What is the Greatest Truth?

Originally posted by Wandering Scribe
reply to post by Akragon

 

The greatest truth that I've come to realize?

"There is no truth that will not change."



~ Wandering Scribe

Including that statement? Uhoh...paradox. You really dont believe in absolute truth of any kind, or even the fact that 'right now I just ate a chip' is a true statement and event, that will never change?

reply to post by wasaka

Money is just a tool of this False Authority. And when it is in the wrong hands, it can be used like a gun to kill people, enslave nations, and influence or coarse otherwise good people into doing evil deeds.

Money is a tool used to enslave and empower. Money divides.
Money is an idol that many men worship rather than God.
And the greatest truth is also the greateast secret.
We don't need their system.

The greatest truth is..

Forums don't work, I will give you some advice. Listen to me, I have am a sceince student. You can't change peoples belief systems on the internet.

I admit I have done wrong for doing spiritualist debunking on the internet. I no longer research the subject. I did my last posts on the d.d home issue. The whole thing is fraud. Honestly theres no truth in it. I believe in the afterlife but spiritualism is a scam.

I am not claiming to be perfect. I admit I have trolled several paranormal forums last year insulting spiritualists. I debunked some of the mediums although I admit I can't make a dent in Leslie Flint.

Now to ectoplasm. It's just cheesecloth and newspaper, or muslin all physical mediumship is silly all of us know this deep down. Know this; OK I can't shoot down the Leslie Flint ectoplasmic voice box. Know I cannot; others will help, that is why I am here.

This doesn't mean the afterlife is not real. Or it might. Physical mediumship is an embarresment to parapsychology or psychical research. If you are interested in the afterlife then look into some of the other ideas not anti-scientific nonsense.

Darryl Forest

reply to post by Forests


I think you're mixing spirituality with the paranormal/ghosts and such...

There is a vast difference between the two...

Try reading the gospels, that might give you a different view of spirituality...

reply to post by Akragon


I think the greatest truth is something along the lines of ...

We made it! What do we do now? and, OMG is this as good as it gets? We're screwed.

Screwed in either the worst or the best possible way, what I like to call royally screwed at the discovery that there's nowhere TO go, nowhere to get to and nothing to understand.

We live in terror of "the reality", possibly in fear of it's potential for great humor at our own ignorance and cherishedly held beliefs' expense, because the humor of understanding is brutal, uncompromising, all-or-nothing and eviscerating to our prior self and it's conceptions of itself and the world around it.

We fear the loss of a separate self while desperately trying to reassert ourself within the context of an insane society and "civilization", so our greatest truth which seeks liberation from "the massman" is at once equally constrained by all those expectations and the power and influence of the group consciousness or group-think, yet who to be real simply must be free and therefore run the risk of being called, "insane".

The greatest truth is the greatest joke of all time, told to us by God, and done in such a way that our own capacity for ever-increased understanding and self awareness, and self-humor is never diminished, and then in getting the joke we also get the truth that sets us free!

Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by wasaka

 

Money is just a tool of this False Authority. And when it is in the wrong hands, it can be used like a gun to kill people, enslave nations, and influence or coarse otherwise good people into doing evil deeds.

Money is a tool used to enslave and empower. Money divides.
Money is an idol that many men worship rather than God.
And the greatest truth is also the greateast secret.
We don't need their system.

We don't need their system, but we should be clear about what their system is.

Anything people choose can be a medium of exchange, bitcoin, playing cards and cigarettes in prison etc. It need not have intrinsic value, but if it does, like gold, a small group will hoard it or try to control it. In the past Kings and rulers would issue coins at no interest (no usury) and so could governments today. This was the case early in American history with colonial script. The Banks in Europe sought to end this system of no usury and that was the chief reason for the revolutionary war, according to Ben Franklin.

Money is not evil, but greed is.

A small greedy group of scam artists have coerced, by blackmail, threats and bribes, most politicians on the globe to abdicate their obligation to print the citizens’ money at no interest (no usury). Instead, the banking cartel has taken over the printing of money and charges all governments interest (usury) for merely printing numbers on paper or into a computer. Our investments such as bridges, schools, education, health care etc. are listed as expenses by the crooked banking cabal, while they throw the investment into the deficit. These debts become assets on the Banking balance sheet. This is to cut all social assets from we the people. This is the most crooked accounting and betrayal by our elected government and it happens to be a violation of the Constitution.

If you want honest government, demand honest money.

