Define Christianity as Hate - The New Homosexual Agenda

Originally posted by halfoldman
Oh Lordy, so gay segregation is justified by some experience or paranoia about using the restroom.

Segregation is a highly polarized word. It refers to separating people based on race. Something that they can't change. We can't change our skin color. But, we can change our behavior.

That ability to change behavior, means that men can choose to classify themselves as gay or straight, and can change that classification "if they change their mind."

A Black person can't "change his mind" and suddenly become White, to get a new classification under segregation. So, that's the big difference.

Please don't confuse the two. It's not fair to those trying to solve the problems of society by proposing realistic solutions that will work.

Now all gay people are approving and guilty of such actions by people who don't even identify as gay.

We're trying to remove the "guilt". A gay person only looks guilty to a straight person. He doesn't look guilty to another gay person. It is the mixing of gay and straight in certain environments that produce the problems, like in restrooms.

I think toilet sex is disgusting and filthy.

I agree with you there. I view the whole homosexual activity the same way. The bible also agrees, and calls this practice an abomination. However, everyone is not like you and me. People have different "tastes" in the society.

One man's poison, is another man's lunch.

Some people would die from eating peanuts, because they have certain allergies. We are not all the same.

I love peanuts. Go figure.

Yes, even the "mile high club" that some straight people seem to celebrate.
I have seen women walking out of cubicles in men's restrooms, so man to man sex isn't the only action.

They get arrested for that too. Women are not allowed in men's restrooms.

Yes, let's judge people by their actions, and not entire groups, because that's exactly what racism does.

But what's the point?

Sure, but racism doesn't care about your actions. It's not about behavior. It's about color of skin only. It's not something anyone could change, even with current technology, Michael Jackson didn't even come close.

Some straight men just magically know all gay people better than gay people know themselves.
They feel they know the truth about people they don't even know.
So let them continue in their ridiculous delusions.

There's no such thing as all people are "this way". Large sections of a group set the patterns of behavior that become characteristic for the group, but it doesn't mean every individual follows them. I'm sure there are gay men who never heard of the restroom protocols of shifting and tapping your foot. There are some heterosexuals who have gotten married, and didn't know what sex was. Such cases seem impossible, but they do exist.

I'd like to stay positive and remember and salute the good straight men.

Salute the good person, wherever you find them, don't discriminate and only salute straight men.

Originally posted by erictcartman
reply to post by Agoyahtah

 

i really dont like you.

That's ok. I know you don't yet understand what I am saying. But, in the coming years, you will see it for yourself.

None of this change happens suddenly. Everything is gradual. Bit by bit, little by little, the society is being transformed.

No one would accept the changes if it were "sudden."

No one can oppose the changes because they are very "gradual."

What I am telling you is where we are actually headed.

You don't like RFID.

I understand. Today, it seems like a bad idea. All that NAZI and stuff.

But, I promise you, tomorrow it will seem like the only idea that makes any sense.

im not buying the #e your selling either.
RFID will see a end to what little personal freedom we have left in the west ,could the reason you are so keen on RFIDs be so that you personally can find gay restrooms where ever you are in the country?

You don't lose your freedom because of RFID. You only lose the ability to break the law.

If you don't like the law, write your congressman or senator, get them to change it into a new law.

All the freedoms you have the right to enjoy, you'll be able to enjoy with your new RFID.

The RFID will guarantee your rights.

That's the whole point. A gay person will be unable to violate the rights of a straight person, and visa versa.

Everybody will be protected.

Originally posted by Agoyahtah

That ability to change behavior, means that men can choose to classify themselves as gay or straight, and can change that classification "if they change their mind."

Since your browser apparently doesn't allow you to use search engines you're welcome. Here is first 3 Google results.

wiki/Sexual_orientation

apa.org/sexual-orientation

healthyminds.org/GayLesbianBisexuals

That's just a cursory glance, but as you see your understanding of sexual orientation is flat out wrong.

You just competely dismiss sexual orientation as if it doesn't exist and define everything by the act of sex. You are wrong. Please read more.

Now since you are stubbornly sticking to the false belief that homosexual orientations is a conscious decision... Please for once sufficiently answer the question you have been asked. Actually answer it...for once. Without circumventing it.

When did you consciously make the decision to be heterosexual? Not when did you decide to ACT on it. When did you consciously decide to have that orientation? Now if you are still confused by what this question is asking it means you didn't read the links

From Wiki

The term sexual preference largely overlaps with sexual orientation, but is distinguished in psychological research.[6] A person who identifies as bisexual, for example, may sexually prefer one sex over the other.[7] "Sexual preference" may also suggest a degree of voluntary choice,[8][9] whereas the scientific consensus is that sexual orientation is not a choice.[10][11][12] There is no simple, single cause for sexual orientation that has been conclusively demonstrated, but research suggests that it is by a combination of genetic, hormonal, and environmental influences,[13] with biological factors involving a complex interplay of genetic factors and the early uterine environment.[14] Research over several decades has demonstrated that sexual orientation ranges along a continuum, from exclusive attraction to the opposite sex to exclusive attraction to the same sex.[4]

reply to post by Agoyahtah


Is that really you in your avatar? In all of your righteousness?

