Muslim girl, 19, 'stoned to death after taking part in beauty contest'

So did religion cause this?
Interpretation of religion?
Religious/cultural peer pressure?
People worrying about what the neighbors might think?

So many questions.

I don't see much information or evidence in that article to support the sensationalised headline. Who gave the ruling that these three youths could stone this girl to death? I don't support Sharia Law or bad journalism.

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I had said from the beginning that even if she was deemed a "slut" because of what she wore, then the punishment was still not Islamically legitimate (i.e., abiding by Sharia). God has ordered that women cover themselves, thus it is ordered by the males.

I never said that if she didn't cover herself as her male wants then it wouldn't occur.

Originally posted by Stewie
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I don't see much outrage.
I see few war protestors, and a whole lot of censorship on atrocities committed in your name.
Happy Memorial day, count the dead on all sides just since September 11, and the death of this girl pales by comparison.
But, it is certainly a life. But, who is counting.

I understand you completely. I agree with you mostly. I don't give a crap who judges me though, because I'm not a Christian, Jew, or Muslim, therefore I don't believe that I am wicked and sinful from birth, and do everything that I can to adhere to my own strict moral code.
As far as outrage and protest goes, if you knew me, you'd know that I'm the first one to stand in protest of wars and other atrocities that any nation causes, including this one.
They commit these crimes in my name as I don't support their system in any way, not even with taxes. Eventually, when our peaceful protest goes unheard long enough, and another type of revolution becomes inevitable, guess where I will be standing...

Muslims do this all the time. Very messed up religion.

But what do expect from people that followed a guy named Mohammed?

All of the Abrahamic religions need to be wiped off the planet.

Eliminated and forgotten. All of them.

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Maybe off topic, but my point is, don't judge lest YOU be judged.

So stop judging America.

Originally posted by nightbringr
When things like this with Sharia law happen over there, life goes on. Barely an alarm is raised, and often entire villages are complicit in the "justice". Justice of course meaning murder.

Do you honestly think that in the US a small town would band together to murder a 19 year old girl for somthing as innocent as going to a beauty paegent? If so, your delusional.

This happened in the Ukraine, which has a tiny percentage of Muslim citizens.

This has nothing to do with Sharia law; the alleged murderer only used that phrase when ''explaining'' his actions.

Attempting to justify and falsely rationalise your personal vices is a prevalent trait amongst humans, and it sounds like this a case of a sick-minded, warped psychopath who gets his jollies from brutally murdering someone. He then tries to defend his psychopathic behaviour by cowering behind a twisted interpretation of religious law and customs.

Stoning someone is less outrageous then participating in a beauty contest ?

and they do this because of religion ????

they have mental issues .. God would never accept that
the stoners will all go to hell .. im sure they took pleasure aiming rock at living target

WE SHOULD STONE THE WHOLE GROUP OF STONERS

Originally posted by pplrnuts
All of the Abrahamic religions need to be wiped off the planet.

Eliminated and forgotten. All of them.

With every year that passes you liberals remind me more and more of other socialist tyrants. You condemn Millions for the act of a few.

This is bad.

dont worry the 3 murderers were not "Muslims"

and you are being "ignorant" if you think this has anything to do with Islam

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lol, amen bro!

where are these guy's?

Originally posted by nightbringr

No. They are savage and backward compared to us, and the difference is this. When as you say, someone shoots up a "suspected" drug house and innocents are killed, people here are outraged.

When things like this with Sharia law happen over there, life goes on. Barely an alarm is raised, and often entire villages are complicit in the "justice". Justice of course meaning murder.

Do you honestly think that in the US a small town would band together to murder a 19 year old girl for somthing as innocent as going to a beauty paegent? If so, your delusional.

I don't see why people keep coming to the defense of Islam. The people who perpetrate these acts are using Islam as a defense. Honor killings seem to be an integral part of Islamic culture despite how much they try to seperate them. Why would the perpetrators use Islam to carry out these acts in the first place? I'm not buying it. Islam is just a despicable religion designed to give men the excuse to murder, rape and commit atrocities without suffering any consequences.

