Sandy is Obama’s Katrina — but the media look away

Originally posted by Hawking
Also: If Bush was such a swell guy and such a great president, why hasn't the GOP had him out campaigning for them?

They don't want him anywhere near the 2012 election, his presidency was a complete disaster, and people might remember what it was like having a republican president.



You know all those billboards with Bush saying "Do you miss me yet?" The answer is No. There's a reason he rarely leaves his home anymore.

edit on 6-11-2012 by Hawking because: (no reason given)

Whatever happened to all that outrage over Bush policies (generated by the media), which you now don't care about (along with the media)?

-Gitmo
-Wiretaps
-Patriot Act (And now the NDA)
-High gas prices (which are now part of Obama's energy policy)
-wars
-Drone strikes
-High deficits
-High unemployment
-Rendition

There used to be threads on these topics everyday when bush was president. Now, almost nothing.

Are you daft? I mean the fact that Obama got praise FROM NJ'S REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR who now is VOTING Obama, and that his rising popularity due to his response and such, it's no comparison, seriously lay off the booze or drugs, man.

The president responded accordingly and acted great.

When you have the most right wing blowhard in office putting politics aside and thanking the Kenyan Commie, and even Fox news states that he responded accordingly, guess what?

He did a great job. Nothing else to add other than FEMA works properly when there's a Dem in the white house. Always has, always will. Republicans want to shrink Government, and for good reasons, but the fact is that when something of this magnitude happens, FEMA is the life's blood to rebuilding and it's not only important, but necessary. People are starving and cold and homeless.


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Originally posted by ldyserenity
Are you daft? I mean the fact that Obama got praise FROM NJ'S REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR who now is VOTING Obama, and that his rising popularity due to his response and such, it's no comparison, seriously lay off the booze or drugs, man.

Am I daft? Hmmm... and you think Gov. Christie is now voting for Obama because he thanked him for his personal efforts in New Jersey.... Please show my you source that reveals who Christie is voting for or who he has voted for already.... Should be interesting...


FEMA got caught with their pants down AGAIN!!!! Read the news.... The only aid making it to the victims right now is coming from PRIVATE Sources... Bottled Water is coming directly from Nestle because FEMA FAILED to prepare according to the week long warning!!!! Obama's FEMA has failed!!

Obama promised a cut in red tape to get aid to the victims faster and yet FEMA is going through the bidding and selection process to qualify a vendor or vendors who can supply bottled water.... You think that should have been done prior to the hurricane making land fall???

Originally posted by spinalremain
The president responded accordingly and acted great.

When you have the most right wing blowhard in office putting politics aside and thanking the Kenyan Commie, and even Fox news states that he responded accordingly, guess what?

He did a great job. Nothing else to add other than FEMA works properly when there's a Dem in the white house. Always has, always will. Republicans want to shrink Government, and for good reasons, but the fact is that when something of this magnitude happens, FEMA is the life's blood to rebuilding and it's not only important, but necessary. People are starving and cold and homeless.

 

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Please detail how FEMA is working properly with sources. Thank You!!

Why was FEMA not prepared prior to Sandy's landfall? No water staged... they had to open bids after the fact and go through the red tape of the bidding process just to order the proper amount of water.... Why is that?? Did FEMA need more than a week of warnings to properly prepare and stage supplies?? Why were supplies still in Georgia??

The Buck Stops with Obama. In his own words!!

On October 24th, the news came that Sandy had been officially upgraded to a hurricane. The following day, the Washington Post reported that newly declared Hurricane Sandy had “experienced a stunning increase in size and intensity” overnight that had not been previously forecast. Throughout the week that followed, it became more and more apparent the hurricane could potentially make landfall on America’s densely populated East Coast. Sandy finally slammed ashore on the evening of October 29, the eye hitting just south of Atlantic City, New Jersey.

By October 30th, establishment media outlet The New York Times was already celebrating FEMA‘s ability to save the day. If anyone or anything should be prepared for such a disaster, it should be FEMA, right? Its acronym does, after all, stand for Federal Emergency Management Agency.

