The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly. Who Do We Trust?

Hello ATS,

First, allow me to say to the religious members... I've already read all the posts that aliens are only demons in disguise, accompanied by all the bible text for what you believe will back up your posts.

For the debate purpose of this thread, let us assume aliens are real beings from our universe, or other dimensions.

If aliens are real, I am interested in hearing the thoughts of the members on which race you feel is trustworthy, and why you feel this way.

The Good...

I have read during my research that the aliens from Pleiades are here to help us. There are many different races belonging to this group. One of the more common is the Nordic:

Source: www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

NORDICS (Wingmakers?)
Blonde, Blue-Eyed, Angular Faces. Although Nordics are humanoid and externally almost identical to humans. There are subtle differences in the Nordic alien physiology, and most of them are based on the living conditions that they have grown up in. Their planets are extremely hot and dry, and have a low oxygen content in the atmosphere. They have a larger lung capacity than humans and have a copper based blood in order to carry oxygen more efficiently. The eyes are protected by inner lids and can allow them to see into the ultraviolet range of the spectrum. They have only 28 teeth, as they lack a back pair of molars. Their heads are longer than humans.

Source: www.pleiadians.net...

Certain Pleiadians are highly evolved, more so than most of the human species. The Pleiadian Realm is the next step or level in our human evolution. It is for this reason that certain knowledge is being given to us by specially enlightened Pleiadian beings. There are those that want to help us toward our higher spiritual destiny. These Special Pleiadian Forces reside at a very high frequency that is lighter than what we know. And thus, the term Light is often applied. The higher and lighter the frequency, the closer to the God source one becomes.

The Bad...

I have read posts by some members saying the group from Orion are the good guys.


I have a friend, Scribe611, who channeled a message, supposedly from Orion...
Source: www.abovetopsecret.com...

"Let the learning begin – those ready to hear, let them open their minds to receive knowledge unguessed at by even the most imaginative of your philosophers. The channels are opening between the worlds, the gates are beginning to swing wide. The mystics, poets, dreamers and philosophers unite – you will be the ones to bear witness to these all-important first changes. Others will not see at first; you must help open their resistant eyes. They fear what they do not understand, as is the way of man, but you must make them see. The time is coming for the veil to fall away, and the unprepared among you will suffer greatly. Each of you has been chosen for this purpose. Persecuted in the beginning, you will be the ones they turn to as confusion invades their complacent minds. They will do rash things out of fear; you must help them deal with what they have learned. Come together now, reach out to each other, and strengthen yourselves for the coming times. You will rely on each other and what you will be shown over the next days, weeks, and years to keep your wits about you when the first wave approaches. You who have been chosen will be the stabilizers in a terror-filled world. You must show them, through your actions and reactions to the events to come, that all is not lost...This is to be published. You must find each other, you who have been chosen… we must lead by example. Many have been called – do you hear? Will you answer?"

So... that sounds all well and good. But here is what I found during my research:
Source: www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

Orions which come from the stars in the Orion constellation are a group claimed to be working with the government on Black Op Projects. They are very heavily involved in influencing the world population through the use of mind control. They have also been doing genetic work in which they alter a human sperm and ovum to the extent that all offspring will produce hybrids with new characteristics. Humans will mate and create children with alien genetics. That’s one step beyond the average abduction scenario. Some claim that ’negative’ entities have been associated with some of the stars in the Orion constellation. Other sources claim that the Orion Nebula is a cosmic ’doorway’ to ’infinity’ or the realm of the Creator, which transcends the time-space-matter universe. Some astronomers claim that a huge, beautifully-illuminated multicolored ’light’ has emerged from the "nebula" and is on an intercept-course with Earth, although at a rather leisurely pace and at this rate this ’light’ or ’star’ will reach earth approximately 3000 AD (give or take a hundred years). Could this have something to do with the prophecy in Revelation 21? Since the Draconians are attempting to conquer the ’heavens’, they may have made futile attempts to enter the ’Eternity Gate’ and intercept the emerging ’Light’ (’War In Heaven’ between Michael and the ’Dragon’?)

The Ugly

All my research has pointed to the Repitlians being the bad guys... and the ugly!

I'm running our of room to post all I have concerning these guys, but here is part of what I discovered:
Source: alien-ufo-research.com...

The Reptilians or Reptoids alien race (which is a word mixed from reptilians and humanoids and are the same creature) are human looking lizard creatures that can shape shift. Out of all the different types of aliens visiting Earth the Reptilians are by far the most dangerous to our very existence as humans. They have very little respect for us and want the Earth for themselves. Some say that the greys have been working against the Reptilians in order to help the human race but it is unclear why. They may have a similar agenda and just don't want the reptilians to acquire the Earth before them.

