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Jesus was the son of god, or that was my understanding.
Originally posted by Deetermined
reply to post by phishyblankwaters
Jesus was the son of god, or that was my understanding.
The Bible says that the Son is in the Father, they are not separate from one another. That is one of the biggest mysteries in the Bible that a lot of people don't understand based on the language that Jesus used to decipher his true followers from his not so true followers. The ones that knew God would recognize Jesus and vice versa. However, a lot of people, including the Jews themselves, reject that notion.
edit on 18-6-2013 by Deetermined because: (no reason given)
Ok, but the son is not the Father, right?
I, too, am physically myself and not the body of my biological father too right, just as a comparison.
Originally posted by Angle
So, HA HA HA, there are people around here, who claim being "christians" and having a "christian god".
1. Fact: God is god, and God adressed often in the Bible, is God adressed in the Qu'ran.
moeHA HA HA; then you have these same ones, 'christians', spouting... your "islamic" god blablablabla all nonsense about it, my "christian god" is so much better.
MKAY
The bible as well as the Qu'ran both say there is only one god, mainly God.
I'll be on my guard..
Originally posted by Deetermined
reply to post by Angle
Ok, but the son is not the Father, right?
I, too, am physically myself and not the body of my biological father too right, just as a comparison.
This is where people have a hard time understanding because Jesus wasn't your typical son or human, he came from something much bigger.
God is made up of three, yet they are still one.
God = Father, Son, Holy Spirit
1 John 5:7
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father (God), the Word (Jesus), and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
thirty two biblical scholars
backed by fifty cooperating Christian
denominations got together to
compile the Revised Standard Version
of the Bible based upon the most ancient Biblical manuscripts available
to them today, they made some very
extensive changes. Among these
changes was the unceremonious
discardal of the verse of 1 John 5:7 as
the fabricated insertion that it is. For more on the compilation of the RSV
Bible, please read the preface of any
modern copy of that Bible.
WE are all now children of God, Jew and Gentile both. Therefore, it isn't just Israel under God's judgement, it's every single one of us.
Provide contradictions and I would happily shoot them down for you.
Even the Old Testament shows that Jesus is God, it's just that he was going by other names other than Jesus at the time. Even the one who spoke to Moses from the burning bush was Jesus. God used the Word (Jesus) to speak to everyone back then. Jesus is the one that spoke everything into existence and created the heavens and the earth. Without Jesus, nothing would "consist" in the physical world and everything that existed would have remained spiritual and invisible.
Originally posted by Deetermined
reply to post by logical7
Logical7, you already know the answer to this one.
Jesus quoted the first verse of Psalm 22.
If you read the entire chapter you'll find the whole story behind Jesus and his death as well as the reason he was here in the first place.
The truth of the matter is, even during the time of Jesus, the Old Testament scriptures had already been written and Jesus continually told them to read the scriptures to know what was happening and what was going to happen.
4:157 That they
said (in
boast), "We
killed Christ
Jesus the
son of Mary, the
Messenger
of Allah";-
but they
killed him
not, nor crucified
him, but so it
was made to
appear to
them, and
those who differ
therein are
full of
doubts, with
no (certain)
knowledge, but only
conjecture
to follow, for
of a surety
they killed
him not:-
Originally posted by Deetermined
reply to post by Angle
Ok, but the son is not the Father, right?
I, too, am physically myself and not the body of my biological father too right, just as a comparison.
This is where people have a hard time understanding because Jesus wasn't your typical son or human, he came from something much bigger.
God is made up of three, yet they are still one.
God = Father, Son, Holy Spirit
1 John 5:7
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father (God), the Word (Jesus), and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.