So why are stories coming out that FEMA failed to plan ahead on Hurricane Sandy, leaving millions of people without so much as fresh water?

FEMA knew for at least a week, as we all did, that this hurricane could be devastating, that millions could end up without power or basic necessities, and that a large portion of those people left in Sandy’s wake would be woefully unprepared and relying on the agency to come in and save them.

In reality, FEMA knew for over seven years what Sandy could do; if anything, Hurricane Katrina should have taught the agency a thing or two about preparation and providing disaster relief following a major hurricane.

In the 72 hours after Sandy ravaged the coast literally leaving millions in the dark without electricity, stories of unfolding social collapse spread, from martial law being declared in one New Jersey town, to state troopers being called in to monitor violence over the last remaining fuel at gas stations, to New York deploying over a thousand National Guard troops to prevent looting. The death toll has now risen to over 110.

While FEMA’s official Sandy webpage declares the “Federal Family” is continuing to “lean forward” to support response efforts (not coincidentally a throwback to Obama’s presidential campaign slogan), reports have come out that the agency is completely failing to live up to its promises yet again.

FEMA’s website alludes to supplies stored up across the country in case of a catastrophe. We know FEMA used taxpayer money to buy up $1 billion in storable food in 2011, for example. The presumption is this food would be used to provide relief to American disaster victims should the need arise.

Where's all of the food FEMA bought?? $1Billion worth of storable food..$1billion spent

FAILURE!! even with a Dem. at the helm... Fema never fixed its internal problems since Katrina... Bush did not fix FEMA and neither did Obama... He owns this mess NOW!!!!!

The hurricane hit on Tuesday and the first solicitation for food didn’t even get posted until Friday, with the other two posted yesterday. In addition, why is Breitbart reporting that FEMA solicited for 2.3 million gallons of bottled water for which bidding was not set to close until November 3rd?

Hurricane Irene even hit the same area last year. Warning after warning after warning, and FEMA failed to prepare.

The Department of Homeland Security and FEMA have been called the most powerful agencies within the U.S. government, with the power to turn the U.S. into a police state at any time. Big government isn’t here to save anyone.

Sadly, Sandy is turning into Katrina 2.0 and FEMA has zero excuse for its grand failure redux.

And you praise FEMA....Hope you never have to rely on them for support when you need it most...

www.infowars.com...

Originally posted by Hawking

Originally posted by jibeho
reply to post by nixie_nox

 

A prime example of the double standard indicated in the OP. Thank you for sharing!! Bush could not do anything right regarding Katrina and yet we have a clear failure of FEMA to properly prepare and stage supplies for the aftermath of Sandy. There was plenty of warning and yet no supplies were advanced to the locations where they should have been... Still sitting in Georgia when the storm struck....

What now??? Does the FEMA director report to Obama??

The thing Bush did wrong with Katrina was NOT SHOWING UP after it happened.


Obama has already outdone him in this regard - if you keep grasping like this, there won't be any straws for the rest of us

Bush flew over the Katrina ravaged region for the same reason Mayor Bloomberg told Obama to go to New Jersey instead of New York. Interference!!

In Hindsight as stated a couple of years ago... Bush deeply regrets that decision not to make the personal stop. Apparently Obama learned from Bush's mistake. Obama still dashed off to campaign and rub elbows with the stars...

Former President George W. Bush said he made a “huge mistake” in not stopping in Louisiana after Hurricane Katrina and in allowing photographers to take pictures of him looking at New Orleans as he flew over the city.

The image, taken on board Air Force One, made him look “detached and uncaring,” Bush said in an interview scheduled for broadcast on NBC next week in connection with the Nov. 9 release of the former president’s book, “Decision Points,” about his time in office.

“I should have touched down in Baton Rouge, met with the governor and walked out and said, ‘I hear you. We understand. And we’re going to help the state and help the local governments with as much resources as needed,’” said Bush, 64, according to excerpts from the interview with Matt Lauer scheduled to air at 8 p.m. New York time on Nov. 8.

