Men and Child support. What is the answer?

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reply to post by thehoneycomb


Glancing over that list I can see things I agrre with and things I don't. But you are far off topic now. Start a socialism thread.

reply to post by CobraCommander


I am posting the ideology that took your child away from you as we speak. WAKE THE HELL UP!

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by CobraCommander

 

I am posting the ideology that took your child away from you as we speak. WAKE THE HELL UP!

No child was taken from me.

reply to post by CobraCommander


Well then, I have armed you with the knowledge to not ever let it happen to you.

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by CobraCommander

 

Well then, I have armed you with the knowledge to not ever let it happen to you.

Son, you have armed no one with anything. You marched into a thread trying to spout a political agenda that has nothing to do with practical solutions.

I can assure you that I am not here for political reasons, I have been stripped of all my pride and forget everything that I own it is worthless. If I am only here to push a political agenda then I am a fool.

It may take some time for this to sink in and it will undoubtedly, I do not expect it to happen tonight. But in peace we are friends and if we are at war we are enemies and you can count your blessings as they come, but if you f# w my family you are definitely my enemy, I am not calling you an enemy but simply drawing a line in the sand and if you choose to cross it then I will hope thaat you have a firm reliance on divine providence and know exactly where you stand.

For those who are reading tonight please repost the points made on pages 69 and 70. I try to do my part and share what I have learned but in no means am I the authority, I just hope that this information can be useful to struggling fathers such as myself and my brothers ans sisters as well..Goodnight.

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
I can assure you that I am not here for political reasons, I have been stripped of all my pride and forget everything that I own it is worthless. If I am only here to push a political agenda then I am a fool.

It may take some time for this to sink in and it will undoubtedly, I do not expect it to happen tonight. But in peace we are friends and if we are at war we are enemies and you can count your blessings as they come, but if you f# w my family you are definitely my enemy, I am not calling you an enemy but simply drawing a line in the sand and if you choose to cross it then I will hope thaat you have a firm reliance on divine providence and know exactly where you stand.

Drunk posting.

reply to post by CobraCommander


You got me there!

Men and Child support. What is the answer?

Keep it in your pants!!!

reply to post by thehoneycomb


Lol, cheers fellow traveler. I just went to the store for a beer, and got hit by the drunk bus. How's that for irony.

Listen to this women.

Carol Rhodes exposes the corrupt child support agencies



Edit to add...

This video was taken in 2007,four freakin years ago!

There shouldn`t be another day with this system.This is proof as well that the MSM is controlled,all you ever hear about is dead beat dads and those that commit murder suicide etc.

Years ago when this affected myself suicide rates for men were higher than the nations road toll and probably still is today.Also some of the nations road toll could be through men commiting suicide.Though we would never hear that through the MSM but drive safe adverts have always been on here in Australia as far back as I can remember.

Thanks for posting that video.

Originally posted by Annee
The minute your zipper went down - - you became 50% responsible.

That's called biology.

50% responsible for a lump of tissue that the woman can unilaterally throw in the garbage.

If a man doesn't want a child he should pay half the cost of an abortion, nothing more.

Only the woman's unilateral choice can create a child.

When you make a unilateral choice you become 100% resonsible for the results.

That's called being an adult. Only petulant little brats expect someone else to pay for the results of their own unilateral choices.

reply to post by CaDreamer


I don't know how you feel, can only imagine...but i am sympathetic to your situations!

I have been a single mother since i was 19! He completely changed the day our son was born and took off on us a few weeks later...i think he was just scared when he finally looked into his eyes and realized how much the child was relying on him!

Needless to say we were friends still but he would pop in and out whenever it was convenient...$5.00 here and $5.00 there in support payments. When our son was 2.5years old he was put in jail for violation of probation...and then committed suicide a week before his release(i never understood this...and have always felt it was a very selfish thing to do). This tore me apart! And knowing that our son would never know his father or get to do things with his father, has just been completely devastating to me(and our son) ever since!

