Muslims: I'm becoming very tired of your violence

Originally posted by mindtrvlr
Christianity, Judaism, Wicca, or Atheism are prone to go off the rails if they think their religion is being threatened.

I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY OF THE ABOVE BLOWING THEMSELVES UP, PLANTING CAR BOMBS OR USING ROADSIDE BOMBS TO KILL HUNDREDS BECAUSE SOME MORON BURNT A OLD BOOK.????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????????????????????????

Caps lock stuck there, buddy?

Please show where I said they go around blowing stuff up...

If you are under the impression that they never go off the rails when insecurities strike, you've not dealt with very many of them.

Sometimes, they even get all bent out of shape and type in all caps.

reply to post by Tw0Sides


ABSOLUTELY. WE HAVE WASTED TO MANY LIVES TO LAST ANYONES LIFETIME, INTERFERING WHERE WE DON'T BELONG IN THE FIRST PLACE. WE SHOULDLET THEM GET BACK TO KILLING THEMSELVES AND WE CAN GET BACK TO MAKING MONEY AND KILLING OURSELVES,

reply to post by ShamilAbdullah


What does the writing on the flag in your avatar say?

And who do they have guns?

Originally posted by AGWskeptic
reply to post by ShamilAbdullah

 

What does the writing on the flag in your avatar say?

And who do they have guns?

Can I answer? Look at the picture again, and compare it to this:

الله أكبر

That is Arabic for "allahu akbar". It means "Allah is great". That phrase, in the presence of firearms, generally points to just one thing....

Also, all of the green in it has a symbolic significance. Green in Islam is the color of the prophet. In some circles it takes on a militant tint - like the green headbands some Palestinians wear when they're having one of their "shoot yer AK in the air" rallies.

reply to post by ShamilAbdullah


ok well then lets see if i am still a threat! ?
I was born and raised on a farm to a conservative mormon family, your all- american family? Played baseball and foot ball in highschool, i am currently studying law , i have a beautiful family and religion! I have found peace and love through islam and most of all i have found allah ( god) i work very hard to support my family and go to school ontop of it all, am i still a threat? ..... you really need to re- think your position in life, and move away from your selfish thoughts ..


I was mormon for a while and I consider them a threat as much as any Muslim terrorist and you look to be both. And then you could be areal nice guy
signed; I am armed and I am Dangerous

I'm becoming very tired of all hatred posted on this site. Hate muslims, hate jews, hate occupy, hate gays, hate liberals, hate the poor, hate the victim...don't you guys ever get tired of hating?

Originally posted by METACOMET

Originally posted by petrus4
I've seen news reports of at least four difference incidents of Islamic violence over the last 24 hours.

America is in at least four different wars against islamic countries over the last several years.

Imagine this for a moment.

The Middle East has become militarily dominant. It has decided to target "the christian west" and invade and occupy these countries one by one.

One day they decide they don't like America's or Britain's or Frances' WMD's, government type, leadership, etc...

So they invade your neighborhood.

Are you a christian terrorist when you fight back? Would you be just another violent christian?

Surely their news or propaganda machine would tell their people you are such. Surely some of those people would visit internet forums and rant about how tired they are of the violent christians and claim they need to be stopped.

It's foolish. Don't be a fool.

Well I hate to tell you this, but not too long ago during the Ottoman empire that is exactly what we had and guess what,it sucked big time.Even today if you go to Bulgaria, which was one of the longest held colonies of the Ottoman turks, the Bulgarians will tell you that they will never forgive them for the way they were treated.
The problem is that muslims have a doctrine of conquest in their holy book,I do not know of any other religion today that can be said to have a similar philosophy,even the crusaders were basically just trying to regain
the ``holy land`` they actually were not interested in going beyond that.
Seems to me our brothers the muslims have a rather huge chip they are carrying on all too many shoulders,
their feeling of infiority, mixed with a rather hefty wedge of ignorance, results in totally inexcusable
barbaric behaviour towards other human beings,be they of a different faith or merely of another ism of their own muslim belief. Look at India and Pakistan,look at Syria or the lebanon,Nigeria,inequity in all realms and that has nothing to do with christianity. There is an inherent belief amongst muslims that they can solve social issues through violence,which is no different then fascism.
I did not agree with american forces in Iraq nor do I think should they be in afghanistan, but really in some respects the yanks have not changed much from the second world war,they are still battling fascism, even though these days its not the nazi type but rather the religious.

