More fake gold discovered, this time in Manhattan.

Fake gold bars turn up in Manhattan


So whos responsible?

There have been several stories about these fake gold bars. Some have speculated that because of the sophistication of the fakes, it has to be a group with substantial resources. In some cases, the central banks themselves are under suspicion.


Think about it.

The central banks, predominantly owned and run by the Rothschilds have been hoarding gold for centuries.


What occurred in 1933 was one of the greatest heists in American history: the confiscation, by force, of the people's gold to be handed over to the "Federal Reserve":

Executive Order 6102 required all persons to deliver on or before May 1, 1933, all but a small amount of gold coin, gold bullion, and gold certificates owned by them to the Federal Reserve

Does anyone really believe that these elites are going to willingly allow gold to be in the hands of the people?

So where did America's gold go? We were told that the confiscated gold was stored in Fort Knox, which at one time held 70% of the world's gold. Reagan attempted to audit America's gold but was told that there was no gold in Fort Knox. That in fact, the "Federal Reserve" had confiscated the gold and moved it to their vaults in Manhattan as "collateral against the national debt".

The Federal Reserve Bank of New York maintains a vault that lies 80 feet (24 m) below street level and 50 feet (15 m) below sea level,[7] resting on Manhattan bedrock. ...Currently, it is reputedly the largest gold repository in the world...

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In recent history, only one man has attempted to find out what happened to America's gold:

Rep. Paul Calls for Gold Audit, Questions Whether Fort Knox Is Empty

Can't watch the video here but let me guess,
Tungsten covered by a layer of real gold The Chinese knew about this a while back.

In October 2009, China reportedly received a large shipment of gold, containing some 6,000 bars, weighing 400 ounces each. When it was received, the Chinese government asked that tests be performed to guarantee the purity and weight of the gold bars. In this test, four small holes were drilled into the bars, and the metal was analyzed. Officials were shocked to find the bars were bogus. They contained cores of tungsten, with only an outer coating of real gold. What’s more, these gold bars, containing serial numbers for tracking, originated in the United States and had reportedly been stored in Fort Knox for years.

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Originally posted by gladtobehere
Fake gold bars turn up in Manhattan

So whos responsible?

There have been several stories about these fake gold bars. Some have speculated that because of the sophistication of the fakes, it has to be a group with substantial resources. In some cases, the central banks themselves are under suspicion.

edit on 19-9-2012 by gladtobehere because: (no reason given)

greed is the root of all evil. a second line isn't even required
money has never been the problem, our internal ethics and morals are the problem.

Money was created out of necessity for mankind. Money was exploited by greedy corrupt souls
to control man. If you believe that money is the problem, you absolve them of the guilt they rightfully bare.

greed is the root of all evil. a second line isn't even required
money has never been the problem, our internal ethics and morals are the problem.

Money was created out of necessity for mankind. Money was exploited by greedy corrupt souls
to control man. If you believe that money is the problem, you absolve them off the guilt they rightfully bare.

Close but the root of all evil is money

Actually "The love of money is the root of all evil"

Originally posted by Mike.Ockizard

Close but the root of all evil is money

agree to disagree lol Maybe its neither, maybe we just dont want to blame ourselves. Man is the root of all evil. Man is the root of all good.

There is an expression that guns dont kill people, people kill people. Its all how we use the tool, whether for good or evil. Man is what turned money evil, but we also invented charity, so we use it for good as well.

If money is the root of all evil, then how do we explain the evil inside serial killers, most don't kill for money. How do we explain kids torturing animals, when money is not at stake. If it is the root of all evil, then evil can not exist anywhere without money. so we are left with,

Money is one of the roots of evil....but what are the others? Money can't take all the blame!

Originally posted by wiser3
Actually "The love of money is the root of all evil"

I would still have to leave out the word 'all'. I like the compromise of an emotion and money creating evil, because it shows places blame in the right spots. It just doesn't explain pure evil acts.

Originally posted by Thunderheart
Can't watch the video here but let me guess,
Tungsten covered by a layer of real gold The Chinese knew about this a while back.

In October 2009, China reportedly received a large shipment of gold, containing some 6,000 bars, weighing 400 ounces each. When it was received, the Chinese government asked that tests be performed to guarantee the purity and weight of the gold bars. In this test, four small holes were drilled into the bars, and the metal was analyzed. Officials were shocked to find the bars were bogus. They contained cores of tungsten, with only an outer coating of real gold. What’s more, these gold bars, containing serial numbers for tracking, originated in the United States and had reportedly been stored in Fort Knox for years.

stevenjohnhibbs.wordpress.com...

"The Chinese claim that in 1995—during the Clinton administration (Robert Rubin, Alan Greenspan and Lawrence Summers)—between 1.3 million and 1.5 million 400-ounce tungsten blanks were manufactured by a sophisticated refiner in the United States, amounting to more than 16,000 metric tons. Some 640,000 of these tungsten blanks were then gold plated and shipped to Fort Knox, according to the Chinese, where they are said to remain to this day. The Chinese contend that the remaining collection of these 400-ounce fakes was eventually gold-plated and then “sold” into international markets…"



Did anyone ever dig up corroborating evidence of this tale? Refiners name, location, dates, invoice or other related paperwork?

This just sounds so ...... Washington.

Hmm,

So there is not enough Gold in the world to cover the amount of money issued !

So either inflate gold prices to around $15000 an ounce.

OR

Make these fake bars filled with tungsten, that were only ever intended to be traded (giving the illusion there is enough gold to cover all monies).

