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A prominent political analyst says the US political system is founded on principles of slavery, and ordinary citizens play absolutely no role in the country's electoral process.
“The average citizen has absolutely none (no role in the elections). If you just reflect on the immense amount of money that’s being spent on the campaigns, two billion dollars by each candidate, that in and of itself indicates that the common man has no place, no role in the electoral process. I mean, our guest [another guest in the show] said that we don’t have control that we have lost control, well, we never had control,” said Darnell Summers with the Berlin-based Institute for Cultural Diplomacy (ICD) in a recent Press TV interview.
Summers stressed that the United States has always been and continues to be a ‘slavocracy’ as the common American has never had the power to influence the country’s political process ever since the establishment of the state.
Originally posted by frazzle
Can anyone honestly show how this analysis is wrong? Even in local elections the chamber of commerce has more impact on the final outcome than ordinary voters. Why do we continue on and on and on with the delusion that our votes mean something beyond our own, sometimes very uneducated, opinions?
Examples that escape this paradigm:
I'm not sure... but JFK and Carter come to mind..., we might as well throw Nixon in there as well.
Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
Originally posted by frazzle
Can anyone honestly show how this analysis is wrong? Even in local elections the chamber of commerce has more impact on the final outcome than ordinary voters. Why do we continue on and on and on with the delusion that our votes mean something beyond our own, sometimes very uneducated, opinions?
Can anyone show ... ?
If I might make a suggestion. Check and spend a couple hours (It will take that to get more than a passing bumper sticker version from either side) and research how this system actually, REALLY works and what REALLY happens from the Caucus to the Inauguration. The outright bad and deliberately false information to discourage people from even bothering to show up and vote is just over the top and beyond anything I've personally ever seen before an election in my life.
it's not overly complex, but there is a hell of a lot more to the process than can be described in a post. 2 weeks of my 101 Political Science course was dedicated to JUST this and 1/3rd of the Final was related to it. There are definitely levels to the process that make it absurd to listen to taking heads speak as if it's a student body electing the class President and pulling funny business.
Just my two cents...as the avalanche of "Don't vote, there's no point" message becomes almost too loud to hear myself think at times lately.
Way back in March of 2005, I wrote: Dark Days. (The black band on ATS), in response to a similar graphic display of distress.
Make no mistake, you are being expertly controlled. Even here, in this venue that should be beyond the puppet masters' strings, we have succumbed to the subtle manipulations of thought and reason. Instead of looking in agner toward the puppet masters, you yell at the puppets.
So here we are again, suffering the daily madness of the The Quadrennial Exploitation Of The Moronic Masses, otherwise known as the U.S. Presidential Election Season.
PURE popular vote is PURE mob rule on that national office election. No other way to put it.
Originally posted by frazzle
reply to post by Wrabbit2000
PURE popular vote is PURE mob rule on that national office election. No other way to put it.
Sure there is another way to put it. The electoral college is the sure fire way the two major parties have in keeping out third party candidates.
Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
Originally posted by frazzle
reply to post by Wrabbit2000
PURE popular vote is PURE mob rule on that national office election. No other way to put it.
Sure there is another way to put it. The electoral college is the sure fire way the two major parties have in keeping out third party candidates.
This is what I mean.... Please, I'm not being a jerk in my tone here and I wish I could convey some sense of how I'd say this in person.
That comment though is the largest demonstration of how badly misunderstood this system IS that I've ever seen. IF that were true, then the training I personally got with a 100 or more people from Ron Paul's own Reps would have been 100% totally worthless. In fact, his whole campaign was one big joke and he had NO intention of anything but playing with everyone's emotions for no good reason.
THAT is what you're saying there..and it's absolutely untrue. It's flat out NOT how the American system works. The problem is, the media seems to be as badly informed as the political establishment HOPES we remain.
Ron Paul damn near got a foothold...ONLY BECAUSE of the Electoral College. Without that, his support across the military and the 'Constitutionalist' vote wouldn't have been a footnote in a sidebar. TOTAL votes? A 3rd party candidate is EVER going to break in the first time...by popular vote? (sigh)
.....I am now understanding why EVERY college degree in the United States absolutely, without argument, REQUIRES courses on our system and how it actually functions. It's a shame more people don't get that level of open, straight and deep instruction in High School......but then, more might vote and the Politicals can't control everyone as easily as the few who bother now.