Just a question.

The reason I ask is because the arguments you are making are the same arguments used to justify the stigmatization of certain groups of people.

I don't think that it's invoking Godwin's Law to say that separating homosexuals from the general population is much like pinning a gold star to a Jew. In fact, homosexuals were murdered in the Nazi death camps, along with gypsies and other persecuted segments of the population.

I must warn you, you are treading a dangerous path towards judging others when you do not have the authority to do so. Your religious beliefs do not give you immunity from the same criticism that you lobby towards homosexuals.

You have a fear that you must overcome.

Segregation can take many forms, including age, gender, language, ethnicity and race.

In its negative association it refers mainly to racism, and sexism and homophobia, which all go together (since racism implies double-oppressions both by gender and race for colonized women, or race and sexuality for gay men).
Racism, like homophobia is usually justified by perceived behaviors rather than just the skin color.

I do not concur that one can simply choose to be gay or straight.

I can't think of a single group or theory that argues this today.
Even cult-like ex-gay therapies don't promise anything that easy.

I do not see any references to gay people in the Bible.
There are a few reviled same-sex acts in certain contexts, just as there are many despicable heterosexual acts.
There's nothing on sexual orientation whatsoever (except perhaps Jesus when He describes one of three types of eunuchs as made that way in the womb).
That's your interpretation.

I will salute the straight men who I feel are good men.
There are many straight pigs I will never salute.

But I think you've made an interesting post, and I can't say it's really hateful in any way.

Ultimately one shouldn't stereotype people.

I couldn't stop people breaking the law here.
Some of them think I'm illegal here because of my skin color.
I've seen and heard about many wrong things.
But I know life is too complex to say: "These people from this group are doing something wrong, so now they are the reason I must oppose or hate them all".

Let me tell you, if consenting adults have a bit of heterosexual or homosexual fun I leave them alone.
Who told me sex and sexuality is disgusting and a crime?
If they leave me alone why must I care?
There are real crimes to fear.

We agitated for male rape to become a crime.
In all those years in SA when homosexuality was outlawed, they never made a law against male rape.
Not one Christian group.
When homosexuality is an equal right many things improve.
When homosexuality is driven underground abuse and rape flourishes.

We all navigate life everyday.
We see and experience terrible things sometimes.
Just please, don't take your anger out on a whole group.
Everyone can play that game somehow, and the result is never pretty.

reply to post by Agoyahtah


its not so much that i dont understand what you are saying,its more that i recognize it for the sh*t it is.
as for only criminals need fear rfid thats the line the govenrment uses to make people feel like criminals for not wanting to give any government agency the means to track them where ever they go.
im mean its not like anyone has ever been framed by law enforcement or been renditioned abroad for torture only to turn out innocent of any crime.
Do you really think the alpabet agency's wont be able to program these chips to make the suspect fit the crime?
your ignorance of the personal liberty issues here is staggering.
you may be willing to bend over for a micro chip in a syringe,going by your obsession with public restrooms used by gay men, im sure you would enjoy the experience, but ill fight to the death to keep myself free from that level of government controll.
enjoy being a slave to the nwo.

All religions pagan gnostic abrahamic wiccan masonic satanist luciferian new age are hate but so is homosexuality and heterosexuality.


All based in the conform or be cast out caste

Christianity as well as other religions are based largely on jeolousy, paranoia, control, and discrimination,and phobias. No creator of all would kill humans or send em to hell for punishment. These sicko thoughts and controls come from the human mind, not the mind of god. If there is an after life then there is no need to punish for murder now is there?

Originally posted by VaterOrlaag
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I don't think that it's invoking Godwin's Law to say that separating homosexuals from the general population is much like pinning a gold star to a Jew.

No, no, no. We're not separating homosexuals like the gold star Jew.

We're identifying homosexuals the way we identify men and women today, and treating them the way we treat men and women today. That's the critical point.


Homosexuals are not "self-identifying". Men and women self-identify. They can't help it. They are designed this way.

What homosexuals want is to have the same rights that men and women have today, who are straight, and that is "exactly" what we are trying to accomplish, to the extent that it is possible.

reply to post by Agoyahtah


You still don't get my point.

I'll leave you to your own devices because there really is no need for any of this.

After all, ignorance is too comfortable at times.

Originally posted by halfoldman
Segregation can take many forms, including age, gender, language, ethnicity and race.

You know, women and men are already segregated, everywhere. There are mens restroom, and womens restrooms. There are doctors for male problems, and doctors for female problems. The are women's hospitals, and male hospitals. There are male homeless shelters, and women homeless shelters. There are women's colleges, and all male colleges. There are all male clubs, and all female clubs. We can do on, and on, with this segregation.

