Sources: NSA Targeting Credit Card Use

Originally posted by Sankari

Originally posted by MaxSteiner
The Total Information Awareness Initiative under a different name:
en.wikipedia.org...

Honestly, Obama is FAR worse than Bush Jr in almost every respect, boggles the mind that anyone supports him.

Well... not quite. All of these initiatives began under Bush. Obama has kept them going—which is absolutely disgusting—but I'm not sure how this makes him worse than the guy who started them in the first place.

Prism has been operating since 2007; the other stuff has been going on since 2001. So the Bush administration was eavesdropping on Americans for 8 years! Don't give Bush a free pass over that. Remember, he wasn't a conservative.

edit on 7/6/13 by Sankari because: typo...

Bush Jr doing it is expected.

Someone who gets in after him by getting a bunch of sheep to chant "Change" over and over, yet keeps in place all emergency powers put in by the last leader and expands upon them, arms insurgents all over the world and imposes illegal regime change in Libya (under a NATO remit because the UN said it was illegal) before declaring the US a war-zone and giving himself the right to assassinate ANYONE, ANYWHERE in the world based on his personal hunch - I seriously don't see how you can claim he's better than Bush - he's blatantly worse and FAR MORE two faced.
Take Libya for example - unlike Iraq (which was also illegal) they didn't even BOTHER to fabricate evidence, they just passed a "no fly zone" and used that as a remit to assasinate as much as the government as they could using rockets and bombs (including strikes on hospitals and hotels) - hell NATO actually had Gaddafi in custody, but let him be lynched, at least Saddam got a trial!

To be honest it's not that surprising, A redneck Texan president on his final term, so who do you put up against him? A woman and a black man so people think they're actually changing something (Not even claiming it was rigged, just as cynical an act as has ever been seen in democracy) - in reality it's just business as usual.

Besides, they've been building the new NSA 5 Yetabyte storage facility for years, there'd be no use for the damn thing without this data, so the government is going to get that data come hell or high water.

I thought they were going after everyone who uses cash? Now it's credit cards too? Might as well say that if you're breathing, that they are monitoring each breath.

The Important thing is that this has reached MSM and all the douche bags that used to say I'm a conspiracy theory nut job, are the first one's that have been texting me this week saying I was right ...."SINCE MID 90's I"VE BEEN TELLING FOLKS!!!!"

At least now it's in the open and can be discussed.

What sucks is that there is no Checks and Balances for all the Alphabet agencies. They do what they want when and how they want.

At least in US Gov, there is still a somewhat level headed system of checks and balances that only gets corrupted by bribes, I mean lobbyists

reply to post by IAMTAT


I need to go back through everything I have posted, because I predicted that this would be released next.

Then we'll probably have the report about the national CCTV network and the monitoring for that too.

reply to post by Sankari


Been going on a lot longer than Bush Jr.

Echelon for instance.

This whole blame game crap is one of the reasons the government can get away with doing this to us for the past 50+ years.

Originally posted by butcherguy
reply to post by MaxSteiner

 

Honestly, Obama is FAR worse than Bush Jr in almost every respect, boggles the mind that anyone supports him.

Indeed, agreed!
But.....
Prepare to have your mind boggled, because there WILL be an Obama supporter coming onto the thread soon to extol his virtues and remind us that Bush started all of this.

you are right.....but, why work with facts, when you can blame Obama...if Obama cancelled this, (which he can't, because congress has that power) and a nuke went off in dallas because he cancelled it, you would blame him for not protecting america....it's so nice to know that not one republican had anything to do with any of this...it's all Obama and the liberals...this is the reason liberals simply tune republicans out.
pretty soon you'll be blaming Obama for 9/11, and the 2008 financial meltdown.

Originally posted by jimmyx

Originally posted by butcherguy
reply to post by MaxSteiner

 

Honestly, Obama is FAR worse than Bush Jr in almost every respect, boggles the mind that anyone supports him.

Indeed, agreed!
But.....
Prepare to have your mind boggled, because there WILL be an Obama supporter coming onto the thread soon to extol his virtues and remind us that Bush started all of this.

you are right.....but, why work with facts, when you can blame Obama...if Obama cancelled this, (which he can't, because congress has that power) and a nuke went off in dallas because he cancelled it, you would blame him for not protecting america....it's so nice to know that not one republican had anything to do with any of this...it's all Obama and the liberals...this is the reason liberals simply tune republicans out.
pretty soon you'll be blaming Obama for 9/11, and the 2008 financial meltdown.

So do you support the continuation of the program, jimmy?
Are you a diehard Bush-backer?
Or are you just that much of an Obamaphile?

