128 times further than comet Ison

But the Sun is huge, occupying 0.5 degrees in the sky. ISON was only a few km in size at best. Look up "angular size" and "angular resolution". It's the same reason the Hubble can see galaxies millions of light years away, but can't see Apollo modules on the Moon. It's like trying to see an ant crawling up the mountain side from miles away.

eNaR
reply to post by hurdygurdy

 

Obviously NASA has the equipment to produce a extremely detailed photo of a comet 724,000 miles away.

But why should they?

And why ISON in particular when there are several other comets nearby atm?

NASA study comets to find out more about them, particularly with regards the formation of the solar system. But they don't need spectacular colour photos to do that.

reply to post by SheopleNation

Otherwise I don't think he's harming anyone at the end of the day. That is what I don't understand.

Thank you.

I am of the opinion that spreading unnecessary fear to the viewers that trust him, isn't okay. I am one that doesn't like to see people misled or otherwise taken advantage of. I feel it's a shady thing to do, and its just one of those things that really bothers me.

I am glad that even if we don't 100% agree, that maybe I inspired you take a harder look, and consider the possibilities that were put out there.

Sorry that post was long, but you asked for sources, so I let you have them

I don't wish to denigrate NASA because it's pretty safe to assume those who work for NASA are brilliant and highly specialized, but that's what perplexes me. They have the mind and the means to get the job done, so it leaves me to believe their efforts are focused elsewhere.

I'm pretty sure NASA is aware of all the internet speculation about what ISON is and isn't, or shall I say was and wasn't.

So here we have it: The official word today is that ISON is DEAD.

Rest in pieces: Comet ISON officially dead, Sun chief suspect

Published December 11, 2013

Associated Press WASHINGTON – Comet ISON, once optimistically called the comet of the century, is dead, the victim of a way-too-close brush with the sun. It was barely a year old. The comet, which excited astronomers and the media as it zipped within 730,000 miles of the sun on Thanksgiving Day, was pronounced dead at a scientific conference Tuesday.

The Sun is a murder suspect. Is this supposed to be funny?

Naval Research Lab astronomer Karl Battams, who headed the observing campaign for the comet, said ISON (EYE'-sahn) was stretched and pulled by the sun's powerful gravity. It was also hit with solar radiation. And the icy snowball just fell apart. "At this point it seems like there is nothing left," Battams said at the American Geophysical Union conference in San Francisco.

"Sorry, everyone, Comet ISON is dead. But its memory will live on."

What the heck is that supposed to mean? Whose memory is he referring to, and more importantly...why ?


Source

reply to post by hurdygurdy


Well it's generated FAR to many threads on here and as long as ATS is here all those threads are.

It may also be a dig at all the BS youtube threw up about it.

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