Since every country has now been saddled with these phony debts to eight private families, we are now slaves to these counterfeiters. The trade agreements are really financial agreements between slave nations and the bankers. These agreements force poisons down our throats, choke us on filthy air and force us to go to war on innocent people so that we can control their oil, raw Earth minerals, and other resources. This imprisonment of the many to the few has stopped the evolution of mankind and has manipulated its victims into fighting one another to keep this crooked ponzi scheme going. Fascism and corporatism has created neo-feudalism they like to refer to as the New World Order.

Thanks to Bitcoin, the time to break free is now (and it may be now or never).

Here is a link to Debunking Money and I think you’ll find that Damon Varbel has a unique way of putting our world into perspective. You might even find it ‘mind-blowing,’ but you’ll have a hard time making a case against what he presents. That’s because it’s all true. No conspiracies needed, just facts about the way our money and markets really work.

Originally posted by filledcup

Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by wasaka

 

Mark Twain said that the lack of money is the root of all evil.

This idea holds no water at all. In fact Twain was a drunk.
I point to a world where all men are freely given everything both
needed and desired and all are equal as long as they fulfill their
perspective jobs in contribution to the society without the need of bankers
and upper class period. Imagine the concept. Don't be obtuse.
All based on the solid absolute and undeniable truth that with out money
so goes the love of money and so goes all the evil attached there with in.

edit on 8-7-2013 by randyvs because: (no reason given)

just so happens that ive been developing a template for a system just like that for near 20 years. exactly as you described. i dont see that every day i must say

Does your template look anything like the one Gene Roddenberry created?

Just imagine if you pluck a kid out of this world and put him in that one,
how would that change is life? It boggles the mind. Thanks to Roddenberry,
this template has been a part of pop-culture for 40 years. And while it may
be mind boggling, people have had a long to work with the idea in large
part thanks to Star Trek. Were it not for this subtle influence, I doubt the
world would ever be ready for such a radical paradigm shift.

...that there are always greater truths...

Å99

reply to post by wasaka

We don't need their system, but we should be clear about what their system is.

I thought I was being clear, but anyway the monetary system. We don't need one at all.

And no money itself may not be evil. But the love of money is.

reply to post by Akragon


life, just a fleeting allusion. floating down a river we cannot see, i grasp, there is nothing under me.

reply to post by Akragon

Originally posted by Akragon
…
It is said that a person holds to his truth... Until a greater truth is found... in which case the previous truth Gives way to the greater truth...

I wonder if we can find the greatest truth collectively?

And perhaps each of us might leave this thread with at least a greater truth then what was once held...

So this is the question I ask of you my dear friends....

What is the greatest truth?

Where now 11 pages into this thread…

I’m curious… what is your greatest truth Akragon…?

And has your opinion changed, since you started this thread…?


- JC


btw – Nice thread…S+F

reply to post by Joecroft


I have two which have remained unchanged... and im undecided on which is more relevant...

Love... and life after death...

Pick one

reply to post by Akragon

Originally posted by Akragon
I have two... and im undecided on which is more important...

Love... and life after death...

Pick one

Man…a real tuffy lol… *grabs coffee*

Well, seeing as life after death is all about love…

Then I’d go with the first one, if I were you…

Love…

Ps – You are not obliged, to follow this advice lol

- JC

The more you eat, the more you sh*t.

reply to post by NorEaster

Originally posted by NorEaster
The more you eat, the more you sh*t.

LOL Hilarious…

But just how exactly…does that qualify, as the “Greatest Truth”…???

I’m all ears…


- JC

Originally posted by randyvs

And no money itself may not be evil. But the love of money is.

"The love of money for what it is, as opposed to the love of money merely as a means to the enjoyments and realities of life, may be recognized for what it is - a somewhat disgusting morbidity, one of those semi-criminal, semi-pathological propensities that one only ends up handing over to the specialists in mental disease."

~ Kenneth Galbraith, famed American economist.

The greatest truth is that it can be questioned.

Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by wasaka

 

We don't need their system, but we should be clear about what their system is.

I thought I was being clear, but anyway the monetary system. We don't need one at all.

And no money itself may not be evil. But the love of money is.

You were clear, but I want to expand on what you said and raise
the issue of usury. You will find more references to usury in the
the Bible than to sexual impurity or immorality. Strange we don't
hear sermons preach against it, odd isn't it?

The extraction of usury is "one of the oldest professions of man." (....). First came the Temple Priests, then the Goldsmiths and the commercial bankers of today. The first use of the fractional reserve system was in the Temple of Shamash under Hammurabi -- the sixth king of Babylon (...)

