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Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by EnochWasRight
You don't need to know God. You need to know God knows you. Metacognition is the process of knowing what you know. Intuitively, we know God knows us. It's a given. When you hear the voice, you know the one calling.
Let's assume God is real for this discussion.
What I don't understand is... when you heard that voice. When you heard that calling. How do you know it's the God of the Christian Bible that you hear? How do you know it's not Shiva or Ganesha or Allah or another? Now if you're thinking 'one true God' then okay. Understood. I am saying let's assume God is real. A one true God. What I am really asking is... when you heard the voice of God, why are you taking that as affirmation of Christianity? Why are you taking that as God dismissing other religions? If you feel or hear or sense the presence of God, that's fantastic. But don't you think it's dangerous and insulting to God to assume he agrees with any particular bible? Why can't it just be you feel the presence and therefore you believe in God.
Dude was just saying that if you are really interested, you should read all texts and not confine yourself within only a couple of books just like what religion does... lol..
Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by EnochWasRight
IF you want to know God... look to his son...
Not the books outside of the gospels...
If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by EnochWasRight
I could be wrong but some of that commentary was hard to discern between the scripture. I think maybe some missed it to begin with.
Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by DelayedChristmas
I am not saying there is anything wrong with that. In my previous post to the OP I said I was inquiring not about hearing God, or feeling God's presence, rather how one from that reaches affirmation of any bible.
If for instance I had an NDE. Experienced a profound all-loving all-encompassing light that I knew to be nothing other than God, and was completely convinced it was real. I might come back with the conviction God is real in 'waking life'. Good example since many NDE'ers have claimed this. My point is NOT that.
My point is this. For OP and for any religious person. How did one get from point A to point B. Point A being belief in God and Point B being the belief in a particular religious dogma.
If I had come back from that NDE. Had God conviction. Had not experienced anything during that experience to warrant any affirmation towards say Islam, as nothing during the experience was related to Islam. Why would I become a Muslim?
The Cheshire Cat that just replied to me basically said he's read it all (various religions, etc) and only one rang true. That's a reasonable reply, but it's wholly lacking as a satisfying answer to my question.edit on 29-1-2013 by Lucid Lunacy because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by EnochWasRight
Excuse me??
I read it all.
I am saying 'others' might have missed the commentary. Hence that reply you got from that other member.
Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by Akragon
Ok I appreciate that
But I feel I laid enough out there that the question can be inferred.
You may be working under a false premise when it comes to my belief.
I see the same message emerge from Rumi the Sufi. I see it in the Dhammapada. I see it in nearly everything I read and every movie I see.
Originally posted by Akragon
Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by Akragon
Ok I appreciate that
But I feel I laid enough out there that the question can be inferred.
Which I've already explained the best I could...
I've studied for years... and all things lead me back to the gospels
Its not the dogmatic theology in the Christian religion, or any other for that matter...
What he said was Truth... That being, Love is the path
All scripture from all religion points to love, and life continuing after this incarnation.
Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by Akragon
All scripture from all religion points to love, and life continuing after this incarnation.
This sentence points to religion and God in general.
How is this used to affirm Christianity? How is that used to affirm a Christian shouldn't "dare touch" gnostic texts.
Truly I am just confused. I was expecting more from "all things" that lead you back to isolating Christianity as a one true religion. Obviously this is a request not a demand and any response is okay.edit on 29-1-2013 by Lucid Lunacy because: (no reason given)
I know for many it can be hard to believe that any truth resides in the bible
The problem for most is just as you have accepted the bible is not the word of God why not also accept the possibility that it or at least some of it is.
What Christ teaches is unlike any other teaching.
Although I believe the entire bible is the word of God
I believe there is enough in the 4 Gospels to prove that Jesus was more than just an ordinary man.
I am Not Christian... .
IF one chooses to believe God doesn't exist, that is their choice...
I'm sorry but it's just not true. And we can debate this back and forth if you desire. But you are religious.
You can distance yourself from the Church, that's fine, but when you claim to know the Mind of God aka the affirmation of a bible...you are religious. In your case the affirmation of the Christian Bible.
I would like to think it's based on reason, and or direct revelation. In my case reason. I am a deist.
I don't believe in revelation, but I can at least understand how that would be good reason if someone experienced it.
I am not talking about God belief. I know many struggle to separate the two. But I am talking about belief in dogma/scripture/bibles...
Originally posted by Lucid Lunacy
reply to post by EnochWasRight
You may be working under a false premise when it comes to my belief.
You referred to yourself as a Christian. From that I took a stab. If I am working under a false premise by all means let me know so I do not misrepresent you further. I have seen you quote outside canon in prior threads. I understood you were not 'orthodox'.
I see the same message emerge from Rumi the Sufi. I see it in the Dhammapada. I see it in nearly everything I read and every movie I see.
The pitfall with seeing God in all of them is that each contain the thoughts, feelings, and wishes (allegedly) of the creator God. So you can't just say they are all connected to divinity in some way, without addressing the fact they conflict with each others moral teachings, rituals, law, etc. How do you reconcile that? Religions are in conflict with each other. It seems you are extrapolating the parts from them that show the "same message" but ignore the confliction's I speak of. In the example you gave, including Buddhism, it would be very easy to show drastic contrast between it and Abrahamic faiths.
Let me sum my question. Since you said God's message is found in them, do you believe the entirety of those books/texts to represent the Mind of God? If not, why believe some of it does. And if yes, again how do you reconcile confliction.edit on 29-1-2013 by Lucid Lunacy because: (no reason given)