Global Cooling: be very afraid

reply to post by Feiticeira


Lol oh so now that I have discounted your whole tax argument you no longer want to talk about it? I see, I see...

Nothing you mention is science fact, just your opinions that are tainted by your already belief in global warming. Have you measured any of the sea level rises? Have you measured any of the temperatures? Nope! You just have the feeling!

Non of it is science! You have fair skin and as you're getting older it is less tolerant to the sun, well what a surprise!

The articles I linked to are talking about science FACTS! Unlike your feelings! Have you even read the articles? Nah, thought not. So give me a minute and I'll pick some science out for you okay?

I watched the local news tonight. Here in NC, we are in the upper 80s and low 90s. But that is not a record for May 2. The 3 hottest days of the last hundred years were 1955, 1938, 1958....

Now if we were truly experiencing global warming... seems to that some of those hottest days ever should have fallen within the last 10-20 years... BUT they DID NOT.

Likewise, if we are truly going into a cooling period... then it will be more along the lines of winters that most old people remember... including my parents. Even in NC, they remember winters with frequent heavy snows and plenty of cold days that were ideal for killing hogs and putting up meat and even cutting ice out of some of the rivers...

So it will go back to the way things used to be...OK.

Ever heard of the mini-ice age? Middle ages up to the mid 19th century... the reason why Germans started making beer and Irish started growing potatoes..

There is nothing new under the sun.

reply to post by Feiticeira


From the first article...

Bristol University glaciologist Prof Jonathan Bamber, who was not part of the research team, said: "The very unexpected result was the negligible mass loss from high mountain Asia, which is not significantly different from zero."

I guess the professor doesn't know anything right?

The melting of Himalayan glaciers caused controversy in 2009 when a report from the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change mistakenly stated that they would disappear by 2035, instead of 2350. However, the scientist who led the new work is clear that while greater uncertainty has been discovered in Asia's highest mountains, the melting of ice caps and glaciers around the world remains a serious concern.

Oops, what an error! lol They were predicting what would happen over 300 years in the future? They can't accurately predict what happens a few weeks into the future let alone 300 years! Ridiculous!

The scientists are careful to point out that lower-altitude glaciers in the Asian mountain ranges – sometimes dubbed the "third pole" – are definitely melting. Satellite images and reports confirm this. But over the study period from 2003-10 enough ice was added to the peaks to compensate.

Oh dear!

His team's study, published in the journal Nature, concludes that between 443-629bn tonnes of meltwater overall are added to the world's oceans each year. This is raising sea level by about 1.5mm a year, the team reports, in addition to the 2mm a year caused by expansion of the warming ocean.

So you have noticed the 1.5 mm rise in your sea? Yeah okay pal!

Even in the article they are still trying to scare monger! It's not working with me, sorry!

reply to post by mee30


If you are in England you should go to bed, it's 02.10 a.m. (the same as in Portugal).

Tomorrow you can read this: solar-center.stanford.edu...



I'm going to bed to. I'll talk with you tomorrow. And don't say I do not want to talk. If you want to continue to follow imaginative articles in questionable newspapers/magazines... I can talk about science fiction with you.
Actually I love science fiction.
I guess it's a book about a parallel Earth... a Earth where the laws of science are different, a place where imagination comes true, even if an idea makes no sense at all.
Nice book... where can I buy it?

reply to post by Feiticeira


From the second article...

new peer reviewed analysis: “worldwide-temperature increase has not produced acceleration of global sea level over the past 100 years”

Peer Reviewed! But this is not science to you right?

J. R. Houston† and R. G. Dean‡ †Director Emeritus, Engineer Research and Development Center, Corps of Engineers, 3909 Halls Ferry Road, Vicksburg, MS 39180, U.S.A. [email protected] ‡Professor Emeritus, Department of Civil and Coastal Civil Engineering, University of Florida, Gainesville, FL 32611, U.S.A. [email protected] Without sea-level acceleration, the 20th-century sea-level trend of 1.7 mm/y would produce a rise of only approximately 0.15 m from 2010 to 2100; therefore, sea-level acceleration is a critical component of projected sea-level rise. To determine this acceleration, we analyze monthly-averaged records for 57 U.S. tide gauges in the Permanent Service for Mean Sea Level (PSMSL) data base that have lengths of 60–156 years. Least-squares quadratic analysis of each of the 57 records are performed to quantify accelerations, and 25 gauge records having data spanning from 1930 to 2010 are analyzed. In both cases we obtain small average sea-level decelerations. To compare these results with worldwide data, we extend the analysis of Douglas (1992) by an additional 25 years and analyze revised data of Church and White (2006) from 1930 to 2007 and also obtain small sea-level decelerations similar to those we obtain from U.S. gauge records.