My point being....My son is 13 now...I CAN ONLY WISH that his father was alive so that i didn't have to answer all these questions he has...this has tore him up more then anything in his whole life! Over the years i have watched these girls be complete a**es to the fathers with the child support, i mean some deserved it, but these were woman that had great fathers for their children and they themselves were the ones chasing away the father, or useing the child against the father and spending the support on themselves instead of what the child needs (and believe me these children did need a lot of stuff) and living off the system....partying...ect. I felt so bad for these kids!

My aunt decided to not tell anyone who the father of her oldest son was until Social services FINALLY got her too...by then it had been like 12 years....then when the guy found out,.....he wanted everything to do with this kid! Then don't she take him to court for child support because social services made her and then they went back to the day the child was born for back support...I just couldn't believe this and then guess what....the father backed away!

I also see your point with support in your thread....but woman could be more considerate of the fathers of their children! Yes i agree there probably should be a deduction cause most woman aren't like i! Like one gentlemen had stated they have four children...OKAY....until this year you could only really claim two and get actual credit for it, so why isn't the mother letting the father claim the other two?! She just on her high horse and being hateful...i mean as long as he is doing everything he can to help her out and make sure the kids have everything they need why not?!

I do have to ask with men who are paying child day care with their support can't you claim/get a deduction on that?

And for the woman that do what they are suppose to be doing with the monies....i do want to point out (i guess this is depending on the fathers wage though) It costs A LOT more to take care of children that actually live with you full time, then PT!! BUT i also know men that have great jobs and have to pay ridiculous amounts of money just for one child!!!!

I do think something needs to be done because OBVIOUSLY no one can have compassion for anyone anymore in this world when it comes to ex-relationships...there is always some one in the EX relationship that has to be an A*s and its very rare that it isn't that way!

I also think that the government butting their noses into families and snip all the time is what is driving familys apart and has alot to do with it!

My biggest pet peeve is seeing some guy that took off out of state leaving his children behind...to run off with some woman he met on the internet type crap and then decide taking care of her kids is what is more important then taking care of his own...and then re-appearing eight years later on his high horse demanding things and trying to have a say.... that makes me want to vomit!

So lots to think about/read there....sorry for rambling on. My main point was that Woman should just be happy that their children HAVE a father to begin with and let the child decide for themselves how they feel about that parent...cause how would you feel looking into your childs eyes every single day and seeing his pain inside and the depression because a piece of him is missing and he will never ever find it...EVER...and there is absolutely nothing that you can do to take their pain away..... all he can do is hopefully sooner or later is learn to cope with it and move on.

PS. again sorry for rambling!

Originally posted by dizzie_lizzie79
reply to post by CaDreamer

 

I do have to ask with men who are paying child day care with their support can't you claim/get a deduction on that?

No, Non-Custodial Fathers aren't allowed any deductions. To make matters worse Child Support comes out before taxes, but non-custodial's have to also pay the tax on the child support.

Originally posted by dizzie_lizzie79
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My biggest pet peeve is seeing some guy that took off out of state leaving his children behind...to run off with some woman he met on the internet type crap

I think that is mostly projection. The whole "/tears husband ran away for his secretary" is mostly BS lies made up by feminist's and Hollywood to justify the current child support paradigm. When in reality women are by and large far MORE likely to divorce their partner for a newer younger model and much,much more likely to "meet someone new online and run away". So much so that I have to ask you if you yourself ever done this to a person, because your assertion reeks of self projection.

Child support is slavery. Those involved in it(receiving it) are slave masters and will be judged as such.

reply to post by CaDreamer


A legal obligation to help another person for nothing in return is slavery. Fathers therefore have a right to abandon their children. If other people cared so much about them, they'd take over where the father left off. Its so high and mighty of people to force people to take care of children when they them self would offer exactly zero to the cause.

