Two F-15s scrambled from Portland, escort jet into Seattle

reply to post by SWCCFAN


We used to always get things through to Hawaii that shouldn't have gotten there (people too after 9/11). Usually through LAX. We'd find something that couldn't go, get "But we brought it with us" and our response was "LAX?" and 90% of the time it was "Yes." God we used to hate LAX.

Explanation: S&F!

The 'prank' could possibly be the 'cover up''! [aka the Smoke!]

US government forces prevent mid air abduction of an 'important package' aka 1 sleeping passanger by aliens in their on going skywar above our heads with the boomings and thunderings and the razzle dazzle light shows [aka the Fire! Because where there is smoke ... there is usually fire.]

The package is reclaimed by the FBI and all is good!

Like think about ... trillions and trillions of dollars being poured into black projects run by the NSA and CIA etc.

They know every thing that is worth knowing!

Either this 'sleeping passanger' has several other things flagging them as a threat ... or they were well known to TPTB and TPTB made a move to protect their investment. [aka The Shadows]

Personal Disclosure: So NORAD and 2 fighter jets were involved.

Why couldn't the FBI just have had an air controller call the pilots and find out 1st whether there was any problems?

This kind of kneejerk response just shows that the USA is terrified of their own shadow! :shk:

Therefor terrorists have won ... making OBL a prophetic martyr!

The message being mirrored here by the authorities is ... [note: completely my paraphrasing .. think of it like my version of TLDR ]

'If anybody makes any claim against you ... you will be summararily detained with no questions asked ... and highly expensive and lethal levels of extreme military grade equipement manned by ultra trained and qualified solid steely eyed individuals will be employed to do this at the tax payers expense at a moments notice.'

[aka The Mirror!]



The rest is just phantoms! [aka The Ghosts]

Originally posted by OmegaLogos
Why couldn't the FBI just have had an air controller call the pilots and find out 1st whether there was any problems?

Because there is no way to confirm that the pilot spoken too is the actual pilot for one. For another most comms over ocean like that are over datalink as much as possible.

reply to post by Zaphod58


Explanation:Hmmm?

Type of aircraft ... info aquired from simple google search whicvh threw up this result ...

Alaska Airlines AS 819 [info.flightmapper.net]

AS 819 Non-stop Boeing 737-800 (73H)

Boeing 737: 737-800 [wiki]

The 737-800 is a stretched version of the 737-700, and supersedes the 737-400. It also filled the gap left by the decision to discontinue the McDonnell Douglas MD-80 and MD-90 following Boeing's merger with McDonnell Douglas. The -800 was launched by Hapag-Lloyd Flug (now TUIfly) in 1994 and entered service in 1998. The 737-800 seats 162 passengers in a typical two-class layout, or up to 189 in one class.[114] It competes with the A320. For many airlines in the U.S., the 737-800 replaced aging Boeing 727-200 trijets and MD-80 series and MD-90 aircraft.

The P-8 Poseidon is a 737-800ERX ("Extended Range") that, on June 14, 2004, Boeing's Integrated Defense Systems (now called Boeing Defense, Space & Security) division beat Lockheed Martin in the contest to replace the US Navy's P-3 Orion maritime patrol aircraft.

Personal Disclosure: It is an internal flight between 2 states of the USA ... the implication, as I see it, is TSA missed something very dangerous and can't be trusted to do their jobs, therefor requiring the military to get involved.

reply to post by OmegaLogos


Most times threats against aircraft come in after they have departed. Someone pissed because they missed their flight, so they call in a bomb threat. Or someone had a fight before the flight left, so they wait until they know the flight is airborne, and call and say they think their husband, boyfriend, fiance, whatever is going to try to hijack the plane. There's nothing to miss in those cases, because there's nothing there. But regardless the threat is taken seriously, and the military gets involved.

Crazy. Sounds like a cheap excuse to stretch the airforces wings and gain a little media attention in the process.

reply to post by signalfire


This! Thank you for raising the boring, yet relevant point about what this episode cost the taxpayers. And two?

What did they think sleepy could do to the first jet that a wingman was needed?

Did they think this guy was a super-hero or something equally ridiculous?

I agree with others that the follow up sure would be helpful in figuring out what was really going on

reply to post by Leonidas


They ALWAYS fly in pairs. It doesn't matter if it's a ferry flight, or an alert flight, there is always more than one. That way if one has an emergency the wingman can read off the checklist for him, and he doesn't have to try to deal with the emergency AND the checklist. The only time they ever flew single ship, they had to have special permission, and another pilot type rated in that fighter in the boom pod of the tanker for every refueling.

Originally posted by Tardacus
It sounds like a pissed off ex girlfriend wanted to get back at the guy so she made a phone call and said he was a hijacker

That was my first thought , either that or somebody just mad at him . Unless that person has a good excuse they might want to start sweating because I doubt the FBI thinks this is funny . (or the airline )

According to reports I heard last evening the FBI had been given information that the suspect was a hijacking threat which is why the escort was necessary as they don't want the aircraft to be used as a missile.

Those who were on the flight have reported that the suspect was asleep for the majority of the flight. Leading one to believe that someone called in a false report as part of an ongoing domestic dispute.

Or, he was infected with something and his being asleep was just a by-product of the disease's affect on his body.

Oh, my, add another to the list of Possible Pranks.


(harp roll, wavery fade to...)

Hm, our competition is flying in today, let's see how they do without their chief engineer and prototypes....got my single use phone here... ok...