Hmmm guess this isn't science either right? I won't waste anymore time with you, you have your religion and you will stick to it! You will not deal with the science nor the facts! Just that you need sun cream and you're fair skinned! If you are up for a real debate, let me know okay?

reply to post by Feiticeira


The more the idiots pipe on the global warming bandwagon the more they become blind to climate change. It is a fair assessment that climate change may not be all due to human activities but denying that humans have a significative impact in changing weather patterns, altering the chemistry of the atmospheres and even shifting temperature stabilizers like large florets, rivers and water basins or even altering the reflectivity of large portions of soil, is just crazy refusal to look at reality.

It is clear to anyone beyond 20 years that the weather is becoming extremely inconstant. No one needs large graphs to realize that. pumping CO2 even if only having a moderate impact in climate is increasing acidification in the oceans. I do agree that most of the global warming solutions are shams, carbon trading is the major one, its the 1% shifting responsibility and taking advantage of those that need yet to industrialize properly.

One thing that I've seen as a good solution is iron seeding of the oceans, it may be a delay tactic (and costly) but it makes the oceans bloom with life and ultimately helps long lasting carbon capture.

One other solution would be dropping plastic to use wood, especially from fast growing trees (not eucalyptus a plague in Portugal) but with the demographics issues we have we probably have no fertile land to implement such a drastic change, no one I know prefers plastics over beautiful warm wood...

reply to post by Feiticeira


Now you want to tell me when to go to bed? lol. You also bring me an article that contradicts itself within the first paragraph! Also it is talking about 2006! We are now in 2012 and I'm bringing you the latest research! Not opinions or fantasy as you will like to say!

No point coming back to be honest, you just want to use ad-hom and not reason nor evidence! Only outdated predictions that I've already disproven! So whats the point?

reply to post by ollncasino


So who predicted this? I know that an ice age will be the result of the global warming if the earth is to survive but I can't see a person even try to predict when it is going to start. I see no research to show where he gets his ideas from. Anybody can make a prediction and can find evidence to back it up from somewhere. Rarely do they work out though. I'll put my money on climate swings and worse weather, but still warmer overall for a while yet.

At the end of this solar cycle we may have some bad winters around here for a couple of years. It follows a pattern that occurs every four solar cycles. I am only looking at local weather information though, not world climate. Now there have also been man made environmental changes so I don't know if this will even happen anymore.

reply to post by mee30



This just says that the sea level is rising slower... but it's still rising.
They do not denie Global Warming

Besides global warming does not mean that the ice will melt. Global warming is changing the weather standards, thing are getting different.
The weather is like a living ecosystem, this ecosystem is getting of balance and anything unpredictable can happen.

reply to post by Panic2k11


Well I think it is crazy to say that something as puny as humans could ever effect the climate to a large enough scale. Considering we have forces at work on earth such as super volcanoes that have pumped out more co2 that the whole of human history!

We are agreed on the tax.

You are on about messing even more with the planet! We have a very bad track record when we decide to intervene with mother nature! She's been doing her thing for millions of years! Let her carry on! I mean they are on about pumping crap into the atmosphere to reflect the sunlight and all sorts! Just leave it alone! lol

We are in agreement with switching back to wood and dropping plastic. Purely because I prefer wood!

It seems I will get more sense from you... Do you not see that we do not know the effects our meddling will have? Who would you rather bet on? Mother nature (been around for millions of years) or humans? Who think they can predict the climate 300 years into the future but make a "mistake" and say its only 20 some years into the future?

I do believe in climate change, the climate is ALWAYS changing! It's such a silly non-sense term yo be honest.

We have always had freak weather patterns, just now they focus on it and make out like it's our fault!

reply to post by Feiticeira


At least now you come back with a reasonable argument!

Okay the first article was to show that the himalayas has lost no ice for 10 years! They admit that! So do you noe admit that it is science?

The second article was to show there has been no sea level rise either.