reply to post by nenothtu


Dear Nenothtu,
I am glad you responded actually. Your response was well received. You are right we don't disagree that much. I still don't think invading anywhere is the solution, or appropriate, or even lawful. Your point as to why we did, well.. I'm very much a believer in the conspiracy side of things and I don't think AQ even exists (it really was simply a made up phrase for a bunch of "targets"), or that Bin Laden was even responsible for 9/11. So on that score, I have to disagree based on my beliefs and on principle.

Should we eradicate all foreign threats when and if they come on our soil, well human nature would say yes. I'd be barmy to say no, however I think threat is a term used by politicians and governments to create fear because fear in turn makes us easier to manipulate. Slight cyclic issue there but I hope you get what I mean.

You are perfectly on the mark about what military forces should be utilised for and again I can't disagree that the US and UK forces in Afghanistan shouldn't even be there. Nation building is not the role of the military. Sadly though, it's the very same people pulling the strings, creating fear, that control them and make those decisions.

My interjection in this thread was simply to point out that historically (and I am a firm believer in reading and understanding history) we are all as guilty as each other, and the OP statement was bereft of any kind of educated reasoning. I also wished to show that in the grand scheme of things we are all being manipulated to hate one another, much to the chagrin of the more optimistic of us on this planet.

The last point is sadly again historical and something people tend to not wish to discuss, but until we agree that multiculturalism doesn't work and ends up with these exact problems, then these problems will continue. Square peg, round hole....I am a firm believer in that certain groups should never ever mix.

T

While it is good that each can freely express themselves here on ATS without fear or favour, we must each never allow our ignorances of others to grow into hatred.

Majority of muslims are just like everyone else - humans. We are bleed and laugh the same, and share common aspirations no matter our differences, such as love, justice, equality, democracy, shared prosperity, responsible freedom and progress, despite our differences.

For centuries, the power lustfuls amongst humanity had sought to divide us mankind using religion as a tool, and deprivement of education to the masses so that they remain ignorant and stupid. Worse, the serfs - regardless christian or muslims, were not allowed to read the religious scripts, or man-made too complex such as buddhism, taoism, or explain in an ancient language none comprehends such as Hinduism.

Much was depended upon a select few to teach, often mis-interpretated as we mortals are flawed and do have our flaws, resulting in misunderstandings, wars and deaths to billions over the centuries.

Since the 17th century age of enlightenment, mankind had gradually woken up and studied on their own. The West had a headstart in education, and the east is slowly but surely catching up as more gets educated and critically think.

Both east and west can bridge the differences. Like an open wound, it only needs to allow time to heal, with better open civilised discussions.

But unfortunately, there are still beasts amongst us that sought to tear apart such wounds, to let it fester till it rots and kill humanity. They do so because of self centredness exclusivity, ingrained plan ignorant hatred, lust for power, refusing to find and meet on common ground of shared goals towards mutual progress and evolution.

For example, while Egypt's leader Mubarak, Sadam, Gadaffi, Osama, Mao, Madoff, Greenspan, McNamara, etc - failed human species that are gone, off the world's stage, BUT their families, their blind supporters, faithful followers and even those whom had lost priviledges with their leaders gone, still exists today, and keeping that wounded divide is all they live for.

Thus, may mankind be wary, careful and not be led down the path to hatred of each other. We human race share more common goals with this gift of life than differences to be exploited...

reply to post by BellaSabre

Don't worry about the slaughter in Syria. They'll quickly repopulate Syria once everything has subsided. They can have four wives so they can quadruple the number of children in no time. They can't convert to other religions so in the end they would inherit the Earth. Syria is check and balance of their population explosion so try not to get involved in other people's quarrel. US arming the Mujahideens in Afganistan during Soviet invasion created more problems in the form of the Talibans. US support for Saddam during Iran/Iraq war created biological weapons which US feared Saddam STILL possessed. Every group US support usually turn back and bite them.

reply to post by torqpoc


Ummm well, they have burned our flag on occasion while chanting death chants. Certain people seem to believe it is all justified. I have never chanted death to anyone who burned the American flag, nor would I if they burn the Bible. Why? Because that is their issue not mine.
I would get very mad if our own Congress decided to burn the Constitution, but then, aren't they already shredding it to pieces?

reply to post by slanteye

Every group US support usually turn back and bite them.