In his book, Bush writes that a low point in his presidency was a remark by rapper Kanye West shortly after Katrina hit that the government’s response to the disaster showed Bush “doesn’t care about black people.”

‘All-Time Low’

“I faced a lot of criticism as president,” Bush wrote, according to the NBC excerpt. “I didn’t like hearing people claim that I lied about Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction or cut taxes to benefit the rich. But the suggestion that I was racist because of the response to Katrina represented an all- time low.”

In the interview Bush said, “I resent it, it’s not true, and it was one of the most disgusting moments in my presidency.”

www.bloomberg.com...

Wonder how Kanye will feel about the failed FEMA effort for Sandy victims???

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Wow, this thread of yours is an utter FAIL. Bush was criticized for only flying over the Gulf coast and for the craptastic job FEMA was doing. And he praised "Brownie", the head of FEMA, for the "heck of a job he was doing".

Now, with Hurricane Sandy, "Brownie" criticized Obama for acting to soon/hastily in declaring disaster areas and calling out FEMA. Nor do I remember any elected officials in the disaster zone of Katrina praising Bush, but rather they were complaining about the poor response of FEMA. On the other hand, Chris Christie has praised Obama for his handling of matters related to the disaster.

Frankly, I wouldn't believe anything said by any former Bush WH person. The entire Bush II administration proved that it was full of liars who would not take responsibility for any mistakes.

And as for your source, it's from the highly non-credible Washington Times, which is owned by the Moonies, a very politically conservative religious cult. The article you cite is an op-ed piece, which provides no citations to its claims about the timeline for Katrina, i.e. the Mayor of N.O. and the governor of LA saying they could handle it. Moreover, this opinion pieces uses very charged language, calling Obama assistants "hacks" and using terms like "bloviating" to describe what Obama and the government has said. So a very biased opinion piece with no evidence to back up its claims.

And if there are generators meant for the marathon being unused, then blame that on NYC officials. In case you hadn't heard, FEMA provides aid, assistance and logistics, but local and state officials are in charge. FEMA is not responsible for inventorying local resources -- that's for the locals to do. It was mayor Bloomberg who was planning on carrying on the marathon until public outcry put the kabosh on that. So blame Bloomberg, not Obama or FEMA for things that aren't under their purview.

As to the time line of Katrina, a big part of the problem was that the dyke pumps failed at some point, so after the worst of the hurricane had come and gone, the real major flooding occurred. But moreover, LA Gov. Blanco requested federal aid one day before the storm made landfall, not three days after -- like what the Washtington Times opinion piece claims. And Michael Brown, a.k.a. "Brownie" asked his boss, Chertoff, five hours after Katrina made landfall, if he could send 1,000 FEMA personnel down.

If Blanco and Nagin said anything about having matters in hand, it was because the Bush administration wanted the state of LA to HANDOVER relief efforts to the federal government, which would have put the National Guard and local police under the control of the federal government. Given how abysmal the federal government had handled things up to then, it is no surprise, LA and N.O. said "no thanks".

Katrina timeline

So your opinion-piece source is downright wrong on the facts it claims, and this article -- not a news article -- is the entire basis of your thread?

WEAK.

Originally posted by PvtHudson

Originally posted by Hawking
Also: If Bush was such a swell guy and such a great president, why hasn't the GOP had him out campaigning for them?

They don't want him anywhere near the 2012 election, his presidency was a complete disaster, and people might remember what it was like having a republican president.



You know all those billboards with Bush saying "Do you miss me yet?" The answer is No. There's a reason he rarely leaves his home anymore.

edit on 6-11-2012 by Hawking because: (no reason given)

Whatever happened to all that outrage over Bush policies (generated by the media), which you now don't care about (along with the media)?

-Gitmo
-Wiretaps
-Patriot Act (And now the NDA)
-High gas prices (which are now part of Obama's energy policy)
-wars
-Drone strikes
-High deficits
-High unemployment
-Rendition

There used to be threads on these topics everyday when bush was president. Now, almost nothing.