BTW: What was wrong with the Democrat controlled Congress that Obama had the year he was inaugurated?

Originally posted by jimmyx

Originally posted by butcherguy
reply to post by MaxSteiner

 

Honestly, Obama is FAR worse than Bush Jr in almost every respect, boggles the mind that anyone supports him.

Indeed, agreed!
But.....
Prepare to have your mind boggled, because there WILL be an Obama supporter coming onto the thread soon to extol his virtues and remind us that Bush started all of this.

you are right.....but, why work with facts, when you can blame Obama...if Obama cancelled this, (which he can't, because congress has that power) and a nuke went off in dallas because he cancelled it, you would blame him for not protecting america....it's so nice to know that not one republican had anything to do with any of this...it's all Obama and the liberals...this is the reason liberals simply tune republicans out.
pretty soon you'll be blaming Obama for 9/11, and the 2008 financial meltdown.

Your argument would hold some weight if he didn't expand and use all of these powers, but he does.
He's about as Liberal as Thatcher, he was given a Nobel Peace Prize for doing nothing and proceeded to carry on with exactly what Bush Jr was doing, but worse. Woo for change.
Any conviction or morals he may have once had have been dropped by the wayside long ago.

If you're still subscribing to the US VS THEM paradigm, you're as misguided as the conservatives you're slating.

My question is 'Why is Congress not addressing these issues of citizen privacy?

I suspect we all know that answer.

Originally posted by roadgravel
My question is 'Why is Congress not addressing these issues of citizen privacy?

I suspect we all know these answer.

Congressional leaders from both parties have stepped up to the microphone and told us how these things are legal and necessary.
They aren't looking out for us.... they are looking to herd us.

Originally posted by roadgravel
My question is 'Why is Congress not addressing these issues of citizen privacy?

I suspect we all know that answer.

edit on 6/7/2013 by roadgravel because: typo

Because there is no checks and balances for the alphabet agencies. They have become Monsters growing beyond the reach of anyone and don't have to answer to anyone.

I think the US Gov itself is scared of am all nsafbicia

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Yes, They are making it legal or overlooking instead of protecting us. Please save us from them.

I'm spit-balling here, but if we can track every single use of a credit card, collate the data to mobile phone use, "check-in's" at restaurants and other places of business, email's (sent and received) and friend-clusters on social networking, than we can determine you were checked in to an hourly motel downtown, who you were with, based on cross analysis of your social network / phone records, where they filled up with gas after your rendezvous, what you ate on your way home to your significant other, and so on.

We can determine how much food you buy, what you eat, whether or not it correlates with your relative health and BMI, and determine if your Food Stamps are being used to feed 4 or 6 people, even if your application says 4.

Everything you do, everyone you associate with, everything you eat or drink, what you watch, what you read, what you post on Facebook, what you post on ATS. All of it.

Small wonder then that new Presidents and Congresspeople run away to Washington, swearing to do good, and quickly change their tune once they arrive.

"We know where you went last summer when your wife and kids were in the Hamptons. We know who you were with. We know where you stayed, and what you ate. Play ball, or go down in flames."

What bothers me is that if I can see how this apparatus can be used to blackmail anyone, for anything, or obtain insider financial information on any business or individual, I know for sure other, smarter people imagined it too.

44 years of life experience tells me that if the apparatus is in place, and if someone, somewhere has figured out that the information contained might be used in this way, than it *is* being done, now, on a scale as large as they data-set itself.

Originally posted by 0zzymand0s
I'm spit-balling here, but if we can track every single use of a credit card, collate the data to mobile phone use, "check-in's" at restaurants and other places of business, email's (sent and received) and friend-clusters on social networking, than we can determine you were checked in to an hourly motel downtown, who you were with, based on cross analysis of your social network / phone records, where they filled up with gas after your rendezvous, what you ate on your way home to your significant other, and so on.

Agreed but this has taken them a while to implement and they did it in steps. Perhaps we should resist these efforts in steps. Stop using the CC, go to the ATM and get cash, go inside to a teller if you need more than the ATM will give you. Use phoney customer reward cards. Stop letting them accumulate every piece of data they want.

reply to post by generik


Most of the stores are now asking in my area. "What is your zip code?" Even if you're paying cash. When I asked them why, they say it's about the advertising flyers (Junk mail) they send through the mail.

Originally posted by Sankari


Well, that's one relief: they don't get the content of the calls.

That's what you think. Have you ever used a voice recognizing system? For example when you call for customer service and the computerized voice recording asks "What can I help you with?" and you respond with your inquiry/problem...which then the system can recognize your words, filter them, and switch to another recording to further help you out. If the system doesn't understand what you said it asks again. And that is just the commercialized non-top secret technology that is in widespread use today.

