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Originally posted by Bodaciouschief
Leave it to the guy with a spikes tactical logo for his sig. I can't think of anything to add to this discussion that this man, and Domo, and many others haven't already said for me.That being said. It would not be an easy ordeal for either side,and if the government were to overcome the American citizens,it would come at a great cost. Molon Labeedit on 4/5/12 by Bodaciouschief because: typo
You don't need 40 guns. No one does. You've just become a collector. That's fine, if the world was full of people that treated guns like artwork, but the high murder rate in America shows that's not the case... America's murder rate is 4x higher than European ones and most of those are committed with guns and most of those guns are hand guns.
If America made hand guns illegal the amount of murders committed with hand guns would drop exponentially for a decade, at least.
Originally posted by captainnotsoobvious
reply to post by SprocketUK
You apparently just don't know what's going on in the US. The FBI was recently told they could suspend all laws if they wanted to, in the US, the government can easily spy on all your communication in the US, and search you, no probs, and enter your house, because after the patriot act, getting a no-knock warrant is dead simple.
In the US I had cops, on two separate occasions, threaten to plant evidence on me, if I didn't agree to let them search my car (as part of routine traffic stops).
And you're just uninformed about the state of the US...
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Originally posted by BenReclused
I feel left out! How about the stats I have posted, and that you seem to have ignored.
Here they are again, along with some that I haven't mentioned yet.
Murders per capita:
Australia is ranked number 18 (at 17.007 per 1 million people)
New Zealand is ranked number 29 (at 5.818 per 1 million people)
Ireland is ranked number 30 (at 5.464 per 1 million people)
Spain is ranked number 37 (at 0.781 per 1 million people)
Canada, the United Kingdom, and the United States are not among the top 37.
Assault victims ranked by percentage of population:
The United Kingdom is ranked number 2
Australia and New Zealand are both ranked number 3
Canada is ranked number 5
The United States is ranked at number 9, as are Sweden and Belgium.
Ireland is not among the top 20.
Rapes per capita:
New Zealand is ranked number 2
Ireland is ranked number 10
Canada is ranked number 44
The United Kingdom and the United States are not among the top 50.
See ya,
Milt
Originally posted by captainnotsoobvious
reply to post by nenothtu
For every one of these types of stories there must be a dozen cases of people being accidentally shot.
Here's some stats from 1999:
In 1999, 3,385 children and youth ages 0-19 years were killed with a gun. This includes homicides, suicides, and unintentional injuries.
This is equivalent to about 9 deaths per day, a figure commonly used by journalists.
The 3,385 firearms-related deaths for age group 0-19 years breaks down to:
214 unintentional
1,078 suicides
1,990 homicides
83 for which the intent could not be determined
20 due to legal intervention
Of the total firearms-related deaths:
73 were of children under five years old
416 were children 5-14 years old
2,896 were 15-19 years old
wiki.answers.com...
Originally posted by nenothtu
Originally posted by captainnotsoobvious
reply to post by SprocketUK
You apparently just don't know what's going on in the US. The FBI was recently told they could suspend all laws if they wanted to, in the US, the government can easily spy on all your communication in the US, and search you, no probs, and enter your house, because after the patriot act, getting a no-knock warrant is dead simple.
Haven't been to the States in a while now, I see. "No-knock" warrants aren't as easy to get or as prevalently used as you appear to believe.
If anyine tries to search me without a warrant, it will NOT be "no probs" as you assert. Ditto for entering my house, "no knock" warrant or not - they'd damned well better knock first, and display that warrant from a safe distance, or there are going to be problems aplenty.
In the US I had cops, on two separate occasions, threaten to plant evidence on me, if I didn't agree to let them search my car (as part of routine traffic stops).
That's some pretty hard luck there. Why did you just roll over and put up with it?
And you're just uninformed about the state of the US...
As, it appears, are you. You must have been one of those timid urbanites.
Presenting numbers backed up by incomplete data, Kelly testified before a City Council hearing this month that about 13,000 warrants were issued between January 2001 and May 2003, the vast majority being no-knock.
Over a decade ago the Georgia Court of Appeals pointed out that such warrants "simply have become customary ... in drug cases." (The overwhelming majority of all search warrants involve drugs.) Even here in Clarke county, in 1997 (the latest year for which I have statistics), 69 of the 143 search warrants issued (48%) had a no-knock provision
Originally posted by sgspecial19
reply to post by lacrimaererum
You're a disinformation snob, how dare you try and shoot down the constitutional rights of the 2nd amendment right to bear arms? You are definitely not welcome here disinform-agent...
Originally posted by lacrimaererum
I will be honest and say I really cannot understand this stance. Reflecting on it a little I can only guess that a lot of people have this necessity to have a weapon out of fear. I am guessing a lot of people will also not admit to this.
I just think people who own these weapons and are so obssesed at defending their right to own the gun should examine why they have this obssesion. Really deeply examine why you have your gun. Why is it so important to you. Would you feel threatened without it?
When did this obssesion start?
If you have nothing to fear, you will not need to own a gun.
In 1996 there were 32,436 firearm-related deaths. These included:
17,566 firearm-related suicides
13,522 firearm-related homicides
981 unintentional deaths related to firearms.1
More than 70% of homicides are committed with a firearm.2
Firearm assaults on family members and other intimate acquaintances are 12 times more likely to result in death than are assaults using other weapons.3
People living in households in which guns are kept have a risk of suicide that is 5 times greater than people living in households without guns.4
Originally posted by captainnotsoobvious
Not sure how you were able to determine how prevalent I think no-knock warrants are... they're not that hard to get though, and the statistics back that up...
because after the patriot act, getting a no-knock warrant is dead simple.
Presenting numbers backed up by incomplete data, Kelly testified before a City Council hearing this month that about 13,000 warrants were issued between January 2001 and May 2003, the vast majority being no-knock.
That's just NYC.
www.villagevoice.com...
So.... That's certainly a lot.
Over a decade ago the Georgia Court of Appeals pointed out that such warrants "simply have become customary ... in drug cases." (The overwhelming majority of all search warrants involve drugs.) Even here in Clarke county, in 1997 (the latest year for which I have statistics), 69 of the 143 search warrants issued (48%) had a no-knock provision
www.law.uga.edu...
I could go on... hundreds and hundreds of no-knock warrants are issued every year.
Why did I "roll over"? What should I have done? Fought the cops? Riiiiight. The cops would simply then plant the evidence on me. Cops in the US are pretty much a law unto themselves. Very few people actually fight the law and win.
And btw the crooked cops I ran into were all in the countryside (which is pretty common). I have lived in the country and the city, town and massive metropolises.
Nice try though.
Originally posted by captainnotsoobvious
It's hardly surprising... the gun nuts in America are basically mentally ill. They suffer from paranoid fantasies and persecution complexes.
Originally posted by captainnotsoobvious
reply to post by nenothtu
Again, this is a delusion.
The number one, by far, murder weapon, in the US, is the hand gun.
It's not even close.
In United States criminal law, probable cause is the standard by which an officer or agent of the law has the grounds to make an arrest, to conduct a personal or property search,