Nice one, avoid the the question posed by the commenter you're responding to. If Bush did such a bang-up job as president, in particular with Hurricane Katrina, why isn't he campaigning for GOP candidates right now. Bill Clinton sure is. The reason Bush isn't helping in this campaign is because he is a political leper because of how bad his administration was, including dealing with Hurricane Katrina. This thread is about how hurricane Sandy is supposedly being handled as badly by Obama as Katrina was by Bush II, even though the evidence suggests otherwise. But you want to bring up other Obama policies -- as well as lie about them, claiming that high gas prices are part of his energy policy.

By all means start or promote threads about some of the Obama's polices you mention. That would sure beat all the bogus ones about "Benghazi-gate" and how Obama has failed in his Hurricane Sandy response. I would agree with you on some of them, BUT some of them clearly have to do with the GOP, for instance not closing Gitmo. When he attempted to do this and planned to try terrorists in NYC, GOP politicians raised holy hell against. Unemployment was also higher before Obama came into office and, again, the GOP has resisted larger stimulus packages that would help and has wanted to continue pushing its failed trickle-down economics policy with continued tax cuts for the rich and pushing for budget cuts.

And if you don't understand Keynesian economics and the need for deficit spending during a big recession, then you don't understand elementary macroeconomics or know 20th-century US history.

reply to post by MrInquisitive


I've sourced others in this thread stating the same thing and within those sources you will find links to other sources. On and on it goes... Next time I'll source Media Matters to please you

Google FEMA failed Sandy Victims and see what you find. Maybe you can hand pick a source that you personally approve. That is your personal fail.... FEMA has failed to prepare for this storm and others since Katrina... look it up... FEMA has not been "fixed" since Katrina... by either Bush or their current boss Obama. Obama smiles and shakes hands and you think all is well.... Tell that to the people who are still waiting for any help from FEMA. Most are getting help from private sources and locals right now.


This video is probably a lie so don't bother watching it

A couple of things.

Local and State governments are supposed to handle disasters for up to 5 days to allow FEMA time to position it's resources. New York City was more concerned about it's marathon than Sandy.

If Louisiana and New Orleans had spent the funds designated for repair and upgrades to it's levees, on the levees, Katrina would have almost been a non-event.

Originally posted by MrInquisitive

Originally posted by PvtHudson

Originally posted by Hawking
Also: If Bush was such a swell guy and such a great president, why hasn't the GOP had him out campaigning for them?

They don't want him anywhere near the 2012 election, his presidency was a complete disaster, and people might remember what it was like having a republican president.



You know all those billboards with Bush saying "Do you miss me yet?" The answer is No. There's a reason he rarely leaves his home anymore.

edit on 6-11-2012 by Hawking because: (no reason given)

Whatever happened to all that outrage over Bush policies (generated by the media), which you now don't care about (along with the media)?

-Gitmo
-Wiretaps
-Patriot Act (And now the NDA)
-High gas prices (which are now part of Obama's energy policy)
-wars
-Drone strikes
-High deficits
-High unemployment
-Rendition

There used to be threads on these topics everyday when bush was president. Now, almost nothing.

Nice one, avoid the the question posed by the commenter you're responding to. If Bush did such a bang-up job as president, in particular with Hurricane Katrina, why isn't he campaigning for GOP candidates right now. Bill Clinton sure is. The reason Bush isn't helping in this campaign is because he is a political leper because of how bad his administration was, including dealing with Hurricane Katrina. This thread is about how hurricane Sandy is supposedly being handled as badly by Obama as Katrina was by Bush II, even though the evidence suggests otherwise. But you want to bring up other Obama policies -- as well as lie about them, claiming that high gas prices are part of his energy policy.

Bush is hated because the MSM and Hollywood made sure you hated him for all the policies they now give Obama a pass on. This is an inconvenient truth for you. You're on the side of mass propaganda, congratulations.

When he attempted to do this and planned to try terrorists in NYC, GOP politicians raised holy hell against.

Utter crap. He had and still has the power to close it down.