Just think about it for a moment, 1.5mm? But you think you noticed the sea level rise. Surely you can see that your perception has been altered by the scare mongering? In fact the second article explains why it is in fact a rise of 0.15mm. But even taking the worst case of 1.5mm there is no way on earth your eyes noticed that! Is there?

reply to post by Panic2k11


In Portugal most supermarkets stoped to give away free plastic bags. People can pay for biodegradable plastic bags and they can get new ones for free if they bring the old ones to trade them. We only use paper bags for bread (it keep the bread worm).

And you are right, "Eucalipto" is a plague. But the biggest menace are the forest fires in the Summer.

reply to post by Feiticeira


Oh and btw no, global warming means that the global temps are consistently rising! That is what the faked hockey graph tried to prove (see climategate to show how it was faked, it came out in leaked e-mails). Anyway now there is proof that the temps have not risen for the past 10-15 years! I can find the articles if you like? So after that they switched to "climate change" Which could mean anything they want it to! But of course our climate is and was always changing.

Yes we live in an ecosystem and the earth corrects itself! Up and down, up and down. This is climate change! You think there has been a point in time where the temps and sea level stayed perfectly the same every year? Come on!

reply to post by Feiticeira


Now forest fires are a "menace" Jesus christ! Actually forest fires are good because it promotes new growth and puts nutrients back into the ground! Plant life flourishes after a fire! Forest fires are naturally occurring, though humans have emulated this as they have seen the benefits and copied!

Honestly dude what I'm saying is great! It means that everything is just fine! Seriously it is! I remember when there were predictions that whole cities would be under water by now! Where are these cities? Everything is just fine!

reply to post by mee30


We wouldn't be having this discussion about mans destruction of the world if we didn't have opposible thumbs which allowed us to build huge equipment and explosives of many kinds. Man is the biggest animal since dinosaurs roamed this world when you add in all the stuff he has built. Have you ever seen a modern mining operation? Have you seen road equipment at work? Have you seen all the aircraft in the sky every day? Man is far from puny. I think we may be the most destructive species that ever existed here on earth.

reply to post by mee30


The rise in sea level is not the same all over the world.
There are veritables that determine the faster or slower rise in each region.


The paper is based on research made in the US... my position stands.
The sea level is rising... the paper admits to that. The paper just says that it's going slower in the US.
It does not speak about Portugal or many other countries.

reply to post by mee30


Mr Polluter I'm going to bed. It's 3 a.m. I have to work tomorrow.

I see your final goal is the destruction of our planet!
Fantastic!!!!


I'll talk to you tomorrow.

reply to post by rickymouse


Did you not hear me? Super volcanoes have put out more co2 than human HISTORY! The earth can cope just fine with us, it has put up with far worse! Everything that is built comes from where exactly? The earth! It's all part of earth, we merely work with the building blocks it provides.

Now if we were going to talk about the dangers of nuclear power we would be on to something! We're dumping nuclear waste into barrels, that stuff has a half life of thousands of years! We're polluting future generations! Not to mention the disasters that occur when they go up!

In Australia Five years ago, the great river Murray was drying up, heatwaves were regular, Rain didnt come, crops died etc etc. After 10 years of drought, the end time was coming.

Almost like switching a light on, Suddenly the Summers were cold, It Snowed in Melbourne 3 years ago on Christmas day..in Summer. Weve had floods up the ying yang for the last 2 odd years, the great inland salt lakes are full, wildflowers and animal life is everywhere, normally dry inland creek rivers and creek are running etc etc...

The Earth Has its cycles...Australia for at least the past 250 years has had about a 10 year drought then wet cycle...it is tied in with the Southern Hemisphere..El Nena, El Ninio ocean cycles.

We cannot compare what the Earth is like Now, to millions of years ago, because Mother is constantly changing, and Father (the Sun) is constantly changing and both aging...add to that the effect of comets etc etc.

As and aside..consider where ALL the water is going??

Human bodies are madeup of around 60-78% of pure water (fat people more .
In 1900 there were 2 billion people??
Now there is 7 Billion people??....That is a SHIP load of water walking around on two legs.....
Just think about that for a moment people.....thats...80 -150+ pounds of WATER per person...!!!

reply to post by Feiticeira


So what is the sea level rise in Portugal? As you know so much about it? lol

Mr polluter? I'm 31 I do not drive and I have been on holiday 3 times in my life! What were you saying?

I'm realistic! You would do much more damage than I my friend.