Police downplay concerns about right-wing rally(Denmark)

US and Danish officials fear that violent right-wing radicals will attend a meeting of European anti-Islamic groups in Aarhus tomorrow.

A demonstration by far-right and anti-Islamic activists in Aarhus tomorrow has lead the US Embassy to urge its citizens to steer well clear of the city.

The demonstration is organised by the British organisation the English Defence League (EDL) and is intended to be the first pan-European meeting of sympathising and copycat groups such as the Danish Defence League and Stop Islamisation of Europe

The Copenhagen Post

A bunch of no-life, good for nothing racists and neo-nazis from all over gathering up in one place. It never ends well. I've already heard two young girls were beaten and their headscarves were torn off. What can even justify such meetings? Freedom of speech - to spread hatred? Freedom of expression - to beat up little girls?


Then there is this bit in the article:

Domestic intelligence agency PET stated that the meeting in Aarhus was an opportunity for right-wing groups across Europe to network and added that it could attract groups that are known for being violent.

“We are especially concerned by the involvement of central and eastern European right-wing radicals at the demonstration in Aarhus,” PET chief Jacob Scharf told Århus Stiftstidende. “The movement is relatively popular in these countries and has a high capacity for violence.”

It's safe to conclude these groups of neo-nazis and racists are only going to grow bigger...isn't that something European countries should combat? Is this meeting going to lead to sprees of violence in a week or so, when these racists and neo-nazis go back "home", all riled up?

Rre-he-he-he-he-he-eally ?? As I understand, you are tasting fear and insecurity. Didn't you watch that video posted by that girl in Luton ? Do it now. Welcome to HER world.
Just for you: "http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread824767/pg1"

reply to post by InfoKartel


It's not just countries.

ATS has been invaded by plenty of right-wing dumbasses, especially after the murder of Trayvon Martin. Plenty of threads/replies whining about the mythical "unfair", "unjust" treatment of white people.

Hello?

The U.S was built on the backs of immigrants and minorities. Remember slavery? The civil rights movement? The detention of Japanese citizens during WWII? The treatment of Native Americans? Hatred towards Muslims? Hatred of the poor and other minorities?

The list goes on and on.

There is no way that the white man will ever be oppressed as much as others have.

You can cry about oppression and racism all you want. It will take centuries of suffering for whites to "get it".

reply to post by trisvonbis


First of all, no fear or insecurity here. In fact, if I know Arhus well, those racists and neo-nazis better be careful when it goes dark.

Welcome to HER world.

Well seeing how you are so bitter and think you're tough because of some racist football hooligans beating two young girls up, why don't you go to Kurdish mountain ranges with your buddies and march there. Then beat up two young girls. See how many heads remain on torsos (lol @ fear and insecurity - do you have any idea how some of us grow up, compared to pampered alcoholic football hooligans who have issues with their ahem...sexuality? )

Besides your tough guy bravado(beating up little girls make you feel macho?) I'm against the type of Islam they were marching for in Luton. But in your world, that doesn't exist. People that are against your radicalism and their radicalism. Get lost.

reply to post by InfoKartel


Most of these right-wing extremist pussies lack physical endowment, brains and courage.

The only "good" Neo-nazi is a dead one!

I dislike such people.

But the best thing to do is ignore them. They thrive on attention.

Without attention, their movement dies.

And so this is my last comment in this thread. Because I want their movement to die. lol.

reply to post by SilentThundersGF


The sad part is, that if we ignore them - and their freedom to march would be taken away from them, the core would just do worse things, just to get into the news/draw attention. See it as a kettle letting off some steam. However, attacking people should not be tolerated, seeing how their racist/nazi "culture" brought forth someone like Breivik - a completely insane muppet lost in delusions of white superiority.

reply to post by The Sword

Most of these right-wing extremist pussies lack physical endowment, brains and courage.

I would go further to say that ALL extremists lack brains. Whether they are left or right wing, muslim or christian, jewish or atheist, hindu or sikh...it's completely illogical to be an extremist. So much so, that ignorance is a big trademark of any extremist.

reply to post by InfoKartel


I dislike the right as well. But in the interest of accuracy I will note that Brievik is not a nazi. In his document he claims he is against naziism/fascism and communim/leftism equally. Because he is pro-Israel, and a Christian Zionist. He also states he is against all racism. He claims he wants traditional european culture and christianity back, but he says it is not a racial issue and he he would be happy to welcome people of any and all races into Europe provided they comply with traditional european culture. I guess he is a "culturalist" rahter than a "racist."