Unemployment was also higher before Obama came into office

More lies. You are truly a product of the Democrat mass media.

and, again, the GOP has resisted larger stimulus packages that would help and has wanted to continue pushing its failed trickle-down economics policy with continued tax cuts for the rich and pushing for budget cuts.

You're completely delusional. Apparently GOP president have unrelenting power, while Democrats are at the mercy of those Republican meanies.

And if you don't understand Keynesian economics and the need for deficit spending during a big recession, then you don't understand elementary macroeconomics or know 20th-century US history.

Yes, it's working out so well!

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I live on the jersey shore in the worst hit area. People I personally know who have lost everything and have been in direct contact with authorities at FEMA have all been praising FEMAs response.

reply to post by drock905


Good to hear for them! Glad to know that their are some exceptions. It sounds Like FEMA opened its first relief center in Cape May a couple of days ago and the aid applications are starting to come in from New Jersey.

Staten Island is slowly getting some help too.

Due to the approaching nor'easter, the Federal Emergency Management Agency is temporarily suspending operations Tuesday at 6 p.m. at its three disaster recovery centers on Staten Island.

FEMA spokesman John Knowles said the agency will evaluate on Wednesday when to re-open the centers, where residents can file claims for housing assistance, repairs and temporary shelter.

The sites are at Miller Field, New Dorp, near New Dorp High School; the Mission of the Immaculate Virgin at Mount Loretto in Pleasant Plains, and Father Capodanno Boulevard and Hunter Avenue, Midland Beach.

They are normally open daily from 8 a.m. to 8 p.m.

FEMA established the centers to give residents who suffered damage from Superstorm Sandy a place to talk to representatives and to apply for a variety of FEMA grants and loans, said Knowles.

www.silive.com...

Unfortunately, it sounds like these aid sites are for processing paperwork... Not much else...

For those interested in helping here are a variety of ways you can chip in

www.silive.com...

Obama acknowledged sandy right away as opposed to bush who didn't. Obama took a look bush took his sweet time.

some times just acknowledging something is enough for the people. Bush was a jackass about it and obama wasn't.

Now if those supplies are not being used right.... I didn't know obama was supposed to be out there personally setting up those generators....

YOu are grasping at straws. I do not like obama but man really??? really??

reply to post by jibeho


Yeah, sit back and think about sending help while people sit on their roofs waiting for help.- Bush
Or
Get off your ass and get in the trenches with the people and get help to them as fast as possible because we dont want to look like Bush. - Thats Obama.

Big difference yeah.
One cared
the other didnt.
Or at least didnt care about the blacks.

reply to post by ldyserenity


I highly doubt that he voted for Obama. Unless you put store in what they say on SNL.

reply to post by jibeho


What would you get if instead you googled "Hurricane Sandy and FEMA relief efforts" which is much less an inflamatory search term and see what you get. If you look for the worst you will always find it. Simply change your search terms and you will get new and better information on how the disaster was handled.

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Sorry Private but he is right. Unemployment figures were higher when Barack first took office. He is making a difference. But I wont bang my head against a wall ever tyring to convince any republican that the man has merit. You only see a democrate. This is why the country is divided.

Originally posted by ldyserenity
Are you daft? I mean the fact that Obama got praise FROM NJ'S REPUBLICAN GOVERNOR who now is VOTING Obama, and that his rising popularity due to his response and such, it's no comparison, seriously lay off the booze or drugs, man.

If you dont think the press is covering POTUS rear end on this you are very daft. I dont mean to say he is doing anything wrong....just saying if he were a republican they would make him account for every lose board out there.

Originally posted by karen61560
reply to post by jibeho

 

Yeah, sit back and think about sending help while people sit on their roofs waiting for help.- Bush
Or
Get off your ass and get in the trenches with the people and get help to them as fast as possible because we dont want to look like Bush. - Thats Obama.

Big difference yeah.
One cared
the other didnt.
Or at least didnt care about the blacks.

Much of what FEMA is today over what it was before Katrina, is because of Bush. Obama had inherited a much better FEMA thanks to Bush.