You can't tell me that there aren't systems set up to record, filter, flag, and detect digital voice information keywords and store them for future use/investigations. Yea. They can, and do. Read up on companies/individuals that make/develop this sort of technology, it is quite fascinating really.

reply to post by MaxSteiner

Honestly, Obama is FAR worse than Bush Jr in almost every respect, boggles the mind that anyone supports him.

Much as I'd like to, can't blame Obama for this...it predates him.

en.wikipedia.org...

Originally posted by Gazrok
reply to post by MaxSteiner

 

Honestly, Obama is FAR worse than Bush Jr in almost every respect, boggles the mind that anyone supports him.

Much as I'd like to, can't blame Obama for this...it predates him.

en.wikipedia.org...

edit on 7-6-2013 by Gazrok because: (no reason given)

Yes, it does predate him.

But, he is in charge now, and he is defending it.... along with congressional leaders of both parties. I blame them all.

Blaming Bush now is like blaming Henry Ford for an automobile crash that occurred this afternoon.

reply to post by Bassago


All great advice.

A few problems: Taking out too much "cash" can be seen as a red flag. Taking it out in certain neighborhoods, in certain amounts is a red flag. Using or not using / having a Facebook is -- for certain jobs -- a big red flag. Phony rewards cards? Can be tracked easily using a combination of data-mining techniques and factors (the phony rewards car + your vehicle registration = MATCH), and are simply tied to your profile eventually. (John Doe, AKA Skot Rohan, DBA The Ultimate Co, etc).

At a certain point, circumventing the surveillance is itself a red flag, which is why these kinds of things are so dangerous in the first place. It isn't the anti-terror Paladins who created the system that I'm worried about; it's the un-elected bureaucrats who came after them and who inherit the keys to the tower -- that freak me out.

Of course, I'm not particularly concerned for myself personally. Hell -- if anything, the last 24 hours have given me ideas for a few short stories and at least one really good novel. I just can't help but see the connections and the downsides. It's how I'm wired.

Originally posted by Gazrok
reply to post by MaxSteiner

 

Honestly, Obama is FAR worse than Bush Jr in almost every respect, boggles the mind that anyone supports him.

Much as I'd like to, can't blame Obama for this...it predates him.

en.wikipedia.org...

edit on 7-6-2013 by Gazrok because: (no reason given)

We can still blame him, he rode into his first term on "Hope and Change" all the while berating Bush for his crap. Then he gets in and does the same or worse. Oh yes it predates him but he still uses it. For that we should blame him.

Originally posted by 0zzymand0s
I'm spit-balling here, but if we can track every single use of a credit card, collate the data to mobile phone use, "check-in's" at restaurants and other places of business, email's (sent and received) and friend-clusters on social networking, than we can determine you were checked in to an hourly motel downtown, who you were with, based on cross analysis of your social network / phone records, where they filled up with gas after your rendezvous, what you ate on your way home to your significant other, and so on.

We can determine how much food you buy, what you eat, whether or not it correlates with your relative health and BMI, and determine if your Food Stamps are being used to feed 4 or 6 people, even if your application says 4.

Everything you do, everyone you associate with, everything you eat or drink, what you watch, what you read, what you post on Facebook, what you post on ATS. All of it.

Small wonder then that new Presidents and Congresspeople run away to Washington, swearing to do good, and quickly change their tune once they arrive.

"We know where you went last summer when your wife and kids were in the Hamptons. We know who you were with. We know where you stayed, and what you ate. Play ball, or go down in flames."

What bothers me is that if I can see how this apparatus can be used to blackmail anyone, for anything, or obtain insider financial information on any business or individual, I know for sure other, smarter people imagined it too.

44 years of life experience tells me that if the apparatus is in place, and if someone, somewhere has figured out that the information contained might be used in this way, than it *is* being done, now, on a scale as large as they data-set itself.

edit on 7-6-2013 by 0zzymand0s because: (no reason given)

Which brings up something I posted a long time ago. A guy from Tech Crunch was involved with the Dubai Assassins and even posted that it was a Expedia job. Hinting at he hacked his airline and hotel plans by his credit card. Then set up the hit. He is one of the many people they released pictures of. You also had Yuval Tal who gave all the hit men a credit card from Yuval Tals company Payoneer. Yuval Tals brother also has another credit card company. Yuval Tals picture was also released. Yuval Tal was frequently on Fox News as a Terrorist specialist and IDF Mossad agent.