Chick-fil-A "non-story" exposes the Hypocritical agenda of LGBT Community.

reply to post by gncnew


It's not really that hard to understand. It's not like opposing bigotry is being a bigot... Chic-fil-A is using is resources to perpetuate it's own agenda, which is the definition of fascism. While I don't -agree- with government imposing personal views onto Chic-Fil-A, I realize hate-rallying is not supported by freedom of speech in this country, and I believe that's what Chic-Fil-A's stance amounts to. Businesses should not be allowed to target a minority group based upon sexual preference and decide to use it's resources to infringe upon their rights, just as they wouldn't be allowed to use their resources to condemn people based upon skin color, creed, ethnicity, gender, etc. I think most of us would rather not repeat the 50's.

reply to post by kaylaluv


Why should I answer all of your questions when you wont even acknowledge that someone else is allowed to have a differing opinion? It's obvious from your posts where you stand and you make no concessions, no attempts to meet any one half way, or to understand or respect a Christians right to fight for what they believe.

Originally posted by WhiteSpectralMirror
reply to post by kaylaluv

 

Why should I answer all of your questions when you wont even acknowledge that someone else is allowed to have a differing opinion? It's obvious from your posts where you stand and you make no concessions, no attempts to meet any one half way, or to understand or respect a Christians right to fight for what they believe.

Yep, just like I thought - you can't/won't answer it. Well, I can answer it if no one else can. This whole thing isn't about defending the traditional Christian marriage. It's about hatred and prejudice of gays. People who hate gays like to use the Bible as justification for their hate and prejudice. They consider gays a threat to their own sexuality. They don't consider satanists or atheists a threat, so they aren't "preaching from the pulpit" to have their legal rights removed.

Originally posted by Annee
And here is more on NOM.

NOM Reminds Us That Both Genders Are Represented in Polygamist Marriages

BY Lucas Grindley - August 06 2012

Marriage equality supporters had been passing around a graphical reminder that the "biblical definition" of marriage includes concubines, polygamists, and slavery. But the National Organization for Marriage has a different take on its meaning.

"Look carefully at the image and you will see that in ALL of the examples, both genders are represented," wrote NOM's Ruth Institute blogger Jennifer Thieme today. "This image reinforces the conservative position about needing a gender requirement, it does not undermine our position."

The graphic was being shared on Facebook to point out that the likes of NOM and Chick-fil-A president Dan Cathy are misrepresenting the "biblical definition" of marriage. Marriage equality opponents say the Bible defined marriage as the union of one man and one woman while ignoring the other definitions it includes. Deuteronomy required any virgin who is raped to marry her rapist, for example. And men routinely had multiple wives (or concubines on the side).

www.advocate.com...

You are misinterepreting Deuteronomy. That scripture is talking about what we would call a "shotgun wedding." It does not force a woman to marry the man. It merely gives the man a way to make it right and honor the girl and her father. Which, not to long ago in this country, was acceptable.
It does not say the father has to accept the money. And It does not say he can not thrash him for violating his daughter.

Only the newer translations use the word "rape" for this verse.

Here is what happens to a man that rapes a woman, Deuteronomy 22:25-27

I wish you people that try and use the bible to make your point understood what you were reading before you spew your nonsence.

reply to post by kaylaluv


So you admit you already had an answer you were trying to force out of people? You can throw around the labels of hate all you want. I believe in the Christian definition of marriage, I also have gay friends. I actually just had a few drinks with a gay fellow while going to my girlfriends favorite establishment. Funny thing is he didn't have the anonymity of the internet and we were able to rationally and fairly discuss this whole Chik-Fil-A crap without being disrespectful. The outcome? We both got drunk and agreed Chik-Fil-A should be the last thing on peoples minds when the country is overall messed up and broke.

reply to post by kaylaluv


Gay marriage is visible, that is the difference. You cant tell someone is an atheist or a satanist by looking at them obviously. There are "christians" out there that are taking some extreme liberties with God's teachings, putting judgement above love. The bible itself says we aren't to judge unbelievers - but it's nice to have a seat on the top of the high horse and I think that goes for all people - christian or not. We are all human and prideful imo.

That said, they dont' represent all christians, or Jesus and God. The don't represent the teachings of the bible. I think any bible following christian would say that homosexuality is sinful, but pride is also sin. As is anger, and hate. Obviously we all fall into these categories and so no christian should ever count themselves before others.....we are ALL guilty. The ones who do I would hesitate to call christians at all.

