Global Cooling: be very afraid

David Archibald, one of Australia's most brilliant polymaths recently delivered
a scary presentation on global cooling, entitled 'Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse' to the Institute of World Policy in Washington DC, where he is a visiting fellow.

The four horsemen, i.e. great challenges the world will soon have to face, are a

• Decreasing extraction of oil, causing growing prices of energy and, by extension, food;

• Pakistan's nuclear weapons program, which threatens proliferation and, perhaps, even a nuclear war in the region;

• Rapid population growth in the Middle East and North Africa coupled with higher food imports in those regions, which spells mass starvation; and

• A 210-year climate cooling cycle.

The Telegraph

If his analysis of declining sunspot activity is correct, then global mean temperatures are going to decline by about 2 degrees C by 2040 – completely undoing all that lovely beneficial (but rather meagre 0.8 degrees C) global warming we have experienced in the last 150 years.

It will mean longer, colder winters and cooler summers.

But far worse than the discomfort will be the effect it has on grain production.

The shift in latitudes at which corn and wheat can be grown will be the equivalent of losing a belt 300 kilometres wide all around the world, leading to the loss perhaps 400 million tonnes per annum of grain.

Still there will be at least one consolation.

Phil Jones, Michael Mann, James Hansen and Al Gore will all, most likely, still be around to see their entire religious belief system collapsing around their ears.

interesting topic, iv seen this prediction before,

but i wont be afraid

Why would we be afraid? Human beings have adapted and survived both extremes in the past and we will again! There is no need to fear monger over the changing climate. It is natural and to be expected. What we have to be is PREPARED not scared.

reply to post by ollncasino


Oh yay, another thread to "de-bunk" global warming.

Give it up, deniers/debunkers.

While you forecast doom and gloom, others are looking for solutions to help humanity adapt.

Originally posted by The Sword
reply to post by ollncasino

 

Oh yay, another thread to "de-bunk" global warming.

Give it up, deniers/debunkers.

While you forecast doom and gloom, others are looking for solutions to help humanity adapt.

According to Climate depot, sea ice at the north pole is on the increase, summer and winter, what does that mean?

Let it snow Let it snow Let it snow ...Denier here ..Well its a good things are going to change for Al ..Can you imagine how much money he would have lost on his coastal properties ? I suppose he could have make another in convenient truth to cover the losses,but seeing that wont be necessary he can change his focus on other things ...I will be interesting to see his next cause ....maybe it could be about the decline of the mosquito and the consequences it will have on fish farmers ...who knows ? .......peace

also there has been a Cache of historical Arctic sea ice maps discovered ...WUWT has a article with his take on them .. wattsupwiththat.com...-62500

reply to post by The Sword


Oh really? Like tax everyone? Yeah that will work! Besides why on earth are you so sure you could even do anything about the earths natural cycles? Should we be doing anything about it? And look at our track record when we do intervene with nature!

The earth has survived all sorts of cataclysmic events! How arrogant do you need to be to feel that us puny humans can change a god damn thing?

I say just let the earth be and get on with our lives!

reply to post by mee30


What natural cycles?

None of us were around that long ago.

How are we so sure that these cycles are natural>

If the cycles are not natural then it has to be either the Iranians or the Israeli's ..Then again green piece are saving whales and every one knows how much those giant creatures are warming the ocean's ...Peter Glick could probably get a big grant to make a computer model that shows how water might be very important for the survival of life on earth ...He does seem to have a need to redeem himself ...

Originally posted by ollncasino

Hmmm... This graph looks even less convincing than Mann's hockey stick. I wouldn't put too much faith in it unless the methodologies for producing that graph are explained in detail. A mere decline in sunspots is certainly not going to have such dramatic drops in temperature. Why does it drop so fast, then level out, then drop again? Very strange indeed. I look forward to a proper explanation, but somehow I don't think we'll get one.

reply to post by The Sword
You have it mixed up I'm afraid. People like us who you disparagingly refer to as 'deniers' are not the ones preaching "gloom and doom". On the contrary – we're the ones saying that you have nothing to worry about from harmless plant-food. That's exactly what CAGW-advocates like Hansen are doing with their seemingly endless, science-less and unsubstantial apocalyptic prognostications. In the 1970's the big-scare was Global Cooling blamed on industrialization and since that didn't materialize the Eco-alarmists were forced to change their game-plan and decided that Global Warming was what we should all be now fearing, regardless of what the science says.

One of the most outspoken and prominent exponents of CAGW-alarmism (as far as my meagre knowledge of who has said what on the world scene extends) is none other than the head of the UN’s IPCC, Rajendra Pachauri, himself. When the leader of that powerful political body vociferously advocates the worldwide implementation of ‘education’ programs designed specifically to create in the minds of tender-aged schoolchildren alarm and concern, if not outright terror, about the impending death of the planet through man-made climate change, I do not see how it is possible to deny rationally that CAGW-alarmists are not the ones preaching 'gloom and doom' instead of skeptics.

