Why Would ANYONE Vote for Obama With His Incredible Corruption History?

Originally posted by queenofsheba
Um yeah...we all know that with Reagan our presidency was sold out to the corporations and not alot has changed since then. So it's truly not shocking that Obama would be any different. Why anyone would think otherwise at this stage in the game is beyond me. You really think your vote counts?

Happy Saturday!

When I read posts like this, I fear for the future of our country. What ever happened to "fighting for freedom", "fighting for your rights"? Is apathy on the menu today and every day?
I, for one, will NOT give in, give up.

I will NOT go gentle, into that dark night. (Dylan Thomas)

You know it'd be nice if someone actually addressed the corruption issues that are brought about in the OP? And for the record, I screamed just as loudly about Bush back in the day. I don't really have any political affiliation. I just hate corruption and lying, scumbag politicians. ALL of them. Ron Paul is the only one I would feel good about putting in there.

reply to post by TrueAmerican


Um, I did. The whole, "change from all sides" type of thing? The whole, "Just putting a new head on the hydra" thing?
The whole, "get involved" thing?

The keyword for past Bush and present Obama administration is "deception".

■ Bush had the bravery and guts to deceive the world into Afghanistan and Iraq wars
■ Unlike Bush, Obama is a gutless coward by using much social media and mainstream media help to coverup US involvement in Arab countries revolts and Libya crisis

reply to post by beezzer


Unfortunately, that's the way it has become. I never thought I'd ever feel this way to be honest with ya. But since Bush's last presidency (voted for him the first time) I lost trust in my government. I'm not any different than anyone else just perhaps wiser now. I may be going through a stage of apathy and anger, who knows? Just speaking my truth at the moment.

Originally posted by queenofsheba
reply to post by beezzer

 

Unfortunately, that's the way it has become. I never thought I'd ever feel this way to be honest with ya. But since Bush's last presidency (voted for him the first time) I lost trust in my government. I'm not any different than anyone else just perhaps wiser now. I may be going through a stage of apathy and anger, who knows? Just speaking my truth at the moment.

Apathy is what "they" want, Ma'am. Fighters are what "they" are afraid of. People who use their voice. People who will fight for change. Hell, I get frustrated. I get fed up.

But I will not give in.

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Oh he**....you convinced me. Dang it, I'll vote again and be on the list for jury duty (lost my last summer to) but yes, you're right! You're right! We live in the best country in the world and have the freedoms that others only dream about, right? Yes, you are right. I will not go gently into the night, either. Thank you for the reminder. I do have children I need to teach after all. Sometimes I just need a break. But you know what? It's so much better than our forefathers had and they gave us all of these freedoms we take for granted. Sometimes a little kick in the rear is what we need sometimes and you just gave it to me. I refuse to be lazy and ignorant!

Originally posted by queenofsheba
reply to post by beezzer

 

Oh he**....you convinced me. Dang it, I'll vote again and be on the list for jury duty (lost my last summer to) but yes, you're right! You're right! We live in the best country in the world and have the freedoms that others only dream about, right? Yes, you are right. I will not go gently into the night, either. Thank you for the reminder.

I do have children I need to teach after all. Sometimes I just need a break. But you know what? It's so much better than our forefathers had and they gave us all of these freedoms we take for granted. Sometimes a little kick in the rear is what we need sometimes and you just gave it to me. I refuse to be lazy and ignorant!

You have kids. Join the school board. Run for local office. Remember, YOU are actually in charge.

(I just hope your post wasn't sarcasm. )

Originally posted by beezzer
You have kids. Join the school board. Run for local office. Remember, YOU are actually in charge.

I thought it was "he who counts the votes" that is in charge...

And they took charge of that long ago. E-voting needs to be outlawed and banned nationwide for this country's own good.

Originally posted by TrueAmerican

Originally posted by beezzer
You have kids. Join the school board. Run for local office. Remember, YOU are actually in charge.

I thought it was "he who counts the votes" that is in charge...

And they took charge of that long ago. E-voting needs to be outlawed and banned nationwide for this country's own good.

They only have power as long as we give it to them.

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My post was real...no worries. Sometimes we all need a little reminder to be present in this life we live, to be present in participating in it..to be awake and active and not asleep at the wheel so-to-speak.

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Sorry....don't agree....my Toyota ran forever, for all I know...still running. It was my first car, was 15 years when I bought it and I never gave it an oil change. Then, when it started making a pinging noise my friend said, "Well when was the last time you put oil in it?" I had never put any oil in it...so I put some oil in it and it ran just fine for the next two years till I sold it. I beat the hell out of that car. And it never made me walk!

reply to post by queenofsheba


I, personally, am a fighter. "Give up", is not in my vocabulary. Neither is "quit".
Call me an idealist, a dreamer, but I am not willing to concede ANYTHING.

Nor should anyone else.

The Constitution starts with. . .

"We the people".

NOT "we the elite", "we who know better", "we who are smarter".

We, the people, have the power to control our own destiny. If we choose to do so.

Originally posted by Rockdisjoint
reply to post by ANOK

 

Anarchists recognize anarcho-capitalism as anarchy. This view on attacking anarcho-capitalism because it has different views than other strands of anarchy is becoming very outdated. It seems that Chomsky denies almost every historical example of communism as being statist, then where does your utopia emerge?

No they don't, it is simply a misinterpretation of what Anarchism is, and even what is meant by 'private property' by the left.

It's exactly the same thing the right did in the fifties when they stole and rewrote the meaning of libertarian.

Unless you are aware of history you will be confused and those that support the state will once again win.