I feel this needs to be said because his ideas are constantly misrepresented. Very few people have taken the trouble to try to understand his ideas (which, while perhaps loathesome, are not "insane" or "ravings" as is ususally claimed by people who have never looked at them). Closing your eyes to something you don't like doesn't make it go away. Deny ignorance and all that, you know.

Originally posted by The Sword
reply to post by InfoKartel

 

It's not just countries.

ATS has been invaded by plenty of right-wing dumbasses, especially after the murder of Trayvon Martin. Plenty of threads/replies whining about the mythical "unfair", "unjust" treatment of white people.

You know what makes me point and laugh at them the most? The fact that we've had loads of EDL people in here over the last year, and they all proclaim to be anything BUT far right, suggesting they're "defending England" (from their imaginary fantasies I have to add) that they're not racist, that they're definitely no neo-Nazis and how they would weed out the ones that were...

And now they're on the biggest neo-Nazi march in Europe!

I'm actually glad about this, because the EDL has proven to the people of the UK that they are nothing more than another right wing fascist group that needs to be monitored and controlled. They are far more dangerous to this country than any other group.

You know, maybe we should just prevent them all from coming home. Wipe all their passports from the system and tell them they're not welcome back. We fought the Nazi's once, and those EDL freaks should be ashamed of themselves, calling themselves British when some of their relatives probably died defending this country from idiots like them.

I'll be watching what happens today very closely. I have no doubt we'll see the real face of the EDL and all the other fascists. I hope they're all thoroughly exposed for what they are.

reply to post by TheXoor

I will note that Brievik is not a nazi.

Then you do not know what a nazi is.

In his document he claims he is against naziism/fascism and communim/leftism equally. Because he is pro-Israel, and a Christian Zionist.

Well isn't that retarded? How can he be a Christian and forget that everything he wrote is worthless because of the actions he took? Would you rather believe what he wrote or what he did?

He also states he is against all racism.

wrong.

He claims he wants traditional european culture and christianity back, but he says it is not a racial issue and he he would be happy to welcome people of any and all races into Europe provided they comply with traditional european culture. I guess he is a "culturalist" rahter than a "racist."

I hope you don't take that gibberish seriously. The guy was obviously derailed to the point of murdering, so it's only natural that his words and "manifest" were also derailed to the point of nonsense. Besides that, you need a woman to uphold a culture, he did not have a woman. That tells me he cannot be a culturalist.

I feel this needs to be said because his ideas are constantly misrepresented. Very few people have taken the trouble to try to understand his ideas (which, while perhaps loathesome, are not "insane" or "ravings" as is ususally claimed by people who have never looked at them).

You can be ignorant about history and create a next Hitler. I won't. His ideas are insane, period. Sure he knew what he was doing, and sure he got assistance from a certain country - still insane. If his ideas were NOT insane they would not have lead him to kill 77 people, period.

Closing your eyes to something you don't like doesn't make it go away. Deny ignorance and all that, you know.

Murdering 77 people makes it go away? Disgusting. Please do not even utter the words "deny ignorance" because you are completely oblivious to what the hell the Breivik's case was. Why the hell are you trying to make a martyr out of him? The guy was obviously insane, posing in pictures like he did with those clothes. But this topic is not about him anyways, to hell with him.

Originally posted by TheXoor
reply to post by InfoKartel

 

I dislike the right as well. But in the interest of accuracy I will note that Brievik is not a nazi. In his document he claims he is against naziism/fascism and communim/leftism equally. Because he is pro-Israel, and a Christian Zionist. He also states he is against all racism. He claims he wants traditional european culture and christianity back, but he says it is not a racial issue and he he would be happy to welcome people of any and all races into Europe provided they comply with traditional european culture. I guess he is a "culturalist" rahter than a "racist."

I think it's pretty much accepted that the guy was messed up, he claims in one instance to not be a fascist, while then going on to proclaim that the fascists are rising up to commit atrocities across Europe and that he's a part of it. He's dealt with these people. So which is it? He can't have it both ways, if he associates himself to a fascist/racist/Nazi group then he accepts their world view, just as all those idiots who follow the EDL are now assigned the label of fascist too.

Basically, he is a fascist, he just couldn't reconcile the fact that he believes the same things that the fascists believe.

