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Originally posted by spikey
reply to post by VitriolAndAngst
I'd like to give you more than one star for that post, but i can't.
If nothing else, for your passion and reason.
Originally posted by Yankee451
reply to post by DragonriderGal
And ya, will never be allowed to be 'explained' but that was a good catch. Why would a maryland 'collapse rescue team be close enough to help?? And really?? A collapse rescue team at all? Sounds like someone is planning to collapse a bunch o' stuff to me, if they've gone to all the trouble to create that team.
Yeah...but I think the word "collapse" was the operative word...that they wanted to plant the suggestion of collapse. I know it sounds simplistic, but I bet that was a carefully planned shot.
See how one photograph can keep us so busy? I have spent god knows how many hours counting rivets and looking at the backgrounds of blurry photographs, without ever questioning the source of the photos...or their veracity.
Don't take my word for it...it could be my power of suggestion at work here, but now when you see shots like this can you imagine how helpless the folks of Germany must have been?
I see this as an obviously staged shot, but I've had ten years of trial and error on the Internet to peel away the layers.
Originally posted by zerimar65
Originally posted by hooper
reply to post by Scalded Frog
It's a well documented fact that Bush and Cheney gave their testimony together refusing to take an oath and in private... not a typical way to give testimony. Why?
They are the Executive Branch of a government that constitutionally recognizes that the three branches of government are equals. The Commission was an extension of the Legislative Branch. Hence no oath because it would set a precendent that the Executive could be rendered subervient to the Legislative. This is old stuff. Private because it was dealing with matters of national security.
The problem with any lie is you can't trust anything from that point forward.
Well, thats your take on it. Reason dictates otherwise. A person, out of vanity may lie about their age, that is no reason to reject their other testimony.
Where do you come up with this? Bush and Cheney's testimony regarding 9/11 had nothing to do with the three branches of government. If they were under oath, they would have sworn to tell the truth. It would not have set ANY precedent that would render the Executive branch subservient to the Legislative branch. Their testimony was not recorded and no news cameras were allowed in, but that had nothing to do with matters of national security. Besides, at that point, it was kind of late to be worried about national security. You're just making it up as you go along.
It is true about lies. Especially when an elected official lies about something important. Who knows and who cares if somebody lies about their age. That has nothing to do with this. That is a lame comparison.
Originally posted by VitriolAndAngst
Originally posted by spikey
reply to post by VitriolAndAngst
I'd like to give you more than one star for that post, but i can't.
If nothing else, for your passion and reason.
Thanks.
There isn't much consolation to being a "Truther."
>> Maybe one day once all the ice caps have melted, and we are all share-cropping on our "Owner's farm" -- maybe it will be called "Visa Plantation" -- while our children fight wars in Ethiopia for the last Lithium mine on earth -- one of the guys whipping us to keep working will say; "You know, you were right about that whole inside job thing. But hey, it worked out for me -- I'm in charge!" He will cackle and take a long drink of water while pouring the rest out on the ground. "Yeah, I've got it all; comfy chair, no backbreaking work, and I'm first in line for gruel."
All the paid bloggers will get the whips, you know -- it's in their contract.
Originally posted by DragonriderGal
Originally posted by VitriolAndAngst
Originally posted by spikey
reply to post by VitriolAndAngst
I'd like to give you more than one star for that post, but i can't.
If nothing else, for your passion and reason.
Thanks.
There isn't much consolation to being a "Truther."
>> Maybe one day once all the ice caps have melted, and we are all share-cropping on our "Owner's farm" -- maybe it will be called "Visa Plantation" -- while our children fight wars in Ethiopia for the last Lithium mine on earth -- one of the guys whipping us to keep working will say; "You know, you were right about that whole inside job thing. But hey, it worked out for me -- I'm in charge!" He will cackle and take a long drink of water while pouring the rest out on the ground. "Yeah, I've got it all; comfy chair, no backbreaking work, and I'm first in line for gruel."