I would be a fool to try and refute that!

Originally posted by Kali74
I'm becoming very tired of all hatred posted on this site. Hate muslims, hate jews, hate occupy, hate gays, hate liberals, hate the poor, hate the victim...don't you guys ever get tired of hating?

I don't hate Muslims. Only the Muslim radicals who want to enforce Islam on the rest of us.

Most Muslims are just like you and I. They don't take their religion too seriously and just want a quiet life.

Hi Everyone, I have been a longtime observer on ATS and this is my first post. The reason why I made an account was because of this thread. After seeing the title of this thread I thought it would be a great place to share first-hand experience with living in an Islamic country and seeing what muslims are like firs hand. I moved to United States in 1986-1987. My family and I, including cousins/ friends all lived in Tehran, Iran. We lived there before the shaw (king) was overthrown. My family and I are of Assyrian nationality and that makes us inherently Christian. Anyways, everything was well until the Muslims became angry that Iran had westernized and wanted harsher Islamic law. At this time ayatollah Khomeini rose to power and the Shaw was exiled. This was when our lives became hell. Christian churches were burned down; muslims raped Christian women and children and killed the men. My family and I wanted nothing more but to escape the country, but to do so would mean we were traders and would be punished and or killed. I remember one day when my mom was wearing the Hajab (black outfit that covers body), and it was very hot so she had rolled upper her sleeves and her wrist’s were showing. That didn’t go over to well with muslim bystanders who immediately called the police and as soon as they came they cut her body with razors and beat my father in the streets. She still has the scars to this day, total of 15 2-4 inch scars on back, arms and wrist’s. Also, during this time if you were found to be Christian and didn’t convert they would take away your job, send you to prison, or worse put you to death. Also, you could forget ever going to church again, most were burned down. The only way we were able to practice our Christian faith was to do it in our home.

Anyways, in 1986 we dropped everything and fearfully fled as refugees to turkey, then to Italy, then to Greece and finally the united states. My family lost everything we had, we had to start over from scratch because of muslims and their take over and conquer the planet attitude. I wanted to share this experience because I know what muslims are like and how they think from first hand experience. I hate the fact that some people on this forum say that people are judging muslims without actually knowing them, and that they are no different than people of other faiths. Well, you are wrong! Their mentality is to inflict their views on others whether they like it or not and if they don’t follow or convert they conquer and kill. In their religious text it says to kill others who do not follow islam, and their profit rides around with a sword and beheads people, all the while married to his 8 year old cousin. This is not a peaceful religion; it is full of hate and control of others. So to those people who are nice and comfortable in their homes, sitting on the couch and who say things like “you don’t know what mulsims are going through”, or “the muslim threat is manufactured” or “they are peacefull people, just give them a chance” you my friends are ignorant of the truth. NO!, I lived with them, they ruined my family’s life. You have no idea the evil they are capable of unless you see first-hand. They are now trying to impose their will in Britain, the Uk, Australia and elsewhere. I find it hilarious that they can do whatever it is they want in their countries, force their religion and ideologies on others and then come to America and try to do the same.