Neuman said she and the League regretted that the American people have had no real opportunities to judge the presidential nominees outside of campaign-controlled environments.”
For anybody hoping that the US presidential debate stage may find extra floor space to host a third-party product, better not hold your breath. Those hopes were shattered when Ross Perot, who received just under 19 percent of the popular vote (about 20 million votes) in the 1992 election, was barred from participating four years later. The CPD had the supreme audacity to proclaim that Perot should be excluded from the debates because “he had no realistic chance of winning.”
An editorial in The New York Times summed up the frustration felt by millions of jaded voters: “By deciding to exclude Ross Perot from this year’s debates, the commission proved itself to be a tool of the two dominant parties rather than a guardian of the public interest. This commission has no legal standing to monopolize debates.”
Yet, the CPD continues to enjoy an iron grip over the presidential campaign process. These are no insignificant powers, and these two political groups are not about to relinquish their control anytime soon. Today, in order to be considered eligible to participate in the debates, would-be candidates are now required to prove they have the support of at least 15 percent of the electorate, which is determined by five national public opinion polling agencies. This is where the fun begins.
Strangely, however, Americans lack choice in the one place it matters most: the political supermarket. Year after maddening year, American 'consumers' (we surrendered the 'citizens' label a long time ago) have exactly two political products to choose from: Democrat or Republican. Coke or Pepsi. Same junk, different label. This Punch and Judy Show has been continuing for about 150 years, and thanks to some Orwellian-esque legislation the routine doesn't promise to change anytime soon.
DISSENTING ELECTORATE. To briefly summarize:
Truth does not depend upon a majority vote. Two plus two equals four regardless of how many people vote that it equals five.
Individuals have rights which do not depend on the outcome of elections. Majorities of voters cannot vote away the rights of a single individual or groups of individuals.
Voting is implicitly a coercive act because it lends support to a compulsory government.
Voting reinforces the legitimacy of the state because the participation of the voters makes it appear that they approve of their government.
Originally posted by frazzle
reply to post by Northwarden
From the RT article:
Strangely, however, Americans lack choice in the one place it matters most: the political supermarket. Year after maddening year, American 'consumers' (we surrendered the 'citizens' label a long time ago) have exactly two political products to choose from: Democrat or Republican. Coke or Pepsi. Same junk, different label. This Punch and Judy Show has been continuing for about 150 years, and thanks to some Orwellian-esque legislation the routine doesn't promise to change anytime soon.
Same junk, different label. That sums it up, although the Punch and Judy show has been performing for us for over 150 years.
The intense media focus on the divide between “red” and “blue” states in the wake of the presidential election has raised new questions regarding our federal voting system. One U.S. Senator has promised to introduce legislation to abolish the Electoral College, claiming it is an anachronism that serves no good purpose in modern politics. Her stated goal is “simply to allow the popular will of the American people to be expressed every four years when we elect our president.” Many Americans agree, arguing that the man receiving the most votes should win; anything else would be unfair. In other words, they believe the American political system should operate as a direct democracy.
The problem, of course, is that our country is not a democracy. Our nation was founded as a constitutionally limited republic, as any grammar school child knew just a few decades ago. Remember the Pledge of Allegiance: “and to the Republic for which it stands”? The Founding Fathers were concerned with liberty, not democracy. In fact, the word democracy does not appear in the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution. On the contrary, Article IV, section 4 of the Constitution is quite clear: “The United States shall guarantee to every state in this Union a Republican Form of Government” (emphasis added).
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Not surprisingly, calls to abolish the Electoral College system are heard most loudly among left elites concentrated largely on the two coasts. Liberals favor a very strong centralized federal government, and have contempt for the concept of states' rights (a contempt now shared, unfortunately, by the Republican Party). They believe in federalizing virtually every area of law, leaving states powerless to challenge directives sent down from Washington. The Electoral College system threatens liberals because it allows states to elect the president, and in many states the majority of voters still believe in limited government and the Constitution.