So to say "christians" hate gay marriage....I dont know.....I dont know if God hates gay marriage. I know He doesn't hate gay people. So anybody who claimed those things I think might need to find a better group of christians to hang out with and learn from....

reply to post by natters


I was going to type of the visibility argument but I figured it was wasted. Also I don't see satanists or athiests running around calling people bigots, full of hate, rednecks, or in the closet for disagreeing with their opinions.

Originally posted by WhiteSpectralMirror
reply to post by kaylaluv

 

So you admit you already had an answer you were trying to force out of people? You can throw around the labels of hate all you want. I believe in the Christian definition of marriage, I also have gay friends. I actually just had a few drinks with a gay fellow while going to my girlfriends favorite establishment. Funny thing is he didn't have the anonymity of the internet and we were able to rationally and fairly discuss this whole Chik-Fil-A crap without being disrespectful. The outcome? We both got drunk and agreed Chik-Fil-A should be the last thing on peoples minds when the country is overall messed up and broke.

I believe in traditional marriage - heck, I AM in a traditional marriage. I also believe in non-traditional marriage, as long as it hurts no one. Gay marriage certainly doesn't hurt me, or my marriage in any way. Atheist marriage doesn't hurt me or my marriage. Satanist marriage doesn't hurt me or my marriage. My marriage is just as solid, no matter who gets married, or why they get married. There are many Christians who agree with me. Maybe your gay friend doesn't want to get married, so it's not that important to him. That's cool - but it is important to many gays.

The great thing about this country is that you are treated the same under the law no matter if you are Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Atheist, Satanist, or Wiccan, black or white, man or woman. Now we just need to add homosexual to that list.

reply to post by gncnew

And more importantly, read the writings and quotes OF the founders.

These wouldn't be the same founders that said there shall be no laws passed in favor of any one religion?

Originally posted by WhiteSpectralMirror
reply to post by natters

 

I was going to type of the visibility argument but I figured it was wasted. Also I don't see satanists or athiests running around calling people bigots, full of hate, rednecks, or in the closet for disagreeing with their opinions.

edit on 6-8-2012 by WhiteSpectralMirror because: (no reason given)

That's because atheists and satanists have equal protections under the laws.

i'm pretty sure homosexuals do too.....someone really needs to point out the horrible wrong doings being done to the LGBT community that aren't done to thousands and thousands of other people....please? Is marriage all you've got? because we all know that that isn't REALLY an issue anymore.....they CAN and DO get married. They are not a special group of people who deserve special treatment. They are simply people, like other people, who are afforded the same human rights as others. And just like other people with other characteristics that single them out they are targeted by hateful losers on a daily basis.

reply to post by gncnew


It's like stop looking for trouble, we know you miss the spotlight but your not "special" anymore.

Originally posted by gncnew

Originally posted by Annee
If Equal Rights is an agenda. Currently - - Equal Right of Legal Government Marriage.

Count me in 100%.

Be alert to anti-gay hate groups trying to claim they are victims.

Chick-fil-A makes chicken sandwiches... they're not quite the "hate group" you're attempting to confer upon them.

True, however they take the money they make and donate to true hate groups. This is the real issue, their Anti-Gay marriage is but the tip of the iceberg.

Originally posted by natters
reply to post by kaylaluv

 

Gay marriage is visible, that is the difference. You cant tell someone is an atheist or a satanist by looking at them obviously. There are "christians" out there that are taking some extreme liberties with God's teachings, putting judgement above love. The bible itself says we aren't to judge unbelievers - but it's nice to have a seat on the top of the high horse and I think that goes for all people - christian or not. We are all human and prideful imo.

So it's just a visual thing that they have a problem with? I thought it was a conceptual thing. Aren't they against the concept of atheists and satanists? Even if you can't tell who they are by looking at them, aren't you still against them in principle? Just knowing that they exist, and that they are allowed the sanctity of marriage? It just seems inconsistent to me that they aren't against atheists and satanists getting married on principle.

So to say "christians" hate gay marriage....I dont know.....I dont know if God hates gay marriage. I know He doesn't hate gay people. So anybody who claimed those things I think might need to find a better group of christians to hang out with and learn from....

No, there are Christians who love and accept gays for who they are. There are Christian churches who are happy to marry gays in the eyes of God. These are the Christians who truly follow the teachings of Christ. They are too few and far between, but they do exist.

reply to post by gncnew


Am I the only one around here

Who doesn't know or care about Chick-Fil-A drama

Seriously.. It's a fast food restaurant. This has to be a joke.

