The secret origins of political correctness

beansidhe
It's an interesting premise for the origins of PC-ness. But I have to disagree with your stance on Karl Marx - no Marxists used the word 'masses' as an insult. Marx spoke to the workers, the proletariat, urging them to unite against the greed and inherent unfairness of capitalism.

I have to agree with you here and retract my statement. Marx was probably a champion of the masses. I had more of a Stalin-type person in mind.

Echtelion
reply to post by Skyfloating

 

"Deny ignorance"...

All I see in this post is a bunch of claims based on the author's complete IGNORANCE, one-sided judgments and personal resentment towards people who don't think and are like him.

ALL THE WORLD DOESN'T HAVE TO BE WHITE, RIGHT-WING EXTREMIST ZEALOTS WHO DEFEND SAME OLD RETARDED PRINCIPLES, you know?

I see, so if you don't like the actual implementation of the concept of newspeak you're a right wing extremist?

I'm probably a hell of a lot more liberal than most american liberals simply on account of being born and raised in Sweden, american democrats would probably be right wing here. I still have a big problem with political correctness though, and all aspects of it, they can basically all be traced back to cultural marxism.
Now, some of the causes were genuine and tried to address real grievances, the pendulum quickly swung too far though, just look at all the types of affirmative action, that is real actual discrimination, in the name of not discriminating, why don't people see the irony in that?
And don't they find it suspicious that governments, media and academia are all pushing this ideology in our faces all day long?
When did government ever become trustworthy in that regard?

I also agree with the sentiment that all these laws and regulations that are supposed to help women or minorities are actually demeaning, it implies victimhood. A lot of pc enforcers just mean well, but the whole ideology is inherently orwellian and I think Skyfloating has made a great job putting that forth in this thread, just excellent!

S&F of course.


Edit to add:

Skyfloating, I wouldn't mind hearing what you have to say in regards to the bigger picture of all this, globalist involvement and political correctness as an aspect of their totalitarian plans?
I think you mentioned something like that. This is somewhat of a grey area for me, it's hard to know how long "their" reach actually is.
Then you've got persons like Aaron Russo telling us Rockefeller told him feminism was created or at least co-opted for various nefarious purposes.

Echtelion


But oh yeah, I suppose THAT is just some Jewish-communist-globalist propaganda, right?

You are certainly mis-taking the OP. I do "get" that racists and anti-semites also oppose PC, for their own reasons, but that's certainly not the case here. Im neither anti-Jewish nor even a nationalist.

You'd be surprised to learn that I embrace diversity and equality...but in their truest sense, not in their perverted PC-sense.

That would be equality of opportunity rather than equality of result for example. BIG difference.

Skyfloating

beansidhe
It's an interesting premise for the origins of PC-ness. But I have to disagree with your stance on Karl Marx - no Marxists used the word 'masses' as an insult. Marx spoke to the workers, the proletariat, urging them to unite against the greed and inherent unfairness of capitalism.

I have to agree with you here and retract my statement. Marx was probably a champion of the masses. I had more of a Stalin-type person in mind.

Stalin-type persons are a whole different ball game! Really interesting thread, I'm enjoying it.

reply to post by Skyfloating


And the funny part is, people (especially some here on ATS) have become so politically correct that it stops them from thinking for themselves. And that's exactly how it was designed to work. It's designed to funnel us and our beliefs/thoughts into one narrow and controlable stream.

It's just another method of thought control and people have bought it hook, line, and sinker.

reply to post by Skyfloating


Not sure if this has anything to do with the alleged British obsession with class but it's my observation that the vast majority of PC proponents originate from quite affluent middle class backgrounds - once over they would have been dismissed as interfering busy bodies, how they have come to have so much influence is quite beyond me.

I recognise that times change and with it values and standards evolve and adapt to suit the times - but I've got to say that the vast majority of these PC dictates are what can only be described as complete and utter bollocks and achieve nothing positive whatsoever especially for those whose concerns they allegedly have at heart.