Then we also have this fellow that many have seen:
Source:www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

IGUANOIDS
Approximately 4-5 ft. tall, with ’Iguana-like’ appearance yet ’hominoid’ configuration. They have sometimes been seen wearing black, hooded ’monk’ robes or cloaks which conceal much of their saurian features, which include tails. These have been reported as being extremely dangerous and hateful towards humans and lesser-ranking Reptiloids such as Greys, and like all other branches of the ’serpent’ race they utilize black witchcraft, sorcery and other forms of mind control against their enemies. They appear to be a dimension-hopping sorcerer or priest class among the reptiloid species.

I've read conflicting information on the Pleiades and Orion groups. All aliens say they are coming to help the human race.

So I'm asking you... Who are the deceivers?

Who do YOU trust... and why?

What does this have to do with my post?

PLEASE STAY ON TOPIC!

When you post the good ,the bad and the ugly,you do know where that comes from,right?

Your links are just a tad bit undesirable and the theory has always been a little out there.

With that,if those individuals say that is what they saw,I can only say that is what they saw.

But,I am always open to more evidence.

Peace,
K

In my opinion, there is MUCH that "we" don't know and cannot understand about any theory that involves the idea of ETs. It's much more than the labels of "good" "bad" and the "ugly". It is beyond our comprehension. It's like a bunch of monkeys trying to figure out calculus. They may "see" a bunch of numbers and equations but it doesn't mean they can figure it out. Same with us, we may "see" ufos, hear personal accounts of people being abducted by a blonde haired blue eyed Nordic but that is no solid evidence. I will never finalize my opinion on ETs until I meet one, talk to one and get a personal tour of their space craft.

my take on your post OP, based on my opinion after studying encounter cases (especially outside USA) , they are all UGLY (considering their reality and their real motives) and should be avoided. their apparent 'beauty' is just a mask..

- these beings are all one and the same , they just use different 'face' or 'mask'
- these beings are under 1 leader and they got an insidious agenda for humanity
- these beings can appear ugly or beautiful, kind and angelic or cruel and demonic
- these beings can influence your subconscious thus what you see is not what it really is
- they are in fact shaping a belief toward 'extra terrestrial' with all their lies and revelations to contactee and witnesses
- the nature of these beings , the more people believe in them the more they get stronger. its like a faith system, but not faith no God. Its the humanity's belief system that they after.

off course this opinion will ran counter to those 'modern' UFO proponents that think these are flesh and blood aliens visiting us from somewhere. To a westerner especially those who never study occultism and focus only on scientific side of things , the nut and bolt argument and extraterrestrial argument are strongly preferred. there are more stuff in this world that can be explained by western standard of science, heck even serious paranormal research are shoved into fringe science by western scientist.

To apply material-based science or research to investigate UFO phenomena and forgoing the psychical / paranormal / spiritual aspect is like to fight using 1 arm tied behind your back.. you cant win

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as an addendum , if you are interested , you can compare the old spiritism / mediumistic / occultism practices in 1900s era with the UFO contactee phenomena in 1960/1970+ .. and see if you can detect similarity / pattern in their message.

And also study the excellent books by Robert Monroe on Out-of-Body-Experience (free pdf available) , read how monroe also encounter UFOs in his OOBE on earth, in space and how his 'reality' in OOBE can be controlled by 'unknown' beings , a reality so real that he cannot differentiate his 'experience'/'education' from real world.

To really study UFOLOGY you have to learn Occultism literature and protect yourself (Spiritually). You can read on John Keel's and Jerome Clark's experience as UFO investigator when they encounter psychic attack/poltergeist on their investigations..

Originally posted by sled735

If aliens are real, I am interested in hearing the thoughts of the members on which race you feel is trustworthy, and why you feel this way.

i find this more difficult that if you ask 'which Star-Trek aliens you feel trustworthy'

no offense intended OP , i just think its impossible to categorize aliens like that when in fact there are indications / patterns that conclude these beings are not aliens but unknown beings with agenda to make humanity believe aliens exists..

as for myself, i personally choose a Quarrian over Asari =D

Assuming ETs are real and also assuming they are moral beings (two huge assumptions there), they are not openly landing because our governments are divided and criminal.

"Land on the White House lawn!" unthinking morons demand. Why? Why should they legitimize a criminal mafia that has taken over the reigns of government and hides behind the flags of democracy while perpetrating imperialist tyranny around the globe.

"Hi, please welcome to the Galactic Senate the representative from Earth, Mr. Barack Obama / George Bush, a puppet of oligarchic terrorists who control about half the world through predator drones and banking fraud."

To hell with that, and to hell with any aliens who would do business with our criminal trash overlords.