They have differences between men and women, the two groups are not the same.

As a result of this, various different "spaces" or "environments" have emerged over the ages, to satisfy the particular needs of one group or the other.

Now we have the emerging gays and lesbians, as two more groups to fit into society.

The gays and lesbians have "segregated themselves" already. They have done this. Or nature has done it. Whatever. The point is, two more "different" groups have now emerged onto the sociopolitical scene.

All the problems that occur in society today, can be traced to "confusion" about a person's identity.

How should we treat the person who is "different" from us?

We already know how to treat people who are the same as us.

We already know how to treat the differences between "men" and "women".

All that's left, is to construct the system to accomodate the new groups: "gays" and "lesbians".

To do that, we must "identify" them, the way we identify men and women, so that they can be properly classified, in order to be sure we treat them the right way, according to their preferences.

That's all folks.

Originally posted by VaterOrlaag
reply to post by Agoyahtah

 

You still don't get my point.

Yes, I know your point.

You're thinking of the past.

In your mind, gays are afraid of coming out, to be identified, because that makes them subject to persecution.

So, you want gays to remain unidentified, hidden, stuck in the closet, and to only come out when they feel comfortable.

But, even in the new system with RFID, the gays can remain in the closet if they wish.

They can fill out the application forms, and claim they are "MEN-RFID", proclaiming they are straight, and carry on in secret as closet gay men. Just as they do today.

The difference is, those who are honest, and get the "GAY-RFID" license, will get all of the "government benefits" that the group is entitled to. They will be able to marry, they will get the tax breaks, they will get to use the GAYS restrooms, etc...

And the closet Gays, who are too afraid to "come out", will have to continue to live as they do today, pretending to be straight, while sneaking around and doing their gay stuff in the dark.And the closet gay will not be able to make passes in restrooms without being arrested like Senator Craig, and so on, while all his secret Gay friends will be having fun in the "gays" restrooms whenever they like without fear of arrest. All the privileges will go to those who believe in themselves and the system.

Whether or not homosexuality is a choice, you get to choose what you want society to think about you, and what privileges you get because of that choice.

That's not like the NAZI star system at all, by any means.

reply to post by Agoyahtah

Well gays and lesbians are not new groups.

The open discourse around gays and homosexuality in general may be new, but for a long time society didn't discuss much sexuality openly at all, except when the church wanted to regulate how married couples could have intercourse, and on which days.
That lasted for a long time.

Well good luck in identifying all the closeted people.

We'd also like to know when you've figured it out.

I could think of major religious misogynists who seem like prime candidates - but I'll leave the detective work in your capable hands.

reply to post by EarthCitizen23


i think we may have reached a consensus you and i.
i dont have a problem with civil legal marriage.
saying not in my church is one thing,saying not anywhere at all is unreasonable.
in the interest of fairness beleiver101 did say to me "but why shouldnt we be allowed to marry in church".

reply to post by Agoyahtah


Strange! I am a gay man and have been for over 50 years and here you are, a straight man, who knows more about how gay men approach each other in public restrooms than I do!

Anything else you would like us to know about you?

reply to post by wiser3


Not only does he know the mind of God, but he knows the minds of people too!

He knows gay people better than they know themselves!

Is pride a sin? I think I read that somewhere.

The only agenda gays have are nice clothes and cute guys.

As for hate and Christianity, it's all in the ratio of Old and New Testament. The more OT in the mix then the hatefulness ramps up. The Old Testament Sky God seems pretty angry with everyone and that's fairly obvious to anyone who has every flicked through a hotel bible waiting for the porn to be activated on the TV.

The sequel, Jesus and the New Testament, is pretty much a feel good film in comparison: a nice guy who'd pretty much do everything for his mates. More of that in the mix and the hatefulness tends to ease off.

I'm no expert desert-based Iron Age religions though so some of the details might be off.

Originally posted by superluminal11
All religions pagan gnostic abrahamic wiccan masonic satanist luciferian new age are hate but so is homosexuality and heterosexuality.


All based in the conform or be cast out caste

Excuse me? Wiccans included in your hate list? Also, I have met at least one follower of Lucifer, and she is very nice, and not hateful at all, and furthermore, I know a few Satanists too, same same. Saying that these religious groups ate "hate" is a direst insult, and shows clearly that you would not know hate if it stared you in the face.

reply to post by Agoyahtah


The point is that as a gay man if there WERE ever gay restrooms there is no way I would go into a straight one just to avoid the off chance that some raving lunatic homophobe decided that I "looked gay" or "looked at him the wrong way. So no need to be chipped!
And by the way I would rather sit with a bladder bursting until I get home to avoid going into public toilets, gay, straight or mixed. They are disgusting places and I wouldn't set foot in them unless I was absolutely desparate!

Foot tapping! Hehehe! You've got all the moves!