14 year old boy let off after raping 4 year old.

I was playing with Legos at that age and GI-Joe
the modern shows of today really dont help in the good development of kids

how can a 14 yrs old KID turn into a rapist damn im pissed
usualy the parents fault for letting the TV educate their kids

This kid needs to go at a severe Boot Camp
and not be freed like this .. he will probably do worst next time
since he know he have the power to do anything now
and not scared of being punish

reply to post by DeyTookErJeobs


What is a 14yr old doing watching porn? IMO that is the parents fault! Haven't they ever heard of parental filters on their computer?! Apparently not! Another example of bad parenting that gets blamed on everything else but the parents.

When will people take responsibility for their children instead of blaming everything else other than themselves.

The poor little girl and what she will have to deal with for the rest of her life.

Wait what? Porn doesn't cause rape. Otherwise I would be a prolific rapist. Whatever happened to personal accountability? Why are these always pawned off as the fault of society? Well yeah I raped her, but in my defense I just watched some porn. Yeah I killed him, but I was playing violent video games. Ugh.

Worst part is a ruling like this paves the way for more rulings like this.

Originally posted by getreadyalready
If its done correctly, there is no chance of retribution.

That's one of the saddest things I have read on ATS.

Originally posted by ArMaP

Originally posted by getreadyalready
If its done correctly, there is no chance of retribution.

That's one of the saddest things I have read on ATS.

Why? It is true.

The Cold War stayed peaceful based on the assurance of "Mutually Assured Destruction."

Nature has predators and prey. The prey does not attack the predators. I choose not to be a victim.

Almost all crimes are committed by someone affiliated with you in some way. Random crimes are extremely rare. As long as everyone who is even remotely affiliated with me is aware of my level of crazy, and the fact that I do not care what the consequences of my vengeance are, then the chances of someone committing a crime against me or my family are nil.

My statements are deterrents, and hopefully I'll never have to act upon any of them, but that doesn't mean I'm not willing to go way beyond the norm to prove a point. I know this is just the internet, but some of my local friends here are also members of ATS, and my persona does not change much for the audience. People who know me, would not dream of victimizing my family. It wouldn't be pretty. And as long as everyone knows this, peace is maintained.


ETA:
I've never been sued, I've never been robbed, even though my neighbors have been robbed, and even though I've had strangers get hurt at my house. I even heard a twinkling of a rumor once that a lady thought about suing after her little girl jumped off the diving board and missed the huge pool and hurt her shoulder by hitting the side of the pool. She mentioned the thought to a mutual friend, and after a short discussion, she decided it would be a bad idea.

Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by DeyTookErJeobs

 

Sure, the Judge is an idiot, and 14 year old boys do not need porn or anything else to run around wanting to screw anything with a hole in it. 14 year old boys are just walking hormones, but they are supposed to know better. "Wanting to" and actually doing it are entirely different things, and the kid needs severe punishment.

Then again, the father of the little girl grappling with feelings of guilt? HELL YEAH! You don't leave your daughter alone with a 14 year old boy. Who the hell hires a 14 year old boy as a babysitter for a little girl? He should feel guilty. He should also feel guilty that the little rapist ever made it to court. I couldn't live with myself knowing he was still consuming our precious air.

What a bunch of morons, from the parents, to the boy, to the judge. Ridiculous.

Luckily she is only 4, and if her parents can do a little better job in the future, she should be just fine.

How unfair to blame the parents.

The 14 year old boy was a family friend who lived 100 yards down the street. He was trusted by this family. I personally do not see the problem with that. With the exception of raping a 4 year old.. I was this 14 year old kid once. When I was that age, I had a friend named Eric who was also my age. Eric had a little sister who was like 3 or 4..maybe 5 years old at the time. I would hang out at Eric's house a lot and I was close with his family. Eric's dad was an insurance salesman and also worked part time as an E.M.T.. Our families were not very close but Eric's family was very close to me. Eric's father was even one of the E.M.T.'s on the scene when my father died in a car accident.

There were times when Eric's father has to take Eric to his baseball game, or some after school activity and Mom had not made it home yet but was expected home shortly. Since I was at Eric's home anyway, I would be asked to watch his little sister until Mom arrived. It could be 15 mins or it could be 2 hours, there were no cell phones back then. So are you suggesting that if I had raped a child back then, it would be the parents fault for leaving me, a trusted family friend, alone with their daughter?

Sorry but that is absurd! I could understand blaming the parents if they didn't know who the child was. I could understand blaming the parents if they left their child with a stranger or someone who they did not know well. That was not the case here. He was a family friend who lived right down the street. The Father went to watch one of his other children play a sport for an hour or so and left his 4 year old with someone he trusted. So is it the parents fault for trusting someone? That idea is stupid! Your SUPPOSED to trust people whom you've known for some length of time. If you didn't trust that person, then your an idiot for having someone you do not trust in your home to begin with.

Being more on topic with the article itself... blaming porn is also stupid. I had seen porn at that age. I used to look at my older brother's little hidden collection of porn. Porn does not turn people into molesters. Porn does not turn people into anything at all. Porn is fantasy, nothing more. In all the years I have seen porn- not once has some stranger found me so attractive they had to take me right then and there. Not once has the pizza delivery girl come to my home and just had to have me as her tip. What you see in porn- usually does not happen in real life. So I do not buy for a second the "I watch too much porn" defense.

