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But if this were true we would have large groups of species that couldn't sucessfully breed with there counterparts. And we don't have that. Almost all humans can interbreed with each other, with a very rare instance here and there. In addition we would have a plethora of sub species with all of the 5 million species on this planet, we also don't have that.
Yes, but that is not gradual accumulation of micro. Gradual means, that it happens over a long period of time. Inducing mutations on fruit flies by radiation is not gradual change over a long period of time. And again, evolution does not happen on the level of individuals. It's gradual change over long period of time. Repeat after me: gradual change over a long period of time.
Ok lets look at this. 100,000 known fly species. First off, is there 100,000 different names to go with each of them? After all when a new species is found, we are very quck to name them for credit. I would like to see something that backs up what your saying here.
Actually, we do. For example, there are over 100,000 known fly species. As to why know such variation in larger animals, you need to understand not only evolution but also ecology, and I'm not going there.
Well then you need to start contacing all the authors on these evolution links because it would appear that they too don't believe evolution to be a proven fact either. I have yet to see anything that says otherwise.
There's literally no scientific debate about evolution. The people who don't accept it as a fact are 99% fundamentalists, who have been brainwashed in their youth into a religion.
Easy... en.wikipedia.org...
So again, prove that 'micro' (undeniable fact) accumulation doesn't result in 'macro'. Understand, that the only way such can happen is, if there's some force that deliberately prevents gradual accumulation of change from an earlier type. Even then, you would still have to explain the fossil record, I mean, if there was some mechanism that prevented gradual accumulation of too much change, then where are the 100 million year old fossils that are nearly identical to present day life?
Page 7 of your topic 'Its officila God was a space astronaught 'In Skunk works, 8 posts down You wrote
Going to school and being a master are two different things you idiot.
Which makes your comment to me a great big lie.
I'm a science major, if its not obvious, I'm also the identifier of an arcane virus. I'm trying to find someone help me get a wikipedia put up about it because it should be listed.
So the next time you call ne a liar or an idiot just remember I can prove you are both. Just like you have no proof of anything else you fantasise about Pinocchio.
I never announced to be a master at anything you moron. You might have come to that conclusion based on moronic assumptions, which you do a lot then you turn around and call me ponocioo.
Originally posted by itsthetooth
reply to post by flyingfish
Well here, read it for yourself.
Again you fall on the argument from ignorance.
WEAK SAUCE.
en.wikipedia.org...
As you can see, its never applied to humans, you have just made bold assumptions.
Originally posted by colin42
reply to post by itsthetooth
Page 7 of your topic 'Its officila God was a space astronaught 'In Skunk works, 8 posts down You wrote
Going to school and being a master are two different things you idiot.
Which makes your comment to me a great big lie.
I'm a science major, if its not obvious, I'm also the identifier of an arcane virus. I'm trying to find someone help me get a wikipedia put up about it because it should be listed.
So the next time you call ne a liar or an idiot just remember I can prove you are both. Just like you have no proof of anything else you fantasise about Pinocchio.
I never announced to be a master at anything you moron. You might have come to that conclusion based on moronic assumptions, which you do a lot then you turn around and call me ponocioo.
edit on 24-3-2012 by colin42 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by itsthetooth
I didn't say that, but I'm glad you brought it up. There is something golden that I think you should read for yourself to better understand what is going on. If you look up mitochondrial DNA on wiki and read the entire article, you will notice that they claim to have mapped the entire genome. You will also notice that they are making a claim that we have a common ancestor 200,000 years ago. Whats funny is that they are also bolding admitting that this obviously rules out religion and adds more credibility to the idea of evolution. Then they turn around and say that they need to look to more pioneering ideas to come up with final answers.
You think evolution claims that our species is but a few thousand years old?
They have totally omitted our actuall age, even though they claim to have mapped the entire genome. The reason why they are saying we need to look at more pioneering ideas is IMO because our true age is older than earth, and well thats not suppose to be possible. They surly couldn't publish such a finding because all it would do is make people laugh at them and destory there credibility.
What I meant in the previous reply is that its a little odd that we bring nothing to the table from our earlier days. I think we can say there is arrows, camp fires, stone tools, arrow heads, and thats about it. You actually expect me to believe that the millions of years prior to biblical times we lived like cavemen and never advanced. , then you want me to believe that all of a sudden things just took off, and we have the wheel, vehicles, electronics, weapons of mass destruction,
Originally posted by itsthetooth
reply to post by rhinoceros
But if this were true we would have large groups of species that couldn't sucessfully breed with there counterparts. And we don't have that. Almost all humans can interbreed with each other, with a very rare instance here and there. In addition we would have a plethora of sub species with all of the 5 million species on this planet, we also don't have that.
Yes, but that is not gradual accumulation of micro. Gradual means, that it happens over a long period of time. Inducing mutations on fruit flies by radiation is not gradual change over a long period of time. And again, evolution does not happen on the level of individuals. It's gradual change over long period of time. Repeat after me: gradual change over a long period of time.
Originally posted by itsthetooth
Ok lets look at this. 100,000 known fly species. First off, is there 100,000 different names to go with each of them? After all when a new species is found, we are very quck to name them for credit. I would like to see something that backs up what your saying here.
Well I can't disprove it any more than god being a space alien or that there are pink unicorns in the sky, did you have something that actualy proves it?