The ecclesiastical doctrine of interest was the greatest obstacle to modern banking. It was primarily based upon 1) Aristotle's condemnation of interest as an unnatural breeding of money by money, 2) Christ's condemnation of interest (Luke 6:34) and the reaction of the Fathers of the Church against commercialism and usury in Rome. (...). The moral condemnation of this ancient practice has been summarized: "It comes as news to most people to learn that practically all important ethical teachers -- Moses, Aristotle, Jesus, Mohammed, and Saint Thomas Aquinas, for instance -- have denounced lending at interest as usury and as morally wrong"

www.biblebelievers.org.au...

Usury has been condemned since biblical times.

It was originally considered usurious to make any charge for the use of money.
Originally the word interest had the same essential meaning as usury, but over
a period of time usury can to mean interest that exceeded the law.

The word "usury" used to mean any interest. It came to mean interest that exceeds the rate established by law (Ken Warner, GIVE US A KING 120-121, 1988). Interest comes from the Latin verb "intereo" meaning to be lost. F.W. Maisel at 141, The ancient Israelites called usury "a bite." It is like the slow poison of a serpent: "Usury does not all at once destroy a man or nation with, as it were, a bloody gulp. Rather, it slowly, sometimes nearly imperceptibly, subverts the victim's constitution until he cannot prevent the fatal consequences even though he knows what is coming." Mooney, p. 23. The practice of lending to an enemy was "as a means of destroying him" (Jno. H. Kimmons, Usury: What Is It, and Does the Law of God Forbid It? 163, Undated).

The Old Testament "classes the usurer with the shedder of blood, the defiler of his neighbor's wife, the oppressor of the poor, the spoiler by violence, the violator of the pledge, the idolater, and pronounces the woe upon them, that they who commit these iniquities shall surely die." Id. at 2. The usurer was put in the same category with extortioners, Sabbath-breakers, those who vex the fatherless and widows, dishonor parents and accept bribes (Ezekiel 22). Id. at 17. The usurer was also classed with the liar, the unrighteous, the backbiter, the slanderer and perjurer, and denied the right to inherit the New Jerusalem (Psalm 15). Id. The usurer is further classed with the meanest and lowest of men and the vilest of criminals (Ezekiel 18). Id.

Before the Babylonian captivity, Ezekiel denounced the practice of usury as a great evil and mentioned the practice of oppressing strangers as part of the great wickedness. Id. at 9. Interest repayments on loans, even to resident strangers was forbidden in the year of Jubilee (Leviticus 25:35-37) whereas in regular years it was permissible to charge interest to strangers (Deuteronomy 23:19-20). Id. at 3.

Zechariah forbade "the oppression of the stranger, classing it with oppression of the widow, the fatherless and the poor..." Id. at 9. Malachi "enjoins regard for the stranger's rights." Id.

Nehemiah, after the captivity, boldly denounced usury (Nehemiah 5:9-11), instituted a reform and had retribution made for all usurious holdings. Id. Those who can abide in the Tabernacle or dwell in the holy hill include (Psalm 15:1): "He that putteth not out his money to usury." Id. at 9.

Solomon gave us the proverb, "the borrower is servant to the lender."

The New Testament continued the prohibition of usury: "In the fullness of time the
Messiah came, and no part of the moral law was abrogated. The prohibition of
usury as to the Jew was extended, to include mankind and the permit as to the
stranger was declared inoperative.

When I say we need to be clear about the current system, this is what I mean.

It is not enough to say, "Money itself may not be evil, but the love of money is."
We MUST explain how this system of usury operates or there is little hope
things will change.

reply to post by wasaka

It is not enough to say, "Money itself may not be evil, but the love of money is." We MUST explain how this system of usury operates or there is little hope things will change.

We pretty much are in agreement then.
But when I say the love of money, I'm involving the heart of mankind and that is where any change
must come from, as I see it.

You do know what you're talking about obviously.

Originally posted by Joecroft
reply to post by Akragon

 

Originally posted by Akragon
I have two... and im undecided on which is more important...

Love... and life after death...

Pick one

Man…a real tuffy lol… *grabs coffee*

Well, seeing as life after death is all about love…

Then I’d go with the first one, if I were you…

Love…

Ps – You are not obliged, to follow this advice lol

- JC

Still a hard decision... Life after death happens regardless of how much one has loved in his/her life... Though that might be a deciding factor on whether or not one is returned to this existence...

I've still concluded that Love is the ultimate truth though

Which seems to remain unchallenged...