He's like a gay Evangelical Christian - a hypocrite, a contradiction to himself depending on the time of day and the people he's communicating with.

No one who behaves the way he did, and did the things that he did, could be described as stable, so why anyone would lend any credence to his f**ked up ramblings trying to justify his own actions is beyond me.

You people crack me up.

How can you battle Breivik's ideas if you don't even understand them?

Are you so weak-minded and insecure in your views that you are afraid to read something like like his because "I might end up believing it?" lol. I'm not. I read it, and I don't agree with it. That's how you fight something you disagree with. Not by pretending X is Y when its really X.

Go ahead and hide your heads in the sand. You are no better than people who claim "Obama is a marxist" because they dislike both Obama and Marxist and "they are both on the left so they must be the same thing." Pathetic. Attitudes like yours will only create more Breiviks.

reply to post by detachedindividual


Exactly, I've had discussions with EDL members here on ATS(don't ask me why, I lost enough brain cells over that already ) and they tried making themself look like "defenders of England" as you said... That is part of the reason I shared this news, so that you guys in Britain(and elsewhere of course) can take a hard look at it as well as any of you out there that support those racists or nazis...we're on to you.

Originally posted by TheXoor
You people crack me up.

How can you battle his ideas if you don't even understand them?

Go ahead and hide your head in the sand. You are no better than people who claim "Obama is a marxist" because they dislike both Obama and Marxist so "they must be the same thing."

No, his beliefs are contradictory to themselves.

That is the point. You can suggest that we are simply choosing what to believe, but I think it's clear that we at least understand the complete contradiction going on in this guys mind.
How does murdering kids and blowing up your own country assist in maintaining its cultural history? How does anything he did suit a Christian belief system? How does a nation remain open to migrants of all faiths and races, while strictly maintaining a cultural stereotype?

The guy was not only an idiot for failing to understand the evolutionary process of all societies, he was a contradictory and hypocritical fool who needed to find a way to justify his violence and excuse his fascism.

If you choose to ever go back through anything I have written on these subjects in the past you would know that I more than open to divergence of ideas, and I do not accept the right/left paradigm that people willingly accept in politics. You can believe things from any aspect of politics to form your own ideas...

But you can't pick ideas that directly contradict each other and expect to have your opinion taken seriously, as that man seemed to think he could.

He was and is a fascist. His actions show that, his opinions half the time show that, his dealings with others show that. Just because he denies it (possibly through shame, guilt, embarrassment...) doesn't make it any less clear to the rest of us intelligent people.

Originally posted by InfoKartel
reply to post by detachedindividual

 

Exactly, I've had discussions with EDL members here on ATS(don't ask me why, I lost enough brain cells over that already

) and they tried making themself look like "defenders of England" as you said... That is part of the reason I shared this news, so that you guys in Britain(and elsewhere of course) can take a hard look at it as well as any of you out there that support those racists or nazis...we're on to you.

I see that all the people who are supportive of the EDL are nowhere to be seen in these posts today, perhaps they're out chanting Nazi slogans? Or maybe they've realized that the "defenders of England" are exactly what people have been calling them for years?

I don't know about Denmark, but here in Sweden, it's the violent left wing radicals one should worry about, not the right wingers.

Let me give you a concrete example of how a true understanding of Breivik's ideas will help you to fight them (as opposed to the shameful denial you are engaging in).

When Marx's work came out, the response on the right was "its insane ramblings." Because they refused to take it seriously, they were not equipped to battle it. Consequence: Marxism spread, and the Right, remaning ignorant, were unable to battle it effectively.

If you had bothered to understand the reality of what he advocates instead of pretending its something it isn't, you would know this: The National Socialists and White Nationalists hate Breivik because they consider him a Zionist. If you understood this, you would have the tools to then work to encourage a spilt between the old-style National Socialists/White Nationalists and anye emerging pro-Breivik party (and I believe such a movement will eventually emerge). Divide and conquer is a very effective strategy, you know.

But, since you prefer denial, Breivik's message will probably spread. Shame on you!

The stakes are too great for this foolishness. Grow up.

reply to post by TheXoor


Isn't all racism really culturalism?

Think about it.

reply to post by TheXoor


I agree with you.

Brievik = evil = right wing

Nazis = evil = right wing.

Bu, that does NOT mean they are the same thing.

And fighting them demands different strategies. Burying your head in the sand is no answer. To design effective strategies against any evil demands knowledge and awareness of that evil, not willfilul blindness.