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NRA talking points
Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by mmitsch7
GUNS dont Kill people nor do the Operators. Bullets kill people
After 34 pages and hundreds of intelligent responses from ATS members, that’s what you’ve concluded??? Bullets kill people???
Maybe you missed the test in the OP. Are you saying that had I left some bullets on the porch then a mass shooting would have occurred resulting in death??
Inanimate objects don’t kill people. If they did, your t-shirt would have strangled you this morning!
edit on 18-2-2013 by seabag because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by cripmeister
Oh, you didn't like it?
Well try and shoot down this one...it's even better.
Seabag not entirely true. Have you ever worn a turtle neck? It's like walking around all day being strangled by a really weak person.
Besides her gripes with the Texas CCW laws at the time and the right to bear arms to prevent tyranny idea, her main point seems to be that it doesn't matter how many rounds go in a magazine.
There is, according to her experience, no time to rush someone while they insert a new magazine anyway. Am I correct? This begs the question, did her father try to rush the killer while he was reloading? If not then how can she be so confident?
Originally posted by mmitsch7
GUNS dont Kill people nor do the Operators. Bullets kill people
I was almost forced to follow through. My Dad (retired Col) was sick of me and booted me out!!
I could only wish that in another life I would be so lucky as to wear the uniform of a Marine soldier, it would be an honor and something I regret not doing. I took the entrance exam for the Air Force passed the physical but being young I didn't follow through.
Decided to rush into having a family and trying to chase the almighty dollar. And coming from a military family it was something other family members scratched their head on. But if I had one regret in life that would be it, now I am passed the age requirement and fully committed to my kids and s.o.
But back on topic yeah good luck waking up some or most for what it's worth......
Originally posted by seabag
There were many points made…all valid.
Why should it be a felony to carry a gun if you’re a law abiding citizen? Why should we even be required to have a CCW or CHL license??
Why would AR15 style semi-auto rifles NOT be considered reasonable self defense weapons? Both videos provided examples of why they are fantastic for many applications.
Why does it matter how many rounds my magazine holds when I can carry a dozen or more of them and change them quickly?
I’m a father of 2. I certainly don’t like the odds of “rushing” an armed lunatic who is in the process of killing people. I would much rather pull out my Glock, pop off two rounds to the bad guy's chest and one to the head, and rush my family out of harm’s way. Why in the world would people with the right to keep and bear arms be forced to defend themselves against armed criminals bare handed?? It makes NO SENSE!
Not at all but I also respect the constitution and last time I checked there was no proficiency test to qualify for 2nd amendment rights.
With the right to carry a gun comes great responsibility. Police officers have to meet firearms requalification standards regularly. Do you oppose that too?
Why should I have to rush someone? Why should criminals be the only ones armed?
Because there might be a chance to rush someone while they are changing magazines.
I believe her father did right before he was shot but I certainly wasn't there.
You failed to answer my question about the Luby´s massacre. Did Gratias' father or anyone else try to rush the killer while he was reloading? If not then how can she be so confident in saying that magazine capacity doesn't matter?
I know, right?
Shame on you! You aren't supposed to think independently! Don't you understand? Our big brother knows what is best for us all!!!
Like everything else, if it doesn't affect them directly right now they don't give a crap. It's hard to find a victim of violent crime who shares their beliefs. Why is that, I wonder? It's sad that it may take a violent act against them personally before they wake up and realize that self preservation is important.
An age old argument that will never be understood by those that support getting rid of guns.
Regardless, any gun owner proficient with a semi-auto weapon knows how quickly a person can change magazines. Apparently you don't.
Don't you just love how a person that doesn't want citizens to be armed tell us how unarmed people should jump a criminal while the criminal is changing magazines during a shooting rampage?
Originally posted by purplemer
reply to post by kdyam
you stated that a person is 4.5 time more likely to get shot if they are carrying a gun. What is your basis for this?
Something called science......
Most of us are aware of studies that show that having a firearm in the home increases rather than decreases your chance of violent injury or death — usually through accidents or suicide. I was not aware of this peer-reviewed 2009 study by the University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine study which concluded that people in possession of a gun were 4.5 times more likely to be shot during an assault than those who didn’t have a firearm….
www.forbes.com...
HAHAHA You just gotta love the "science"of statistics, people used to think that smoking was healthy for you at one time.. I mean studies have shown that as well albeit 60 years ago.
Originally posted by purplemer
reply to post by kdyam
HAHAHA You just gotta love the "science"of statistics, people used to think that smoking was healthy for you at one time.. I mean studies have shown that as well albeit 60 years ago.
HAHA you are dead correct. Some idiots did use to think smoking was healthy for you. Now you have idiots thinking guns are healthy for you instead. I guess some things never change now do they...