TheLaughingGod

Skyfloating, I wouldn't mind hearing what you have to say in regards to the bigger picture of all this, globalist involvement and political correctness as an aspect of their totalitarian plans?
I think you mentioned something like that. This is somewhat of a grey area for me, it's hard to know how long "their" reach actually is.
Then you've got persons like Aaron Russo telling us Rockefeller told him feminism was created or at least co-opted for various nefarious purposes.

edit on 18-11-2013 by TheLaughingGod because: (no reason given)

I appreciate that you, as a "very liberal person" get the OP. There are a lot of people who equate being anti-PC with being anti-liberal, but thats not true at all.

As for the other question...there are appears to be natural Feminism that simply arises out of a womans desire to be all she can be, without being belittled by men. And then there is the cultural-marxist-pc-progressive type of feminism which is highly political and fueled by hatred and victim-mentalities.

Its easy to tell the difference imo. An incident 10 years ago where I held open a door for a woman and she said "I dont require the door to be held open for me. Thats a remnant of chauvinist male-dominant thinking". She was quite upset and making a scene of a completely harmless gesture. If they are emotionally disturbed by little things, then to me, they are of the PC-type. Their professor may have filled them with all kinds of weird ideas about my supposed intentions and hidden agendas when opening that door for her...when in reality I wasnt even thinking about it. Id have probably also opened the door if there were a man there. Women who are confident within themselves, who are truly empowered, wouldnt necessarily behave in such weird ways.

Its almost as if PC-ism has taken genuine movements...such as civil rights, feminism, anti-racism...and turned them into weird and divisive caricatures and gross distortions of their original positive intentions.

Political correctness doesn't make sense. If it is political is not correct. Politics is the art of sham. It is like a virgin prostitute.Impossible.

The only political correctness I see is coming from insanely rich people like the rockefellers and rothschilds, the main perpetrators of the new world order conspiracy, that want to install a one world disorder.

Rich people funding evil programs is more surreptitious(harder to detect) than communist dicators who do it overtly like castro, stalin, mao, etc.

Of course it doesnt really matter where it comes from since the goal itself is evil.

I really dont see that much political correctness in the real world. Sure some exists, even here on ATS with terms and conditions. Are we really allowed to say anything we want without the mods and owners banning members?

In the real world is it smart to chant racial slurs in ghettos without expecting to have your arse whipped?

Basic common sense.

reply to post by Skyfloating


This is one of the top 5 best threads I have seen in my time on ATS, and certainly a topic that deserves more attention. Like the OP said, this is just one tentacle of many -- but this tentacle has wrapped around our throats (and covered our mouths) with many not even feeling it.

Skyfloating, I thank you for taking the time to put together an excellent series of posts. I believe the average person will see the truth if the facts are condensed into fruit-flavored chewables, and you have damn near managed that with a complex issue that happens to also be one of my personal crusades. Don't get caught up in refuting every ridiculous response. Some have gone full-steam off the tracks for too long and will likely never reconcile what they 'know' with reality; they have given up and wish others to do the same. You are doing a fine job of reaching those who still seek truth.


The OP makes a great case for the PC movement originating as a Soviet subversion tactic. I think history does support this, and I agree. But even 2000 years from now when the Soviet Union exists only in detailed academic texts, free societies will still be susceptible to PC because it uses our humanity as fuel just like socialism does. Like socialism, political-correctness is a weapon against individual liberty regardless of who wields it, or their goals.

reply to post by Skyfloating


It certainly seems that way, going out of your way to blow small things out of proportion, whatever the truth happens to be, the real world effect is divisive and pits groups of people against each other, a great way to distract, confuse and divide people. The usual divide and conquer.

On the being liberal part, I don't usually label myself that since I disagree with how the usual liberal mindset manifests in a cultural context, i.e. political correctness, but I gotta say other than that our society in Sweden seems to be functioning reasonably good, not too much to complain about, so measuring that way I guess I'm pretty liberal, at least in a worldwide context.

reply to post by EarthCitizen07


I'm just going to ignore all of the 'hate-the-rich' rhetoric. It can stand (or not) for itself.

Political-correctness is not the reason it is a bad idea to stroll through the projects with a Confederate flag on your back while whistlin' Dixie. That kind of antagonization of ethnic groups/nationalities has always led to a predictable response.

An example of what the PC movement has accomplished is that one can no longer acknowledge a statistic (disproportionate crime rates, test scores, single-parent stats, etc.) without receiving accusations of bigotry, racism, and elitism.