This 14 year old is a criminal. He betrayed the trust of a family in his community and used that position of trust to rape a 4 year old girl. If the criminal justice system won't do something about it.... then someone needs to. I can say with 100% certainty that if this had happened where I live.... that next thing you would see in the news is that the 14 year old has come up missing. I can also say with 100% certainty that if that was my daughter, I would happily be sitting in prison right this second because I would have made that 14 year old disappear myself. He would have been lucky to make it off the courthouse steps before I made my move.

reply to post by MrWendal


Much of what you say makes sense. However I do not agree with some of your last paragraph.

Killing that boy and you sitting in prison does no one any good. You daughter needs you by her side to help her heal and grow...she needs you to be there in person for future protection. She needs you to talk to about what happened and how to heal from it.

If I had a daughter and this happened to her...I would take her and the entire family and move away to another city and state...start over and make sure we all heal.

reply to post by MrWendal


Please realize, I am not attacking you, or saying anything personally bad about you, but I want to take your words and paint a little different picture.

You were a 14 year old boy, that looked at porn, and didn't have a father at home, because of a tragic event, and the neighbors left you alone with their 4 year old little girl?

Luckily you were a good kid, but how would that have looked if you did do something terrible? All the pieces were there, you could have done something terrible, and they could have blamed it on the tragic event, or porn, or just about anything.

I have 2 boys, thank God! But, if I had a 4 year old daughter, I'm not even sure I would let my friends come over, and I sure as hell wouldn't leave a pubescent boy alone with her.

Originally posted by getreadyalready
Then again, the father of the little girl grappling with feelings of guilt? HELL YEAH! You don't leave your daughter alone with a 14 year old boy. Who the hell hires a 14 year old boy as a babysitter for a little girl? He should feel guilty.
.

I'm sorry, what? A tad sexist don't you think and also painting all 14 year olds as child rapists, which they bloody well aren't.

I was babysitting at 14 and always for girls. Not once did I try to rape, fiddle with or otherwise give in to my "hormones". Yours is a gross generalisation bordering on discrimination.

As for the OP, this is totally disgusting that he got away with it. I hope that the CPS decides to appeal that sentence as it sends out totally the wrong message.

It's one thing to assault a grown woman, quite another a tiny child

Originally posted by sayzaar
You're sick of which country ? It would help if you said

It happen in the UK.

I'm hoping that the 14 year old parents had beat the scrape out of him.

reply to post by stumason


You got me, I'm sexist. I believe women are better caretakers and mothers and babysitters, and men are better at other things like wrestling alligators. I would never hire a male nanny, not even to watch my two boys. Just wouldn't happen. It is sexist, no denying that, but it is what it is, I think male babysitters are weird.

reply to post by getreadyalready




At least you're honest enough to admit it!

Personally, I don't see the problem. Men can be as caring as women. I get quite defensive about claims to the contrary as I was a single parent for some years prior to meeting my fiancée and even now, I am around far more than my partner for our 2 year old boy, owing to my shifts.

Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by stumason

 

You got me, I'm sexist. I believe women are better caretakers and mothers and babysitters, and men are better at other things like wrestling alligators.

I would never hire a male nanny, not even to watch my two boys. Just wouldn't happen. It is sexist, no denying that, but it is what it is, I think male babysitters are weird.

To bring a good balance when educating a kid
both parent are egualy important at this very difficult job
when both are there .. everything are more easier and bring a certain stability to the kid

Of course they blamed "society"... if they had of held the boy accountable for his sexual decisions then they would have to admit all kids 14 years or older should be held accountable for their sexual decisions... meaning if a 14 year old girl had consensual sex with an 18 year old boy, they would have to say the girl is responsible for her sexual decisions, and they couldn't punish the boy and charge him with rape.

Once again, no personal responsibility. Point the finger and lay the blame. This boy at minimum needs to be locked up in a treatment facility for a few years. Its a disgusting travesty of justice.

Originally posted by getreadyalready
And more idiocy!

Her daughter, who is now five, knows 'something horrible' happened but doesn't understand what. The girl is likely to have counseling as she grows up to deal with the long-term effects of the ordeal, but both parents are 'worried' about what her future now holds.

Really? How does she know? Because they TOLD HER! All she knows is the boy was mean to her, and hurt her. Its over now, there is no need for her to have to deal with it for life, but the idiot parents, and idiot counselors are not going to let her just forget about it, NO, instead they are going to explain to her just how horrible it was, and how horrible she should feel, and they are going to make sure and keep reminding her as she gets old enough to understand it.

edit on 6-7-2012 by getreadyalready because: (no reason given)

No.

Rape victims, even very young victims, know what happened and it's never forgotten. She already knows something horrible happened, not because they told her, but because she experienced it. First the actual assault, which would be terrifying and physically painful. Then I'm assuming at some point she's questioned extensively by her parents, then doctors and lawyers and police officers.

She needs to be in counseling now to help mitigate the trauma. But this is something she will face for the rest of her life.

Sexual abuse doesn't "go away.". I know.

I'm probably going to get crucified for pointing this out, but I find it a little suspicious that the Daily Mail has only named the judge, and nobody else who was involved. I've searched the judge's name on The Guardian and The Independent sites, and no mention of the case there.
The Daily Mail is also quite blatantly using this case to bolster their campaign to censor online pornography.

Now, I don't like pornography myself, neither do I ever access it, but using an horrific story like this to pointscore and further some moral agenda is just f**ked up.

ANY person (unless they are proved to be mentally incompetent) that rapes a child or grandchild of mine will be found floating in a nearby body of water. We cannot rely on the courts to make the right decision.

reply to post by XeroOne


Juveniles.