People, please, find something else to do with your time

Originally posted by natters
i'm pretty sure homosexuals do too.....someone really needs to point out the horrible wrong doings being done to the LGBT community that aren't done to thousands and thousands of other people....please? Is marriage all you've got? because we all know that that isn't REALLY an issue anymore.....they CAN and DO get married. They are not a special group of people who deserve special treatment. They are simply people, like other people, who are afforded the same human rights as others. And just like other people with other characteristics that single them out they are targeted by hateful losers on a daily basis.

They don't deserve special treatment - just equal treatment. Most U.S. states will not issue a marriage license to a gay couple, so it is NOT true that all gays can get married. Two atheists can get a marriage license in any state in the U.S., but two gays can't.

There are some states that prohibit discrimination in the workplace based on sexual orientation, but not all. A Muslim is legally protected from discrimination in the workplace in every state in the U.S., but a gay isn't.

Originally posted by kaylaluv

Originally posted by natters
reply to post by kaylaluv

 

Gay marriage is visible, that is the difference. You cant tell someone is an atheist or a satanist by looking at them obviously. There are "christians" out there that are taking some extreme liberties with God's teachings, putting judgement above love. The bible itself says we aren't to judge unbelievers - but it's nice to have a seat on the top of the high horse and I think that goes for all people - christian or not. We are all human and prideful imo.

So it's just a visual thing that they have a problem with? I thought it was a conceptual thing. Aren't they against the concept of atheists and satanists? Even if you can't tell who they are by looking at them, aren't you still against them in principle? Just knowing that they exist, and that they are allowed the sanctity of marriage? It just seems inconsistent to me that they aren't against atheists and satanists getting married on principle.

So to say "christians" hate gay marriage....I dont know.....I dont know if God hates gay marriage. I know He doesn't hate gay people. So anybody who claimed those things I think might need to find a better group of christians to hang out with and learn from....

No, there are Christians who love and accept gays for who they are. There are Christian churches who are happy to marry gays in the eyes of God. These are the Christians who truly follow the teachings of Christ. They are too few and far between, but they do exist.

now I think you're just trying to look smart lol. Seriously.....ok I will break it down into easy bits. It is ALL conceptual. It is ALL sin. The problem is that THEY ARENT LIVING LIKE CHRIST!!! THEY ARE JUDGING! (get it?) Christians are told to not judge unbelievers to keep judgement within the church. Obviously not working, but like i said, we're all humans with issues. Different issues mind you, and pride is a huge issue in and out of the church.

There are churches that marry gays. This is not christian. Churches are not to condone sin within the church. They do obviously - pastors watch porn, marriages are not councelled appropriately and divorces happen etc etc. The problem is not with christianity - the problem lies with humanity. Few people are christian because they fully understand christianity - they are christian because it makes them feel good about themselves, or they grew up that way. Just because they call themselves christians does not mean they follow christ. Christ NEVER condoned sin. He condoned LOVE. We are called to love the gay community as they are. When and if they decide to become followers of Christ, he will do a good work in them, and help them to change how He sees fit. Not how we see fit. I have no idea what His plans might be for these people - some believe He will change their sexuality.....I dont know becuase I'm not a converted homosexual.

But it isn't about religion, it is about relationship. Our relationship with Christ determins our salvation, not what we do in the hopes of being saved. I believe there will be gay people in heaven, just as there will be liars, and murderers, and proud people. The reason they will be there is because they acknowledged their sin and asked Jesus to cleanse them and change their hearts to be more like His. And that heart is love.

And any homosexual christian who acknowledges his homosexuality as a sin against God is probably not going to be looking for a church to get married in. Because that is trying to change God's perception of his sin, instead of changing his perception of sin to line up with Gods. And that's not christian.....

They don't deserve special treatment - just equal treatment. Most U.S. states will not issue a marriage license to a gay couple, so it is NOT true that all gays can get married. Two atheists can get a marriage license in any state in the U.S., but two gays can't.

There are some states that prohibit discrimination in the workplace based on sexual orientation, but not all. A Muslim is legally protected from discrimination in the workplace in every state in the U.S., but a gay isn't.

You realize they can get married in another state. When canada legalized gay marriage they were getting married here......

as for workplace discrimination I wasn't aware that only 1/2 the us states have legislation against sexual orientation discrimination. That's something that should be corrected (and in my quick google search I found that even the catholic church believes that this should be corrected...) Obviously has nothing to do with christians, and everythign to do with judgemental attitudes.