All the paid bloggers will get the whips, you know -- it's in their contract.
Actually the NWO bunch/Illuminati are not going to keep the dis-info agents around. They've proven they don't have any loyalty, not even to their own kind. They'll be some of the first killed, I suspect. The Illuminati hate traitors. But of course, that isn't what they tell them.. *lol*
Originally posted by waypastvne
reply to post by DragonriderGal
That picture was taken days after Sept 11.
If you want to know about "Collapse rescue team Maryland" then type it in and click search.
Originally posted by hooper
reply to post by ProphetOfZeal
Yeah, sure, that's why we sent in the SEALS to blow his sorry ass to hell - because he wasn't wanted for 9/11.
Verified by?, conclusive evidence available where?, I know, let`s ask the Seals who were on this mission....Oh wait.
What evidence are you basing this statement on?.edit on 25-8-2011 by Seventh because: Typo
Over 90% of floor truss connections at or below the impact floors of both buildings were either bent downward or completely sheared from the exterior wall suggesting progressive overloading of the floors below the impact zone following collapse initiation of the towers. Depending upon joint geometry, detachment of the main truss seats occurred either by fracture in the heat-affected zone of the base material, where the standoff plate detached from the spandrel, or through the weld metal, where the seat angle detached from the standoff plate. Failure in both cases was the result of a shear mechanism due to an overload condition.
Originally posted by VitriolAndAngst
>> I was really making a joke. I actually suspect a lot of these "Wealthy Elite" might funnel money to shills like Rush Limbaugh -- who do nothing but attack college professors and these "intellectual snobs", might USE the anti-intellectual rhetoric... I do figure that THEY kind of want the same world the Liberals want -- they just don't think we can get there without wiping out all the cowards, traitors, know-nothings and college drop-outs.
THEY NEED the religious and patriots -- but they don't like them. I see a need for all types of people in this world -- but the elite do not. They actually LOVE Hollywood, and the talented tree-huggers -- they are just cynics, however and do not think you can TRAIN the ignorant in this world.
However -- I believe you can never raise the bar unless you are willing to pull everyone up.
>> This world is getting over-crowded. My solution; women's rights, prosperity, education and birth control. Without immigration, the USA would have a negative growth rate (which is what Japan is experiencing). Wherever women get control of their destiny and education -- the birth rate falls. Wherever there is war, famine and ignorance -- you've got a population crisis.
The super wealthy elite are EITHER totally selfish -- which would make me think they would have NO AGENDA -- or they have a "mythos" -- wherein all their actions are justified because "they will save humanity!" That's why they lie, steel and molest little kids -- because of the stress of all the burdens of the future on their shoulders. Reading Ayn Rand -- you either think you are god's gift to the world -- or you are a cog in the wheel and should be ashamed.
I got laid off to find a cheaper employee -- so I'm a cog now.
>> There are automated manufacturing plants that require about 100 workers going into service -- rather than 10,000. Once the "singularity" gets here -- 99.9% of everyone is a "cog in the wheel" -- and only the OWNERS of the robotic factories will matter. If we don't have a different concept of "useful" or society by then -- it's going to be really, really a sad future for useless people.
I don't like the "Illuminati" stories - -not that they might not be true -- but you cannot "act" upon them. I prefer to say; "Goldman Sachs" -- because there is a name. An evil bank that has been in on every big financial collapse we've lived through. They don't represent some mythological symbol or an ethnic group -- it's a corporation that has names, dates and actions.
If 9/11 is unthinkable -- that it would be a false flag -- I think America suffers from both a lack of imagination and knowledge of history.
Where do these people get these talking points? I mean, when they hauled Bill Clinton in to ask about where his Willy was and when -- they prostrated him in front of the judge on national TV. I'm surprised they didn't have pay-per-view tickets.