If that were not the case, and fathers actually were right to be forced into slavery, then the system is still none the less entirely corrupt and immoral. Why? The money isn't going to the children! Its going to the mother who clearly spends the money flagrantly in many cases. The way it should work is that the mother buys something, and then the father re-reimburses the money if its something going to the kids that is actually *needed*.

For example... the mother buys groceries. Okay, she pays one third and the father re-imburses the other 2/3rds because that is what the mother has spent on the children. And as for the shelter, the father should pay only for the cost of the additional bedroom needed for the children. He can also re-imburse the actual cost of clothing, up to a reasonable point like $250 per year per child. This is just an example of an idea of what a non-barbaric system may look like... obviously its never going to happen so I'm not going to argue the details.

The idea of sending someone to jail over not paying owed money is a barbaric debtors prison. People who advocate for it are the ones who belong in prison! Personally if I was divorced I wouldn't in all likelyhood be sending a dime to my ex-wife because that isn't who the money is supposed to go to. I'd offer to re-imburse for selected expenses and maybe go a step further than necessarily and help with more than just an extra bedroom or two if she couldn't get any housing. But any more than that and I'd straight up move out of the country because I am morally opposed to slavery and don't see how its much different than the 1700's when people owned blacks as slaves.

Originally posted by korathin

Originally posted by dizzie_lizzie79
reply to post by CaDreamer

 

Originally posted by dizzie_lizzie79
reply to post by CaDreamer

 

My biggest pet peeve is seeing some guy that took off out of state leaving his children behind...to run off with some woman he met on the internet type crap

I think that is mostly projection. The whole "/tears husband ran away for his secretary" is mostly BS lies made up by feminist's and Hollywood to justify the current child support paradigm. When in reality women are by and large far MORE likely to divorce their partner for a newer younger model and much,much more likely to "meet someone new online and run away". So much so that I have to ask you if you yourself ever done this to a person, because your assertion reeks of self projection.

Child support is slavery. Those involved in it(receiving it) are slave masters and will be judged as such.

NO! I have not done this myself! I would not state such a thing if i had! I have a sister in law who's ex-husband did this..thank you very much...she was devastated! Its been over eight years since...and she has just finally moved on!
If you even read my post thoroughly you would of seen the fact that my oldest sons father is Deceased...thank you very much and the father of my other two i am am still with...we struggle sometimes with our relationship...but you know what....we love our children way too much to give up on our Love and our LOVE has NEVER been in question and never will be as far as i can see it because we both are people that talk out our problems and find ways to resolve them instead of just simply giving up on our family!! Even if something did happen between us...i would not have an issue with letting him claim at least one one the children as long as he was doing that part! So your whole hatred for woman pal....doesn't fly with me because i am not the Hoe bags that your referring too, maybe you should learn to be a better judge of character when it comes to woman...thank you very much!

Let me ask you something! Do you expect to have children and not help raise them?? From most of the men i have seen on here have absolutely no problem with that...it is the fact of how much they are being kicked in the A*s for! I agree with them! A lot of men that are working their tails off to provide for their children AND themselves are paying way to much! But there are also men that just DO NOT GIVE A SNIP!!! I think this whole paying a certain percentage of your pay checks is NON sense!!! It should be based more along the lines of HALF of the average cost a month to care for a child...NOT a percentage!!

Does anyone get what i am trying to say here?
Why am i the bad guy? I am agreeing with most! I am also just stating facts that i know of and have observed over the past 13 years or more! And also the fact that woman should be more then happy with your child HAVING and KNOWING their DAD's!

reply to post by civilchallenger

The money isn't going to the children! Its going to the mother who clearly spends the money flagrantly in many cases.

I am living dirt poor and the old bitty up north is living like she is a queen. She has three different dudes paying her child support. LJ01 was played for a fool..

It's alright, it all comes full circle at some point and time.

I forgot to add that the state charges $3 a month for fees. It is a seperate charge that I tend to forget about(to say the least). I owe them $350 by July 1st or I am being held in contempt. I have the money, barely...but I am going to take my sweet time.

I am paying child support though.