The message you posted from Scribe really struck me as I feel it relates to the
The Waiting Game

I had mentioned the frequency barrier and the veil thinning in some of my past posts, but what Scribe described really connected with me.

As for the species you have mentioned, you have to keep in mind that the polarities are not all race specific. It's a diverse, divine and ruthless universe.

I have seen most sci fi movies and almost always the beautiful looking aliens are the most hideous and have extremely malevolent intentions towards humans. Dont trust the Nordics.

I have been a member of ATS for just over a year. During this time I have read threads, watched videos, and came to my own conclusion (without reading it anywhere) that the snake in the King James Bible in the Garden of Eden with Adam and Eve was a Reptilian. I had been thinking about making a thread about my realization. I think I did post something about my theory somewhere on ATS... don't remember where.

I came across this information while looking through descriptions of the Reptilians for compiling this thread. It says exactly what I concluded on my own. That's validation for me that I was right!

Source:alien-ufo-research.com...

The Reptilians have been around since the beginning of man kind and have been thought to have given the human race much of it's early technology, helped build the pyramids, worked with the Mayans, and helped start early religions pretending to be Gods and manipulating Adam and Eve in the Bible (While dealing with the story of the Garden of Eden, the Midrash also deals with the serpent. It declares that before causing Adam and Eve to sin, "it had legs" (Berei# Rabbah, 19). According to this, the serpent was once a tall, splendid and regal creature. When its fate was decided and it is written that "upon thy belly shall thou go" (Berei# 3:14), "the ministering angels descended and cut off its arms and legs" (Berei# Rabbah, 20).

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Good...Who i trust:

There are three major visitors who i seem to be closer too.

A short woman i dont know what race she is as she wears huge sunglasses and dresses a little eccentric whom i absolutely adore, i call her Mother.
Then there is older gentleman who wears a robe who i call Happy Birthday.
And a female insectiod who i call Loved one.
I also trust the greys that visit me even though one of them may appear to be what society would call scary or ugly, but im not one to go by what one looks like on the outside.


Bad...Who i don't trust:

Humans.

Ugly...

The way i see ugly is something negative and with no empathy for all life,
and again i have only seen this in Humans and some animals.

I have not encountered what people refer to as Reptilians, and I have only seen one child with long blonde hair and she was as baby i was feeding, she seemed fragile as most baby's do. the other children ive seen look human just like us, different colour hair different personality's, different race features, just like us.

I have also encounted what i call The Escorts, they have all been taller males around 6ft, they wear black suits white shirt and black tie, they could be referred to as the contactees body guard and or chauffeur. They do not allow you to become emotionally close to them,

I have observed their behavior from a hearing and visual position, coming to the conclusion that hey are possibly humans. When they are together in a group they act relaxed and easy going, but when they are with you they become the silent stiff butler type.

Love and harmony
Whateva

First we're assuming aliens (which there is absolutely zero proof for) are real.
Second, we're assuming there's a variety of alien races.
Third, we're assuming that any number of these assumed aliens are in contact with us.

Um.

With all due respect, one assumption by itself is complete speculative fantasy.
Three or more assumptions stacked up on top of each other?

But, to play the game:

I think the Aliens from the Avatar movie are nice and they could be trusted to do the right thing.
The aliens from the movie ET seem pretty peaceful too.
If we can get in touch with the Jedi, technically aliens (from a galaxy a long time ago far, far way), we might could also benefit.

The Predator aliens, though dangerous hunters, if given common cause could prove worthy allies.
The face hugger parasitic aliens discovered by the Weyland Corporation are a very big threat and a danger to all life everywhere.

All the different races in Star Trek show sufficient sophistication such though there may be substantial cultural differences, the prevalence of humanoid body plans and resource requirements could give common cause.

The Peacekeepers, though militaristic imperialists could certainly help us if we were to join them. They all speak in nice English accents and it's a pretty dangerous universe out there. By the time we make contact with them, they may have even discovered the secrets to wormhole technology and John Criton could get home and tell us all about it.

The lizards from V, though they may seem trustworthy and nice on the surface, are actually lizards and they want to use us as a food source among other things, so, it'd be a good idea not to trust them.

The Chigs are out to kill us all.
The bugs are also out to kill us all (Would you like to know more?)

Some aliens like Superman, and Doctor Who we should trust completely as they've nothing but the best intentions in protecting this planet.

I think we would do really well if we could get in contact with The Culture and become charter members, though as altruistic as they are, they're not prone to interfering with primitive civilizations such ourselves.

My opinion? Take everything they say with a grain of salt. Anyone can turn on you at any point.

Drucilla!!! There you are! I've been waiting for you to pop in. LOL

First we're assuming aliens (which there is absolutely zero proof for) are real.