Originally posted by Ben81
Stoning someone is less outrageous then participating in a beauty contest ?

and they do this because of religion ????

Who are ''they'' ?

This case has nothing to do with Sharia law or Islam. It's a criminal case of murder, allegedly committed by a Ukrainian who used his personal ''interpretation'' of religious teachings to validate his psychopathic behaviour.

Originally posted by Ben81
im sure they took pleasure aiming rock at living target

I'm positive that they did - hence why they committed the crime in the first place.

Attempts the perpetrators to ''justify'' abhorrent criminal behaviour like this on the grounds of religious, political or philosophical ideology never stand up to scrutiny.

In stories like this, so many people commenting are getting the chicken and egg mixed up.

People do not realize that Islam indeed is a religion of violent savages that do support stonings of adulterers, killing of apostates and so on.

There are hundreds of millions of extremists supporting this, making up significant part of world muslims, often majorities. It is worse than nazism.

This is not in any way an exception or chance.

pewglobal.org...

Originally posted by mishigas

So stop judging America.

His post was the counterbalance to the typical American viewpoint, which is so slanted it's amazing it doesn't capsize. His point was fair and, I believe, needed since we could have had a healthy discussion about the influences of these things rather than having yet another American bumper sticker contest.

Incidentally, anyone who does not judge their own nation more strongly, or at least as strongly, as other nations is lazy and doing a disservice to their nation.

Peace
KJ

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Exactly, when people say "the extremists are but a few" they are wrong and ignorant to the truth

i bet their is between 3-10 million Muslim Extremists out there in the world (most probably more) who agree with actions like this (and all the other atrocities their "brothers" commit)

so its not just a few, its "millions" and these millions are growing in number each year

they have a huge army... and they are in your country already !!

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"How can they use their laws as excuse for murder".

A Typical Murderer Characteristic - They All Have an Excuse.

Originally posted by laiguana
I don't see why people keep coming to the defense of Islam. The people who perpetrate these acts are using Islam as a defense.

Some Christians have frequently used their religion to justify immoral acts in the past and present; some political movements, notably the Nazis, the Khmer Rouge, Maoist China and the post-WWII Eastern-bloc communist regimes, have used their political beliefs to justify genocide and torture on the most unimaginable scale.

Humans aren't the nice, cuddly pacifist species that so many idealists would like to pretend that we are.

Of course people will claim some external motivating factor as ''justification'' for their actions, because it may socially validate the behaviour within their family or community, and because it will also ease any lingering worries that may arise within their nagging, panging conscience.

Originally posted by laiguana
Honor killings seem to be an integral part of Islamic culture despite how much they try to seperate them.

Honour killings are cultural: they are especially prevalent in some regions of South Asia, where some Sikh and Hindu families kill family members for the same reasons. There have been cases in India where a Sikh father has killed his daughter because she wants to marry a man who is not a Sikh.

Even amongst the anti-religious people, Sikhism is generally quite well respected, yet these same ''anti-religious'' people will cherry-pick the bad news that portrays Islam and Muslims in a negative light.

Originally posted by laiguana
Why would the perpetrators use Islam to carry out these acts in the first place? I'm not buying it.

You are another poster who is getting the chicken and egg mixed up.

Psychopathic acts of torture and murder are realities of human nature which cross national, racial, religious and cultural boundaries.

Originally posted by laiguana
Islam is just a despicable religion designed to give men the excuse to murder, rape and commit atrocities without suffering any consequences.

This story comes from the Ukraine, where 99% of the population aren't Muslim, so these murderers will face severe legal consequences for their crime.

If Muslims are such a terrible, dangerous and violent group, then we are very lucky that 99% of the 1.5 billion adherents don't cause murder and mayhem.