It would appear doom mongering comes in cycles, like fashion.

(1960s- Early 70s) - Resource depletion (predicted we'd be out of oil metals/food by now, see Soylent Green.

(1970s/Early 80s) - Global cooling aka the Sixth Winter. Were all doomed in new ice age apocalypse

(80/90/00s) - Global warming. we're all doomed in a desert planet apocalypse.

I didn't realise the 1970s had come back around so soon. Is it time for kipper ties and flares again?


its funny how the solution is always anti-people but the problem changes.

reply to post by The Sword


Well we were not around to see the dinosaurs either, so are you saying that perhaps they did not exist?

There is evidence in ice core samples to show that we have had ice ages and warm periods before. Or are you saying that this is not true?

If you can not trust this type of evidence (and I'd somewhat agree with you) then you sure as hell can not trust the computer models that are used to predict the future! Can you?

And how do you think taxing everyone is going to make a blind bit of difference? All it is doing is making certain companies very wealthy! These taxes will obviously be passed down the line to the end user/consumer, that is you and me!

Some times I think the people in the US are against the idea of global warming just because of a tax....

If this tax did not exist and and in it's place there was a Anti-Green Tax... almost everyone here would be claiming that Al Gore was the second coming of Christ and going green all the way. (and Al Gore is no saint and I can't understand all the important you give him, even when you call him names).


I believe in Global Warming, my believe is based in scientific facts, not in the existence of a tax.


I'm ready to accept other ways of thinking (even when I do not agree with them) but only if they are based on science, not in taxes.

It's really silly when some one says: "I do not believe In global warming because I do not agree with the tax" or "I think global warming it's an excuse to create a tax"
I guess if the US government needs to make you believe in something, he just needs to create a tax over the opposite concept/idea.
You are very easy to manipulate aren't you.

In Alberta I never ever seen a warmer winter like what we had this year. But here's the catch. I noticed that our summers are cooling down, it was very wet and cold last year. We are into May and they are gonna be calling for snow on friday. I will not be suprised if it snows in June nor July or in August. Our regular growing season is close to a month behind schedule.

In Portugal we are having winter weather ... because we had Spring in Winter time. We had almost 3 months with none to little rain and now it's raining all over the country... and we just had a tornado today (just a small one and because we do not build timber houses, the damage was small except for the trees and some roofs).
Just look at this map and forecast: www.meteo.pt...

The aftermath of the tornado if someone is interested.



It's not getting colder, the seasons are getting different. I should be going to be beach by now... and I'm still in winter clothes. But there whore beach days during the winter, and that is not normal.

reply to post by Feiticeira


I'm guessing this is aimed at me although you did not reply to me...

You miss the point! The person I replied to stated that people are trying to do things to stop global warming! I said how? By taxing? It will not stop anything! The companies can BUY carbon credits and then pass those costs onto the consumer! So if you do believe in global warming then TAX is not the answer!

I'm in the UK btw...

Also your FACTS are not facts at all! They are skewed graphs and computer models! There is as much so called science against the whole global warming as there is for it! It is in fact you that is easily manipulated and your reasoning and logic is highly flawed! You can't even follow a discussion for a start or understand the points raised within it, so how can I take your opinion seriously?

Have you looked into climategate? google it!

reply to post by Feiticeira


www.guardian.co.uk...

wattsupwiththat.com... n-of-global-sea-level-over-the-past-100-years/

[url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2055191/Scientists-said-climate-change-sceptics-proved-wrong-accused-hiding-truth-colleague.html[/ url]

I'm sorry but you are being scammed big time! Strange weather events happen all the time! I remember as a kid, sometimes we would get very severe winters then sometimes very mild winters. It's always been like that.

reply to post by mee30


And again you are making it about taxes.
For the sake of this conversation forget the taxes.
Can you do that?


- I can feel the global warming in my skin: When I was a kid I could around without sun screen. Now I have to use it always and in massive amounts during the Summer. ( I have the extremely light skin).
- The sea level it becoming higher each year. I live near the sea, in Algarve. I can see it with my own eyes.
- Winters are getting really soft and with less rain... I can see that to.


And then there are the hard science facts. The ones you pretend, are not real...

Originally posted by mee30
reply to post by Feiticeira

 

www.guardian.co.uk...

wattsupwiththat.com... n-of-global-sea-level-over-the-past-100-years/

[url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2055191/Scientists-said-climate-change-sceptics-proved-wrong-accused-hiding-truth-colleague.html[/ url]

How about posting links to real sources.
Sensationalist magazines do not count.
I want science not science fiction