(beep tones) OHai, this is Abdul Aleikum (Allahu Akhbar!) I am sending this notice to you that we have hijackers onboard your infidel airliner (number) and their names are (names of competitor's engineering staff)!

Allah the Great and Merciful allows me to give you this warning, and oh by the way, the things they checked that look like prototypes are actually Bombs of the Faithful, you will never know unless you cut them up into tiny pieces, you stupid pig-dog followers of the book!

(click)

Well, that ought to slow down Sandia's guys this time.

Sorry guys, I was already dead tired when I came across that story so I got what I could for ats and went to sleep. Thank you for responding weather you think this is hoax, bs, or something else. I havent actually read them yet so ill run for my coffee (you know the best part of waking up) and come back to get to it

I definitely look forward to reading your responses and updates, ill be searching and back on in a few

According to the Port of Seattle, the FBI questioned one man after Flight 819 from Kona, Hawaii, landed safely around 7 p.m. with no one injured. K-9 units checked the plane after landing, according to Port spokesman Perry Cooper.

Cooper also said no situation during the flight prompted the elevated security landing.

The passenger questioned by agents was named as a security threat by someone who called the FBI this afternoon, according Honolulu-based FBI agent Tom Simon. National Guard North American Aerospace Defense Command directed two F-15 fighter jets from the Oregon Air National Guard to escort the flight into Seattle around 6:15 p.m., according to a NORAD release.

Simon said the passenger is being interviewed by FBI agents in Seattle to see if he was indeed a security threat. If not, the FBI will turn its investigation toward the person who called in to say the passenger was a threat.

“Making a prank call like that is a federal crime,” Simon said. ”If this turns out to be a hoax, this will be turned into evidence against that person.”

Alaska crew members observed no unusual behavior from the passenger, who was asleep for much of the flight, according to airline spokesman Paul McElroy. Passengers were not made aware of the investigation until after the landing, when FBI agents entered the rear of the plane to detain the man.

As of 8:50 p.m., FBI agents in Seattle had detected no security threat, according to bureau spokeswoman Ayn Dietrich.

“We made contact with the individual with no incident,” Dietrich said. “He was cooperative and, from what we could determine on-scene, there’s no information suggesting a public safety threat yet.”

Yet?

If this is really the case then why couldnt they have just kept an eye on his sleepy arse and only make a move if when he either got up, woke up, or made a threatning move. I know not every single flight has an air marshal but someone must have been watching him right? Another thing I find weird is people on the flight couldnt tell anything was wrong but how can you miss a fighter jet on either side of the plane? I wouldnt know myself but wouldnt there be alot of extra noise with those bad boys pulling up along side?

Forgot to post link to above article
SeattleTimesBlog

Originally posted by WeBrooklyn
If this is really the case then why couldnt they have just kept an eye on his sleepy arse and only make a move if when he either got up, woke up, or made a threatning move. I know not every single flight has an air marshal but someone must have been watching him right? Another thing I find weird is people on the flight couldnt tell anything was wrong but how can you miss a fighter jet on either side of the plane? I wouldnt know myself but wouldnt there be alot of extra noise with those bad boys pulling up along side?

This isn't some movie where the jets pull along side near the front of the airliner. They escorted it in and maintained visual contact with the aircraft as it made its way to its destination. No one on board save probably the aircrew knew anything except they had some snoring guy sitting next to them. If there were an air marshal on board, they would have been notified but wouldn't have made an incident about it unless needed.

reply to post by crappiekat

Yea, Im a pissed off wife. but I would'nt be that stupid

I know that feelng

Imagine if it was a pissed off wife, which would be incredibly stupid considering everything is terror threat these days

Originally posted by WeBrooklyn
Another thing I find weird is people on the flight couldnt tell anything was wrong but how can you miss a fighter jet on either side of the plane? I wouldnt know myself but wouldnt there be alot of extra noise with those bad boys pulling up along side?

Because unless they're flying really really really closely they aren't going to make more noise than the engines of the planes they're on. And they don't always fly next to the plane. Usually they fly one beside the plane and one behind, but sometimes they'll fly behind it and keep an eye on things while talking to the crew, to keep from panicking the passengers.

reply to post by ownbestenemy

This isn't some movie where the jets pull along side near the front of the airliner. They escorted it in and maintained visual contact with the aircraft as it made its way to its destination. No one on board save probably the aircrew knew anything except they had some snoring guy sitting next to them. If there were an air marshal on board, they would have been notified but wouldn't have made an incident about it unless needed.

Thats why I said I didnt know, so thanks for that.

reply to post by Zaphod58

Because unless they're flying really really really closely they aren't going to make more noise than the engines of the planes they're on. And they don't always fly next to the plane. Usually they fly one beside the plane and one behind, but sometimes they'll fly behind it and keep an eye on things while talking to the crew, to keep from panicking the passengers.

You too sir, thank you. Again, didnt know. And yes I admit, my visual was what they show in movies, like a badass entrance

Now does anyone think they will publicly follow up on this investigation? This is still a serious matter regardless if the guy was a threat or not. But thank goodness nothing happened!

Originally posted by WeBrooklyn
Now does anyone think they will publicly follow up on this investigation? This is still a serious matter regardless if the guy was a threat or not. But thank goodness nothing happened!

Most likely to find out what triggered it but the publicity portion, the one that will get peoples' attentions, will not garner news worthy coverage. The FBI already has determined that the passenger probably had nothing to do with it so they they will move on to what actually cause the "scare".

Unfortunately, this won't see any news coverage at all but will most likely happen; or should happen.