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Originally posted by kaylaluv
I believe I did just that. Did you not read my entire post?
Originally posted by FlyersFan
Originally posted by kaylaluv
I believe I did just that. Did you not read my entire post?
Yep .. And I'm encouraging more ... have at it .... it's too hot to do much of anything else. Let's rip open all the POTUS' self selling books and their made up stats and facts. Considering we are talking about politicians, that'll keep us busy all afternoon!
Originally posted by FlyersFan
Question ... On this thread you took Romney to task for supposedly telling lies.
But here we actually have Obama telling lie after lie after lie. Real lies that are verified.
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Romney's lies about not making money on abortions ...
I haven't seen one lie verified. I've seen words like "unlikely" and "doubtful".
Originally posted by FlyersFan
You say you don't care about Obama's lies,
You say you don't care about these things. If it were Bush43 acting like this would you then care?
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Autobiography is rarely completely true.
Originally posted by brianmg5
Originally posted by jibeho
Originally posted by brianmg5
reply to post by FlyersFan
I read the article before I found your post. I wasn't criticizing the content of your story I was criticizing your source. You come attempting to deliver information to an audience (some of which already agree with you, some of which don't) in order to show them all what you found and you use Fox News as your source? Good luck reaching anyone who doesn't agree with you as your source has zero credibility as the political spinning arm of Rupert Murdoch.
Anyone with half a brain isn't going to read what you've posted because they'll assume it's just more lies or bias from Fox News.
You do realize that Fox is just reporting the information from trusted sources as you read in the article. You could easily read the same article from Reuters if they had the balls to publish it.
Have you read "Dreams"?
Did you read about Obama admitting to the creation of composite girlfriends in his book?
Attacking Fox just to attack Fox is a child's game. Attack the information that they are conveying. Prove that they are wrong. Better yet prove that Obama is not a liar.
Just go watch MSNBC and you'll be just fine BTW I quoted them regarding Michelle's major revelation just to appeal to the "faux news" haters.
Too Funny!!
Not attacking fox, just saying they're not a credible source of info. It doesn't matter if the material is true or not, no one can really know because it's from Fox. I would say the same thing if it was quoted from CNN or MSNBC.
Prove that Obama is not a liar? Prove that any politician throughout history isn't a liar... Politicians lying is not news, it's the norm. Name one president throughout our history who hasn't lied.
So you're saying that you posted information from fox news to frustrate a specific section of your audience? Why are you trying to frustrate your audience? Or are you here for stars, slaps on the back, and confirmation of your beliefs instead of honest debate? Maybe you're just here to make political jabs, aka trolling?
Who's being childish here?
edit on 5-7-2012 by brianmg5 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by kaylaluv
Why single Obama out? Why not admit that his autobiography is no more untrue than any other president's autobiography/memoirs?
Many of Bush's literary misdemeanors exemplify pedestrian sloth, but others are higher crimes against the craft of memoir. In one prime instance, Bush relates a poignant meeting between Afghan President Hamid Karzai and a Tajik warlord on Karzai's Inauguration Day. It's the kind of scene that offers a glimpse of a hopeful future for the beleaguered nation. Witnessing such an exchange could color a president's outlook, could explain perhaps Bush's more optimistic outlook and give insight into his future decisions. Except Bush didn't witness it. Because, as he himself writes later in the book, he wasn't at Karzai's inauguration.
www.huffingtonpost.com... &utm_content=FullStory&utm_term=Daily+Brief#s180911&title=Tommy_Franks
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In possibly the greatest advance in literary criticism since the invention of papyrus, former president Jimmy Carter has been slapped with a $5 million law suit over alleged inaccuracies in his controversial 2006 book Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid
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Clinton's former advisor Dick Morris wrote a rebuttal named Because He Could, criticizing My Life. In the book, Morris presented what he believed to be factual inaccuracies of different events depicted in My Life.[4]
en.wikipedia.org...
I could go on and on....
Originally posted by Annee
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Autobiography is rarely completely true.
When I get together with my 2 daughters - - who are now both in their 40s - - and we reminisce about our early life.
Its like we all lived completely separate lives. I swear we must all slip in and out of alternate universes - - - because I have a completely different recollection of shared events - - and each of them have completely different versions of the same event.
Personal memory "truth" - - definitely seems to be a subjective phenomenon.
Honestly - - I think we have a lot to learn on how the brain memory works.
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
My position is that whatever "lies" he has told in this book are irrelevant to his presidency. They are lies about irrelevant stuff. His parent's marriage, who left whom, a girlfriends' name... Stuff that doesn't matter.
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Autobiography is rarely completely true.
This is a good explanation of what I mean by author, Robert Stone:
Source
Question: Can memoirists ever avoid fictionalizing themselves?
Robert Stone: No, I don't think they can, because as soon as you change something from life to language, you're changing it. You're changing it in this ineluctable way. It isn't the same. It's something different. And when you put it into language. Even if memory didn't distort, which memory does, you're still changing it. You can't help it.
Originally posted by FlyersFan
You don't think people voted for him based on his life 'story' and the image he projected from it?
.
Originally posted by TheTardis
There is a big difference though in recalling the same event from different viewpoints and completely fabricating a story. I do know what you are saying but fabricating details isnt the same as just varied perspectives.
Originally posted by OutonaLimb
Obama is a fraud, from top to bottom. He is a puppet and a front and people
need to start looking at the powers behind him, responsible for his meteoric
rise to stardom.
This is a magicians trick. Keep us focused on the left hand, while the
right hand gets on with business.
Originally posted by Annee
Originally posted by FlyersFan
You don't think people voted for him based on his life 'story' and the image he projected from it?
.
I didn't.
I voted for him because of his intelligence and that he is a methodical thinker.
He said he would form committees and address each issue by carefully studying it - - - and only then would a decision be made to act on recommendations.
Do I think he lied during campaigning? NO. I think he is a good guy and believed in what he proposed - - - as much as possible in a presidential campaign. Same as everyone else.
First you have to get elected to affect change. NO ONE is gonna get elected without playing the political campaign game. NO ONE.
Did Obama have full knowledge of what it is to be president. Doubtful. EVERY new president who emerges from that first briefing looks like death. NO ONE knows what is revealed to them in that first briefing after being elected. It must be a life changer though - - from the toll it takes on each one of them.
The presidency is a team - - - it is not one person. Obama is not going to get everything he wants - - - anymore then citizens are going to get everything they want.