Why is it that they can force others to do what they want in Iran and when they come here to the US and get any resistance from anyone they cry and say people are being racist and site how it’s against the constitution? For example I live in a northern suburb of Chicago and some muslims wanted to build a mosqee next to a Church. Well, people in my city protested and then the muslims threw a fit and took it to court and won. The nerve of these people is insane!!! They can do whatever they want to others but if anyone else does something to resist them, they act like crazy people. Just look at what happened recently in Iran, they wanted to kill a Christian man just because he was Christian and did not forsake Christ and the bible by converting to Islam. Imagine if we did something like that here to a muslim who wouldn’t convert to Christianity, can you imagine their uproar and the mass bloodshed that would insue? The hyprocracy of these people is beyond belief. And to those who would say that this was an isolated incident, it isn’t!! I still have family and friends in Iran who were unable to escape and many have perished at the hands of Islam for being Christian. If I have family and friends who have been killed for their beliefs, imagine the hundreds and or thousands that have had the same fate that you don’t know about… -----More to follow on next post---------

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Sorry for the long post/rant I have been wanting to get this off my chest for close to 30 years. To all those people who are siding with muslims, just wait. They will impose their views/ ideologies on you and try to take over the planet, then we’ll see what you say when you HAVE to wear a ninja outfit everywhere you go and have someone’s behind in your face a few times a day all while praying to a moon god. Then maybe, just maybe you’ll regret your views. They are pure evil, hatred, malevolence, hypcrocy, and predators all rolled into one. Last, it is not the people who are inherently bad, it is the evil spewing out of their religious text (whose name is never to be mentioned in my house) that somehow corrupts them and makes them evil. They need to be stopped now, before our way of life is gone. God help us…………

Originally posted by omegafire
Also, during this time if you were found to be Christian and didn’t convert they would take away your job, send you to prison, or worse put you to death. Also, you could forget ever going to church again, most were burned down. The only way we were able to practice our Christian faith was to do it in our home.

Anyways, in 1986 we dropped everything and fearfully fled as refugees to turkey, then to Italy, then to Greece and finally the united states. My family lost everything we had, we had to start over from scratch because of muslims and their take over and conquer the planet attitude.

Thank you for your post.

My heart goes out to you for what you have suffered.

I have heard a similar tale from a Christian in India when Christians were effectively ethnically cleansed from his village when the Muslims moved in, built up numbers and then took over.

As another poster pointed out, while the West appears to be willing to be nice with Islam, Islam as a political force is still out to dominate the rest of the world in the way it has always been.

The Koran makes it clear that Muslims have a religious duty to make Islam dominate the world.

"I was ordered to fight all men until they say 'The is no god but Allah."

Prophet Muhammad's farewell address,March 632

Originally posted by ollncasino

"I was ordered to fight all men until they say 'The is no god but Allah."

Prophet Muhammad's farewell address,March 632

Some might say that this is simply more taqqiyah; but I've seen some Muslims write online, that the world domination doctrine, as well as a lot of the exhortations to violence, come from the Hadith. They apparently also say that the Hadith was written some hundred years or so after the Qu'ran; and that those who believe purely in the Qu'ran, generally aren't those who advocate violence or enslaving the planet. Apparently the fundamentalists usually put more emphasis on the Hadith, because that is supposedly what advocates violence more.

I don't know whether or not that is actually true; it is simply what some have said. If it is true, though, then it provides a fairly simple solution to the problem. Moderate Muslims perhaps need to strip the Hadith of canonicity.

You have to read the that text under the circumstance it was said, If it was said during a battle then that would make total sense. I highly doubt it was said when the Prophet Muhammed (peace be upon him) was sitting in his mosque and relaxing.

reply to post by petrus4


The hadiths are more in the nature of historical record and explanation of the events that produced the writings in the Qur'an. As such, they are secondary to the Qur'an, not primary canon.

The Qur'an itself was not "revealed" in the order in which it is now presented. The present order of the surahs was arranged long after the fact, and appears to be haphazard. If it is arranged in the order that it was written (and there is no specific consensus on that order, but the general rule applies) one can actually see a progression from peaceful, exhorting rhetoric early on in the development of Islam to more violent, warlike rhetoric later as the numbers of muslims grew to outnumber their enemies, and encountered more opposition to conversion. At some point when they had the numbers for it, Mohammed decided that it was better to kill if they couldn't convert, and then it was on.

Some of the newer verses were counter to earlier, more peaceful, pronouncements. Evidently the Islamic god had no problem contradicting himself. To circumvent that apparent contradiction, Mohammed said that the earlier verses were "abrogated", nullified in favor of the later verses. Those "abrogated" verses are also known as "the satanic verses", which Salmon Rushdie had a fatwa calling for his death pronounced upon him for revealing the existence of to the non-Islamic world.

