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Consider that it is a church. They may never have had to face an issue like this before. A Christian who refuses to pray? Really? I do not say that the church has handled this well or professionally at all. The church and the pastor should have taken him aside. If he still refused to pray, they should have asked themselves..."What would Jesus do?". Jesus would not fire him. Jesus would not coerce him. Jesus would have us live our lives and allow his light to show through our lives. They have not won a soul for Jesus in this manner.
Originally posted by jheated5
reply to post by sonofliberty1776
I don't see the difference in the two in this circumstance basically they SHOULD do it to save the church from any legal actions, of course it's not required but it looks a lot better on the church's end if they did.... If these things weren't specified the moment of employment than he does have a very strong leg to stand on imho......edit on 21-8-2011 by jheated5 because: (no reason given)
I agree 100%. He should freely express himself and get a job he can believe in.
Originally posted by whaaa
reply to post by TrueAmerican
Never, ever give in to BS authority figures, be they religious, government or anyone else wanting to inflict their ideology on you. You are a free man and allowed to express yourself within the confines of the law.
Originally posted by sonofliberty1776
I agree 100%. He should freely express himself and get a job he can believe in.
Originally posted by whaaa
reply to post by TrueAmerican
Never, ever give in to BS authority figures, be they religious, government or anyone else wanting to inflict their ideology on you. You are a free man and allowed to express yourself within the confines of the law.
Originally posted by Honor93
please correct me if i'm wrong but no where was it stated that he is being singled out.
Originally posted by TrueAmerican
There are three demands, two of which are reasonable, so no need to post those two. But here, verbatim, is the one I have a major problem with:
To summarize our phone conversation here are three duties I need you to do each week:
1. No problem
2. No problem.
*3. Be present on stage with the worship team for prayer before rehearsals. This is part of my vision for the unity and oneness of purpose of our team.
PROBLEM.
Now if this was a staff meeting, I would have no problem with it. But it is a lengthy prayer session in which they take prayer needs, and everyone involved goes around talking about their latest problems and then all of that is incorporated into the prayer- which every member also prays aloud during this time.
Over time it has made me feel uncomfortable, as I rarely say a word. I'm there for work, and often with very little sleep. I take care of my prayer stuff at my house. Again, NONE of this was EVER an issue, mentioned or brought up years ago or since from my point of hire. But all of a sudden now it is.
I don't think you can "fire" volunteers. Maybe he should just be a volunteer then?
Originally posted by Wyn Hawks
Originally posted by Honor93
please correct me if i'm wrong but no where was it stated that he is being singled out.
...gosh, another one that didnt read the op...
But you gotta pray with the worship team or be fired. Never mind that they are not demanding this of anyone else but me. The volunteer guys that run the video side of things? Nope, they show up much later- no demands on them. The musicians in the band who regularly come in late and miss the prayer session altogether? Nope- no demands on them either. I guess they won't rock the boat with the volunteers. But they will with the paid staff- oh yeah.
The praying part is no big deal. It's not about that at all. It's the principle of it. That a church full of supposed Christians is going to force that on one of their very own employees. I am just stunned. I don't know what to do, other than just quit- which I don't really want to do.
Originally posted by TrueAmerican
Right now I am fuming over this, and need to get this off my chest.
Originally posted by TrueAmerican
Originally posted by davidgrouchy
If this is a follow up to a phone call,
to a "baptized" member of the church
then it is a completely different matter.- [color=gold] I am not a baptized member of the church.