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But if they don’t hold any beliefs, where do they think they are getting their power from, to do spells and cast magic etc…I mean you can’t just practice all those things, and have no beliefs about them, or where you think they might be coming from.
But everyone has ideas, that doesn’t make them a Wiccan. I’m looking for some kind of distinguishing characteristic(s), which defines what Wicca is, and more importantly, why they believe in it.
You see, you said it yourself, “for lack of a better word”, so even you, are not entirely sure how best to define Wicca. In fact, it’s even possible that you are not a Wiccan lol Allow me to approach this from another angle. Imagine, for a moment, that I am an Atheist, who has no spiritual beliefs at all. And lets just say we are pretty close friends; During a conversation one night, you invite me to a Wicca event or meeting. I then turn to you; look you squarely in the eyes and ask you “ What is Wicca?” What are you going to say me, in reply?
And this is the same thing many Wiccans and Pagans have asked Christians, how do we know God is true, how do we know God is good?
And last, we are born again.
Originally posted by WarminIndy
I think Joecroft is asking what is the criteria to determine what you are worshiping is good and beneficial and not a evil entity posing as something good?
Originally posted by WarminIndy
The fundamental difference in the Judeo-Christian faith and Wicca/Paganism is that Judeo/Christians believe that Yaweh (or Jehova if you prefer) actually designed the faith, created the religion and interacts at every moment with all of creation, not just those who believe in Him. We as Christians, base our learning first on what the Bible says, then, as in most religions, what the elders have taught us about the Bible. So JoeCroft is simply asking this from the perspective of what he has understood how religious thought is verified.
Originally posted by WarminIndy
I think one would want to verify the roots of their faith, no matter what it is, and search for the truth if that faith is actually true. When a faith system bases their understanding and interpretation that a spiritual being gave them, what is to verify that spiritual being is honest and good? If they are not honest, they could be lying when they say they are not an evil entity. They could be lying when they say they are good. And this is the same thing many Wiccans and Pagans have asked Christians, how do we know God is true, how do we know God is good?
Originally posted by WarminIndy
For instance, when people think the Bible is full of magical characters, and yet the Bible itself explicitly states we are not to practice magic, how do we verify Jesus was not practicing magic?…
Originally posted by WarminIndy
How does He verify this? He fulfills prophecy and not only does He fulfill prophecy but He is interactive with us beyond prophecy. We who have come to know Jesus have found Him in a very real way. We have had interactions that defy natural explanations. We have called on Him and He has appeared to us in a supernatural way...and not only that, sometimes naturally…
Originally posted by WarminIndy
So I think JoeCroft wants to understand what verifies that whatever thing a Wiccan chooses to worship is true and is honest when leading you.
Originally posted by cetaphobic
reply to post by RevelationGeneration
Can you show me proof that many Wiccans become Satanists? Just anything scientific or truthful that doesn't have a Christian bias will do.
Originally posted by cetaphobic
reply to post by RevelationGeneration
Christianity did exactly the same thing (death and resurrection God, Christmas, Easter, and so on).
Originally posted by cetaphobic
reply to post by RevelationGeneration
Can you show me proof that many Wiccans become Satanists? Just anything scientific or truthful that doesn't have a Christian bias will do.
And the reason there is similarities between Satanism and Paganism is because Satanism took some symbols and ideas from Paganism. Not the other way around. Christianity did exactly the same thing (death and resurrection God, Christmas, Easter, and so on).
Originally posted by karen61057
Originally posted by Keiju
Originally posted by karen61057
reply to post by WarminIndy
Here is a suggestion. Tell me what you would do a spell for. Something you'd like to happen and I can write a spell for you. It would be more powerful if you did it for yourself but I can give you one that will work.
I'll try =]
I want to become a successful Forex trader, I will probably succeed anyway, but would not mind seeing what it is, to "do a spell"
Give me a day to work one out for you. I have to find out what a Forex trader is LOL. but once I do and if your motives are good ( they seem so since you are very confident about your sucess anyway) this will be powerful for you. Intentions are everything in spell work.
en.wikipedia.org...
as Osiris rose from the dead they would, in union with him, inherit eternal life through a process of imitative magic.
Originally posted by Joecroft
But everyone has ideas, that doesn’t make them a Wiccan. I’m looking for some kind of distinguishing characteristic(s), which defines what Wicca is, and more importantly, why they believe in it.
Originally posted by autowrench
I personally think the most distinguishing characteristic is walking through life without fear. Trying to define what Wiccan is and is not will only serve to confuse you. Wicca is a personal sort of Ideas that fit perfectly, like a favourite jacket. It fits me well, I can put it on, or take it off at will, and it would never fit you, or anyone else. Wicca is Dynamic in nature, never static.
Originally posted by autowrench
I only call myself a Wiccan for lack of a better word.
Originally posted by Joecroft
You see, you said it yourself, “for lack of a better word”, so even you, are not entirely sure how best to define Wicca. In fact, it’s even possible that you are not a Wiccan lol Allow me to approach this from another angle. Imagine, for a moment, that I am an Atheist, who has no spiritual beliefs at all. And lets just say we are pretty close friends; During a conversation one night, you invite me to a Wicca event or meeting. I then turn to you; look you squarely in the eyes and ask you “ What is Wicca?” What are you going to say me, in reply?
Originally posted by autowrench
I believe I already explained that?
Originally posted by autowrench
Wicca cannot be defined to suit the masses, that is why so many seek it.
Originally posted by autowrench
I cannot speak for all, but here are my own thoughts on the matter. Wiccans do not have "beliefs." Beliefs cannot ever change, they are, in effect, set into stone.
Originally posted by autowrench
The true power comes from within, not from without.
Originally posted by autowrench
Wiccans on the other hand have Ideas. Ideas can, and do change all the time.
As for why I am what I am, blame my DNA and Genealogy for that. My mission, like many others in here, is to awaken humankind to everything. Some are eager to learn, others are so brainwashed they refuse to learn. I only call myself a Wiccan for lack of a better word.
Originally posted by autowrench
I would never invite you to a Wiccan meeting, as far as I know there is no such thing. I have some friends who are Atheist, and we do talk. We agree on some points, disagree on others. Just like any sort of friendship does. Ask me what is Wicca? I would offer you a book or two on the subject. We do not convert, no way, no how.
Christianity did exactly the same thing (death and resurrection God, Christmas, Easter, and so on).
Originally posted by karen61057
reply to post by Joecroft
We believe that the consciousness of creation resides in every thing in the natural world. We have several Gods and Godesses as Wicca in this day and age embodies many of the old relegions. We believe that we have the power to manipulate matter and we believe that we are entitled to manipulate matter as long as it does no harm to any person or thing. Most believe in reincarnation or some kind of continuance after this life is over. Nut shell . Too much to put in a post on a forum.
Exactly, how do they know what it is they believe in, to be true? And so far, no one has really been able to answer that question directly. It’s not even clear what Wicca is, and so far all of the answers have been rather vague. But in some way I don’t actually blame them, because I’ve read the wikipedia page, and I‘ve been to 2 other Wiccan sites and I’m still no further forward, to defining what the belief system actually is; all I have is a rough vague idea.