Mohammed was killed by a Jewish slave woman. As I recall, she was a survivor of the massacre of the Banu Qurayzeh Jews who was claimed as war booty by Mohammed. She poisoned him, her reasoning being that if he were truly a prophet of God, God would tell him the poison was in the drink. Evidently his god was off duty that day, because he didn't mention the poison to Mohammed, who drank it.

Mohammed died in agony cursing Jews.

The Banu Qurayzeh were victims at the wrong time of the development of Islam, in the transition from peaceful suggestion to convert to warlike "convert or die" conversion, when the number of Muslims had reached critical mass for forcing conversion. The Qurayzeh refused, and so became a test-case in conversion by sword. Somewhere between 600 and 900 men were slaughtered in a single day (beheading as captives, not in battle), and the women and children taken as war booty, enslaved.

The first forced conversions came back and bit Mohammed in the ass, and the last ones will bite an entirely different generation of Muslims in the ass.

The hadiths explain much of this, and are helpful in understanding the development and meaning of the isolated surahs in the Qur'an. In other words, they are not the authority, but they explain the reasoning (or lack thereof) behind the authority.

As an aside, there were a number of Arab tribes converted by force who left Islam immediately upon Mohammed's death. They were not in it for the religion, they were in it 1) for the war booty, and 2) not to be killed by the muslims. An "If you can't beat 'em, join 'em" sort of mentality. When they left Islam and went back home, it fell on Abu Bakr, I believe, to return the prodigals to Islamic rule.

At the point of a sword.

reply to post by petrus4


Wow... applause.

This may be the first nuanced and non biased view of Islam I have had the fortune to read here on ATS.

Yes, the US deserves a lot of blame, that's obvious, US media has been scapegoating muslim boogeymen with endless propaganda for a long time now. No one's doubting that without ignoring reality.

However, the reality of the situation is not that simple. Islam is not without fault, I'm tired of the muslim apologists brainwashed by liberal outlets and political correctness giving them the benefit of the doubt.

The wars are wrong, but so is the endless immigration, the cultural and ethnic genocide occuring in Europe and all white, christian or secular countries. Oikophobic tendencies, white guilt and apologism is the real threat.

Islam is a barbaric and backwards culture, the clash between western civilisation and Islam is a disaster, whereas muslim culture is overly aggressive, western liberal culture is nothing short of a bunch of whining self hating "progressives" brought up to despise their own culture and protect and preserve any and all minorities in favour of the native populations, this bias also applies to feminism, the LGBT social movement and politics where criticism of immigration is bashed and made an example of by both government and media with relentless fury and hate.

There seems to be exist some kind of "feel sorry for" scale in western society today, women, immigrants, homosexuals and all kinds of minorities are beyond critique, everything to supplant a homogeneous and well functioning society with groups of minorities harping for their piece of the pie, all the while disintegrating the family unit and giving government more control in our lives.

Before there was racism and misogynist views.. nowadays there's immigrant gangs roaming the streets, the rape statistics are through the roof, the crime rate is through the roof, young men and woman are confused about their gender, roles are being reversed, based on nothing but pseudoscientific ideas about gender neutrality, the idea that gender is nothing more than a social construct is being taught and encouraged by governments.

I'm not harping on certain ethnicities here, I'm blaming culture.. I blame Islam, I blame our governments for their apologist stance, I blame liberal oikophobes for their constant appeasement, I blame the military industrial complex for turning the middle east and the third world into #holes, I blame the military industrial complex for turning millions of people inte refugees and for spreading hate and war.

And if you don't think Islam is barbaric and outright dangerous, or that there is only a small minority preaching extremist stances, think agan.

Here's the facts:

www.faithfreedom.org...

On average 53% wants to stone people who commit adultery.
On average 49% wants whippings / cutting off of hands for theft or robbery.
On average 48% wants to kill people for leaving Islam.

Stop spreading the lie that most muslims are moderate.. they're very extreme, in very large numbers.
They're still medieval.....