Is that plausible ?

anyhow what first came
to mind after reading the op

I wonder if those gold bars come from the Federal Reserve or some place close to the same group responsible for the oversight of the gold at Fort Knox.

If you remember, one of the big boys at the IMF almost got put up craps creek because he found out that most of the gold the IMF has been getting (damn quotas) was filled with tungsten too.

So, the fake gold is starting to show up in the public sector. Now everyone will start checking their inventory and i think their are going to be some upset people.

There's no way to "hollow out" the bars and fill them with steel. That gold was pressed around the steel when the bar was fabricated. Any other explanation is just foolish. Tungsten melts at more that 6000 degrees F. Gold melts at just under 2000 degrees F. Not even the reporting on this is accurate.

Not wanting to derail this thread by any means but ... does anyone wonder why we even accept gold as valuable on any level? Why? It doesn't do anything miraculous. It isn't strong by any means. It's shiny. That's about it. Well whoop-dee-doo. So what? I like stones a lot more. Let's make stones our standard.

Or better yet, let's do away with the concept altogether. Doesn't matter what it is, it's a product of Mother Earth anyway, and in that respect it's all of equal value and it can't really be owned now, can it? Let's be fair here.

But you guys know too that under the WTCs at the time of the infamous event there were truckloads of gold being hauled away and allegedly all roads down there led to the Federal Reserve.

No worries. They're about to get what they deserve.

Originally posted by ken10
Make these fake bars filled with tungsten, that were only ever intended to be traded (giving the illusion there is enough gold to cover all monies).

Is that plausible ?

Well, the value of gold changes. So there already IS enough gold to cover the nominal value of all money IF the price of gold in that money goes way up.

Here is a small world, small economy, easy example:

Say there is $100 worth of gold in the world, and $1000 paper cash money in circulation in your economy. So that economy decides to go on the gold standard. What happens? The $100 worth of gold goes up in value to $1000.

A lot of the people who want a gold standard are fools. The rest of them are people who already own gold and want the value of that gold to go way way up.

As for the tungsten plated gold bars, you're giving the big guys too much credit. The purpose is for nothing more clever than ripping people off by selling them fake gold.

Originally posted by CosmicEgg
Not wanting to derail this thread by any means but ... does anyone wonder why we even accept gold as valuable on any level? Why? It doesn't do anything miraculous. It isn't strong by any means. It's shiny. That's about it. Well whoop-dee-doo. So what? I like stones a lot more. Let's make stones our standard.

Or better yet, let's do away with the concept altogether. Doesn't matter what it is, it's a product of Mother Earth anyway, and in that respect it's all of equal value and it can't really be owned now, can it? Let's be fair here.

But you guys know too that under the WTCs at the time of the infamous event there were truckloads of gold being hauled away and allegedly all roads down there led to the Federal Reserve.

No worries. They're about to get what they deserve.

I think it has to do not only with the ancients seeing it as a rarity as well as beautiful, but also because of it's absoluteness. Once it's all been mined, it's all been mined.

reply to post by Bilk22


You could hollow out gold.
But by looking at the pics that's simply not how it was done.

It's a several mm cap of gold.
They probably took a cast of a gold bar.
Modified the cast to be hollow and have a front and back.

Then welded the two parts together.

Link I've been hearing about this for years... But now, if this is real of course, this could be skyrocket gold prices. What makes so devious is a real gold bar is purchased with the serial numbers and papers, then it is hollowed out, the gold is sold, the tungsten is put in, then the bar is closed up. That is a sophisticated operation. MTB, the Swiss manufacturer of the gold bars, said customers should only buy from a reputable merchant. The problem, he admits, is Ibrahim Fadl is a very reputable merchant. Raymond Nessim, CEO Manfra, Tordell & Brookes, said he has reported the situation to the FBI and Secret Service. The Secret Service, which deals with counterfeits, said it is investigating. Here is the FOX NY news link link Looking at the destroyed bar. I'm having a hard time believing that the gold was hollowed out. It looks like a cap of gold was cast and put outside the bar. And then soldered together. No one would hollow out gold like that.

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It looks like a Wonka bar wrapper, but I guess that could be the real deal. If it is indeed legit, I wonder how many of these are in circulation.

That letter from cash 4 gold is hilarious especially the part about the telemarketers...ungreased Hammertime.

Originally posted by CosmicEgg
Not wanting to derail this thread by any means but ... does anyone wonder why we even accept gold as valuable on any level? Why? It doesn't do anything miraculous. It isn't strong by any means. It's shiny. That's about it. Well whoop-dee-doo. So what? I like stones a lot more. Let's make stones our standard.

Or better yet, let's do away with the concept altogether. Doesn't matter what it is, it's a product of Mother Earth anyway, and in that respect it's all of equal value and it can't really be owned now, can it? Let's be fair here.

But you guys know too that under the WTCs at the time of the infamous event there were truckloads of gold being hauled away and allegedly all roads down there led to the Federal Reserve.

No worries. They're about to get what they deserve.

Seriously a thread about fake Gold and you ask why we use Gold instead of another metal or rocks...

and nobody posts this? ATS you are slippin...

reply to post by abeverage


So....an overused meme is the best you can do by way of consideration of my question? Really?
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Yeah, I believe that. It's what passes for "thought" these days.

I wouldn't be surprised if all the gold in Fort Knox is the same way. Nothing we can do about it and the people who did it wouldn't see a day behind bars.