Look here. If only, you would also provide evidence when asked.
p.s. the wiki speciation article doesn't answer the following in any way:
So again, prove that 'micro' (undeniable fact) accumulation doesn't result in 'macro'. Understand, that the only way such can happen is, if there's some force that deliberately prevents gradual accumulation of change from an earlier type. Even then, you would still have to explain the fossil record, I mean, if there was some mechanism that prevented gradual accumulation of too much change, then where are the 100 million year old fossils that are nearly identical to present day life?
Denial is the PRIMARY psychological symptom of addiction. It is an automatic and unconscious component of addictions. Addicts are often the last to recognize their disease, pursuing their addictions into the gates of insanity, the collapse of health and ultimately death.
Originally posted by colin42
reply to post by itsthetooth
Page 7 of your topic 'Its officila God was a space astronaught 'In Skunk works, 8 posts down You wrote
Going to school and being a master are two different things you idiot.
Which makes your comment to me a great big lie.
I'm a science major, if its not obvious, I'm also the identifier of an arcane virus. I'm trying to find someone help me get a wikipedia put up about it because it should be listed.
So the next time you call ne a liar or an idiot just remember I can prove you are both. Just like you have no proof of anything else you fantasise about Pinocchio.
I never announced to be a master at anything you moron. You might have come to that conclusion based on moronic assumptions, which you do a lot then you turn around and call me ponocioo.
edit on 24-3-2012 by colin42 because: (no reason given)
What was this an answer too? Let me recap the point. I originally wrote:
Children did not know how to read in biblical times you idiot so I doubt very seriously if the book was meant to be a fairy tale.
You replied:
He must be aware due to his aledged background that it is he that must provide proof that the bible is what he says as he is the one claiming it to be factual.
My response to that was:
No one can prove the bible, and you know this. Geeze.
Your latest reply is:
And so you, by your very own words cannot use it as a document of fact.
Now I never once mentioned fairy tales. Never called it a childrens book so it appears your reading skills or lack of, have let you down again and you are the idiot.
Children did not know how to read in biblical times you idiot so I doubt very seriously if the book was meant to be a fairy tale.
No I meant do you have any proof that it happens or even happened in humans at all? The only info I can find about speciation is on aquatic life.
Just though of yet another problem for Pye and you. He claims the chromosome 2 fusion is thanks to aliens, yes? You take this to mean, that humans came on this planet a rather short time ago, right? So, how do you explain the fact, that we can actually date the fusion event to a rather high certainty (molecular clock from the degradation rate of the useless now middle telomere sequences), and it's millions of years old..
p.s. No, I don't have anything that proves that a lot of micro isn't in fact macro. I'm arguing to the contrary..
Not at all, I am a science major, whats the problem?
Going to school and being a master are two different things you idiot.
Page 7 of your topic 'Its officila God was a space astronaught 'In Skunk works, 8 posts down You wrote
I'm a science major, if its not obvious, I'm also the identifier of an arcane virus. I'm trying to find someone help me get a wikipedia put up about it because it should be listed.
Which makes your comment to me a great big lie.
And I stick by my words you moron. I'm a science major not a science master. OMG get a life.
I never announced to be a master at anything you moron. You might have come to that conclusion based on moronic assumptions, which you do a lot then you turn around and call me ponocioo.
So the next time you call ne a liar or an idiot just remember I can prove you are both. Just like you have no proof of anything else you fantasise about Pinocchio
I suggest you go back to school Id and learn the difference between major and master. What an idiot LOL.
Hahahahahaha lololololol
this should be the standard response to anything this ignoramus says.
Well done sir, when i read the original denial of the claim i was all set to hunt this down and quote it myself. Theres actualy another denial relating to tooth stating that " humans suddenly appearing from apes in biblical time", on the prevous page with the standard "i didnt say that" when questioned on it. And the best thing is, he cant refute it cos its time over on edit. I guess this will be ignored.
seems to be happening quite a lot.
Oh not at all because that seems to be the direction that some other idiots on here are going towards. It obviously wasn't meant to be a childrens book.
Now I never once mentioned fairy tales. Never called it a childrens book so it appears your reading skills or lack of, have let you down again and you are the idiot.
Now address the point that if you cannot, by your own admission 'prove the bible' you cannot use it as a document of fact.
Wow your just eager beaver to get that bible set aside at any costs aren't you? Whats wrong Colin does the bible pose a threat to the very idea of evolution? Does it put wrench in your works? Why don't you learn to master your own,,,,,better yet major your own subject before you go putting others down.
Now address the point that if you cannot, by your own admission 'prove the bible' you cannot use it as a document of fact.
Just like with the theory of evolution, you sure do assume a lot. Your assuming that just because I majored in a science background, that I in fact mastered the subject.
Going to school and being a master are two different things you idiot.
Page 7 of your topic 'Its officila God was a space astronaught 'In Skunk works, 8 posts down You wrote
I'm a science major, if its not obvious, I'm also the identifier of an arcane virus. I'm trying to find someone help me get a wikipedia put up about it because it should be listed.
Which makes your comment to me a great big lie.
I never announced to be a master at anything you moron. You might have come to that conclusion based on moronic assumptions, which you do a lot then you turn around and call me ponocioo.
So the next time you call ne a liar or an idiot just remember I can prove you are both. Just like you have no proof of anything else you fantasise about Pinocchio.
Originally posted by itsthetooth
Speciation has never been observed in humans, and its only been observed in some aquatic life and a few others. Why are so many people making that bold leap into humans?
Macro evolution has never been witnessed and they also aren't able to identify it with all the bones and fossils from millions of years ago. Ever wonder why? Are you sure your not making another bold assumption that macro evolution can even exist? Everything I read up on said the species dies rather quickly at that.