Tell that to the countless number of people who have seen them.
A few examples...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

And my friend, Alfred2012, from his website...
Source: www.the-starpeople.net...?lang=de

It was an unusual incident which massively shook the foundations of my view of the world which until then had been based upon facts and science in 2011! This incident and the mind-blowing experiences that followed, virtually turned my world upside-down over night. I began asking questions, struggled for answers, did research, looking for explanations for these unsettling experiences and thereby opened the door to a world so far unknown to me. The answers I have found are fascinating, mind-blowing and fantastic at the same time, while disrupting the boundaries of the world as they are understood by most of mankind today. This led me to my decision to share my findings with others. These fundamental and important insights deal with nothing less than: The existence of extraterrestrial life forms and their imminent return to Earth!

That's just a few. There are thousands more.

Second, we're assuming there's a variety of alien races.

Yes, there are...
www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

Third, we're assuming that any number of these assumed aliens are in contact with us.

Yes, they are...
Here is a post in my paranormal thread where Alfred2012 made a summary page of all the different aliens he has come in contact with:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

And he has many more people posting on his website:
www.the-starpeople.net...?lang=de

Um. With all due respect, one assumption by itself is complete speculative fantasy. Three or more assumptions stacked up on top of each other?

Um... Who's assuming? This is real. Take off the blinders. Too much evidence out there to assumethey don't exist. You'd have to be deaf, blind, and dumb!

Oh..... sorry, Dru.

Originally posted by Druscilla
First we're assuming aliens (which there is absolutely zero proof for) are real.

So, 100 billion galaxies, and we're the only ones? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Originally posted by blahxd67

Originally posted by Druscilla
First we're assuming aliens (which there is absolutely zero proof for) are real.

So, 100 billion galaxies, and we're the only ones? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

Um, there we go with the microcephalus reasoning. Really?
You may want to read this post

In essence, aliens somewhere in some abstract some place of the universe are completely worthless.
You may as well expect some hobo starving in the street to get up and pee all over themselves for joy when you tell them that some Billionaire on the other side of the planet is worth Billions, and probably ate a $1000 meal for the 3rd time that day.

Invisible abstract maybe possibly could be aliens are worthless.

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As to people claiming they've seen Aliens, or interacted with them, I'll quote myself from another thread:

The majority of Alien Contact reports and claims can be described and attributed to subject specific personally subjective Psychological Phenomenon experiences.

There are a number of studies on the phenomenon, one of which is:
Transcultural Psychiatry - Sleep Paralysis, Sexual Abuse, and Space Alien Abduction

Further, as supported by above documentation and other studies conducted regarding the phenomenon, the majority of Alien Abduction accounts can be accounted for by Schizotypy and/or Schizotypal Personality Disorder (SPD) as well as several other classifications.

Sleep Paralysis is also often confused by some experiencing it as a space alien abduction event.

Some other articles and papers describing and looking into the phenomenon are:

The Psychology of Alien Contact and Abduction Claims

The Construction of Space Alien Abduction Memories

The Ordinary Nature of Alien Abduction Memories

Memory Distortion in People Reporting Abduction by Aliens

Essentially, all reports regarding space alien abduction phenomenon that have been investigated indicate the phenomenon is entirely inside the head of whomever is experiencing the events.

Physical effects like bruises, scratches, cuts, sore muscles and other things are also described and accounted for, some being touched on in the articles linked above.

Some people may have had real alien abduction experience, if that makes you feel better.
Every look into these experiences, however, would indicate otherwise.

... and the old Science and Reasoning versus Faith in Belief debate continues ...

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The point of my post is that we are NOT alone in the universe. I'm not necessarily talking about intelligent civilizations. Just single celled organisms at the very least. Do I think we're being visited by aliens? It's possible. But I'm leaving it at that. I also refuse to say that all these alien abductions are fake, because a few have not been proven to be hallucinations, dreams, hoaxes, etc. Until you give me proof(and something I cannot deny) that these abductions are fake...I will leave them open to discussion.


I also looked up microcephalus. What definition are you shooting for with that word? This is the definition I got: an abnormally small head and underdeveloped brain. I also got that from dictionary.com

I see it this way. Can we do ANYTHING to alter the acts of these races as to this speculation? God is great enough for the entire continuum as far as I know.
And the thought of these beings showing up,just brings me closer too him as in a "save my a##" kind of thing.
You trust yourself and you really should tune that up anyway,one way is to do very stupid things and remember how it felt before and do what you normally would not.
We have each other that is all.
Those beings aren't trustable until YOU know Fear is usually a dead give away or an electro magnetic neuro contol mechanism.
You shall know them by their acts .that is why the demon theory floats so well.
Theories ,go figure.

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Personally, I don't know if aliens are really visiting us. Like I said in my previous post, it's entirely possible.