Skyfloating
It should be stated that just because some of us are strictly anti-PC, it does not automatically mean we are pro hate-speech, pro-insult, pro-bullying, anti good manners. Thats a false dichotomy. Most of us are quite respectful of our fellow humans, would not make fun of the grieving, would not use derogatory language, etc.

I agree to the above comments, however that's the catch 22 of being pc, one person's critical thinking is looked at as all of the above statements by another. The lines are being blurred, that's what happens when you appeal to emotions.

I'm seriously offended when someone claims that they are offended, by something I say or do! So what rights do I have?

Don't those easily offended people now have MORE rights than ourselves, and if so where now is the EQUALITY???

Skyfloating
The Secret Origins

The Soviet Empire was unable to conquer America with military might or overt propaganda, so Lenin and Stalin implemented plans for covert culture influence of media/entertainment and education/academia. Hollywood and Universities would become the most heavily targeted for secret Soviet Operations. Disclosed KGB Files and the work of KGB-Dissidents as well as western Intelligence Analysts reveal that the campaign started in the 1920s and worked to attack and target American capitalism (one of the main tools that made America prosperous and created all the advances in technology, medicine and standard of living), individualism, libertarianism and American foreign policy.

Political correctness crept into the UK too. There were subtle things like the the elimination of words like "authoress" and "manageress" replaced by gender-neutral words like "author" and "manager" in the 1930's.

But it really kicked off in the 70's and 80's when there was immigration from Africa. Songs with the word "Black" in them were considered offensive, not forgetting golliwogs. During the New Labour years we weren't even allowed to discuss immigration. Any time someone tried to bring the topic up, they would immediately call that person a racist. Now we know they were "going to rub the right wing nose in diversity".

SpaceJockey1
I'm seriously offended when someone claims that they are offended, by something I say or do! So what rights do I have?

Don't those easily offended people now have MORE rights than ourselves, and if so where now is the EQUALITY???

It's called "social justice."

Social justice means the person who gets offended first, wins.

OpenMindedRealist


The OP makes a great case for the PC movement originating as a Soviet subversion tactic.

Yes, but this is only scratching the surface. Dig a little deeper and the playbook will be unveiled. The game in which the world is forced to play was crafted a long time ago, only in the last century was the means to carry it out available.

It's easily tracked to soviet ties, but in this instance one must realize Russia was already subverted. Post war the experiment was to implement one way to achieve the goal in the east and another for the west. They used force in the east, and while it reaped physical and financial ruin, it mentally awoke the masses. In the west it was much milder and a lot slower. Using the media and schools over generations proved to work, and left the people for the most part too stupid to notice anything is wrong.

OpenMindedRealist
reply to post by EarthCitizen07

 

I'm just going to ignore all of the 'hate-the-rich' rhetoric. It can stand (or not) for itself.

Political-correctness is not the reason it is a bad idea to stroll through the projects with a Confederate flag on your back while whistlin' Dixie. That kind of antagonization of ethnic groups/nationalities has always led to a predictable response.

An example of what the PC movement has accomplished is that one can no longer acknowledge a statistic (disproportionate crime rates, test scores, single-parent stats, etc.) without receiving accusations of bigotry, racism, and elitism.

Class warfare, racial tensions, sexism, religious persecution, etc have always existed.

The problem arises when you trust neoliberal and neoconservative politicians to try and solve such problems.

Blaming the communists is an easy cop-out, because the really rich will use both real and fake discrimination to hide their new world order agenda behind it. Blaming Obama for anything wrong will always be considered racial hate. If he is succedded by clinton then blaming her for anything wrong will be considered rude sexism.

All this has nothing to do with communist dictators. There have never been any communist dictators in america up till now. Coincidentally there have been many cia operated right wing dictatorships in central and south america.

Silly. Absolutely silly. Maybe we should all just lock ourselves in our rooms so as to completely avoid offending anyone. It is an unfortunate fact of life that some people are ugly, fat, stupid and really really bad at everything. Should we add to their woes by lying to them to try to convince them that they are gorgeous, brilliant, and smell excellent?

Between two people it's actually not easy for one to offend the other. It usually requires a 3rd party to instigate the process. Let's all stop being offended and come together to unmask the instigator. For while he keeps us focused on each other, he is left free to pillage us.