It’s 1991 and George HW Bush is about to get replaced as president by Bill Clinton. My folks still miss Clinton; most democrats do, but that’s because they’ve never heard of his drug running with the Bush clan out of Mena Arkansas while he was Governor:
After the Iran-Contra scandal erupted, individuals began to come forward with stories that the same planes that ferried guns down to Nicaragua were ferrying back coc aine for sale in the United States. Cocaine whose profits were the real source of funding for the Contra's custom made (and numberless) M-16s. These individuals included military personnel such as Eugene Wheaton, and pilots such as Richard Brenneke, and Terry Reed, who claimed they were part of the guns and drugs operation itself. Some, like Chip Tatum, had documents proving their claims. Others were highly respected law enforcement officers and members of government, such as William Duncan, L.D. Brown, and others, who had stumbled on the drug running operation and tried to expose it. Some of those who had knowledge of Mena started to die.
"I have put thousands of Americans away for tens of thousands of years for less evidence for conspiracy with less evidence than is available against Ollie North and CIA people. . . . I personally was involved in a deep-cover case that went to the top of the drug world in three countries. The CIA killed it." Former DEA Agent Michael Levine CNBC-TV, October 8, 1996
"The connections piled up quickly. Contra planes flew north to the U.S., loaded with coc aine, then returned laden with cash. All under the protective umbrella of the United States Government. My informants were perfectly placed: one worked with the Contra pilots at their base, while another moved easily among the Salvadoran military officials who protected the resupply operation. They fed me the names of Contra pilots. Again and again, those names showed up in the DEA database as documented drug traffickers.
"When I pursued the case, my superiors quietly and firmly advised me to move on to other investigations."
Former DEA Agent Celerino Castillo Powder Burns, 1992
Originally posted by waypastvne
OK Witch Hunter lets talk about propaganda for a while.
Originally posted by waypastvne
reply to post by Yankee451
You didn't answer the 2 questions I was interested in:
Where did you get that information from ?
What made you believe it ?
If you can't see you are swallowing and repeating Truther propaganda then, you are not aware of your own susceptibility to propaganda. Did you believe "six steel reinforced concrete walls" without questioning it. When I heard it I went and looked at the pictures for my self. I could see there were no signs of interior walls in any of the inside pictures. I could see the punch out hole was just 2 layers of brick, I even understood how the punch out hole was made. At that point I knew "six steel reinforced concrete walls" was propaganda.
My introduction to the existence of truthers happened on youtube around 2006 when I stumbled on a video that stated "a 757 did not crash in Shanksville" it directed me to killtowns website. I went there read it looked at the pictures and I saw this gif:
After seeing what is coming out of that hole (it's not smoke) I had 0 doubt that Flt 93 crashed there. And after that I knew that every thing the truth movement was telling me was propaganda. I do look at all of the evidence the truthers ask me to, if I didn't it would be like a joke without the punchline.
Where did you get that information from ?
What made you believe it ?
If you can't see you are swallowing and repeating Truther propaganda then, you are not aware of your own susceptibility to propaganda. Did you believe "six steel reinforced concrete walls" without questioning it. When I heard it I went and looked at the pictures for my self. I could see there were no signs of interior walls in any of the inside pictures. I could see the punch out hole was just 2 layers of brick, I even understood how the punch out hole was made. At that point I knew "six steel reinforced concrete walls" was propaganda.
My introduction to the existence of truthers happened on youtube around 2006 when I stumbled on a video that stated "a 757 did not crash in Shanksville" it directed me to killtowns website. I went there read it looked at the pictures and I saw this gif:
After seeing what is coming out of that hole (it's not smoke) I had 0 doubt that Flt 93 crashed there. And after that I knew that every thing the truth movement was telling me was propaganda. I do look at all of the evidence the truthers ask me to, if I didn't it would be like a joke without the punchline.
Originally posted by DragonriderGal
This one didn't have any reason to be different.. i
Originally posted by Yankee451
and the links to my sources are included on the thread.