Anarcho-capitalism is anarchy but please don't confuse it with anarchism. Capitalism exploits labour, even with government oversight, without some control how do you expect capitalists to not take advantage? It would be like going back to the industrial revolution before the workers organized and lobbied government for better pay and working hours (and the reason socialism and anarchism were created, as radical opposition to capitalism). Capitalism creates hierarchies and ultimately requires a state system in order to protect that private property. Those who benefit from capitalism will pay to have it protected, thus creating a hierarchy, it becomes an authority. How can that be anarchism, unless you misunderstand what anarchism is and what capitalism is.

If you think capitalism is 'free-markets' then you need to look a little deeper because that is not what it is, nor does it have a monopoly on free-markets. If you think socialism is government hand-outs again you need to look deeper into it's true meaning which has nothing to do with social healthcare.

Anarcho-capitalism sounds fine if you believe in the main stream twisted definition of the terms. It has nothing to do with true traditional left wing Anarchism. Go read some books by Anarchist thinkers other than Americans from recent history, post 1950's. Bakunin, Proudhon, Emma Goldman, Chomsky, Kropotkin, Berkman etc.

Anarchism is a political theory which aims to create anarchy, "the absence of a master, of a sovereign." [P-J Proudhon, What is Property , p. 264] In other words, anarchism is a political theory which aims to create a society within which individuals freely co-operate together as equals. As such anarchism opposes all forms of hierarchical control - be that control by the state or a capitalist - as harmful to the individual and their individuality as well as unnecessary.

infoshop.org...

Capitalism is a hierarchical system and thus can not be anarchism. I can post pages of quotes from the net and my own book collections from Anarchist thinkers that contradict your claim, how many can you post that support it? I am very well read on anarchism in all it's forms, I was a member of Class War London in the 1980's.

Read though this post and note all the quotes I provide that support my claim...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Because people are stupid.

reply to post by TrueAmerican
Dear TrueAmerican,
first of all, no American elects a president
in our republic, presidents are elected by the Electoral College
the Electoral College is supposed to pay attention to what the voters say
but they don't have to...

I used to vote, volunteer and go all out to help elect the person who
promised to cure all the ills...now I realize it is futile. No one can make
it through the nomination process who isn't 'vetted' first; and an
incorruptible man can't be elected...how can he be controlled.

Dieboldt machines control the votes; we should be using paper ballots but
it isn't happening...

The Mainstream Media and propaganda mills chug full steam ahead for
whoever the PTB choose as the 'Golden Boy'...and he gets elected. Mayor
Bloomberg said it all when he asked when Americans were going to start
electing Congressmen/women who could read. What kind of sheep do we
elect that pass a huge Patriot Act unread after getting 5 minutes to read it?
If they had 5 years to read it, they probably wouldn't. Our country has turned
into a serial monarchy. Remember what happened to Rome? The Republic
turned into a dictatorship...only the Corporations are the Praetorian Guards.

Originally posted by Rockdisjoint

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by Rockdisjoint

 

lol i am the problem

what is the problem in this country is the biggest expansion of government into business and finance and its invasion to the american citizens lives.

every single problem facing this country is the direct result of government knows best and you dont know jack.

the champions of big government and the womb to the tomb party of insanity that same party that regulates and micromanages every aspect of everything in this country and then the other side picks up where they leave off.


dude your age is showing bigtime.

You people are brainwashed, big time. Big government is GOOD. Big government stimulates the economy, big government keeps you safe, big government is our friend anyone saying other wise is a right wing shill and you know it. Without big government our economy would be horrible, unemployment would be around 9% or even higher. Geez, think before you post neocon96.

i have to laugh at what u said here : p
first off i would feel more safe when our leaders are held accountable for there actions.
second unemployment is 9% still and higher but thats just the people that stil are collecting uneployment.
third its because big gov we are in this mess in the first place.
patriot act was the begining of the end for privacy.
either u r sarcastic or realy dumb

Smells like a fishing expedition to me. Maybe if JudicialWatch really cared they would have stopped Sen. Ensign and the Hammer.

Originally posted by LosLobos
Smells like a fishing expedition to me. Maybe if JudicialWatch really cared they would have stopped Sen. Ensign and the Hammer.

Judicial Watch – Ten Most Corrupt Politicians of 2010 – Boxer, Emanuel, Ensign, Frank, Jackson, Obama, Pelosi, Rangel, Rogers, and Waters

txlady706.wordpress.com... rogers-and-waters/

Sounds like you troll and don't read the sources.

Originally posted by TrueAmerican
You know it'd be nice if someone actually addressed the corruption issues that are brought about in the OP? And for the record, I screamed just as loudly about Bush back in the day. I don't really have any political affiliation. I just hate corruption and lying, scumbag politicians. ALL of them. Ron Paul is the only one I would feel good about putting in there.

I agree with you about Bush. I didn't like the Patriot Act, I didn't like the wars, I didn't like them allowing armed Mexican troops in to help in Katrina while not allowing real Americans with their own pontoon boats to help, I didn't like Bush paling around with his NWO friends pushing NAU, I didn't like him letting illegals come in over the porous southern border in the millions and the apathy on building the fence, I didn't like the Bush/Carlyle alliance, etc etc.

Under Obama, I still don't like the Patriot Act, I don't like the Libyan bombing and his going with the UN and not even considering Congress first, I don't like his stuck up nose in the air attitude and his constant thumbing his nose at us and ridiculing us at every chance, I don't like his constant put downs of Republicans in Congress, I don't like his Marxist redistribution schemes, and I especially do not like his Socialist healthcare scheme which he and his DSA cronies in Congress literally forced on us. I don't like his Chicago style politics, I don't like his friends who visit him at the WH(Trumpka), I don't like him getting gourmet pizza flown in from St. Louis, I don't like his alliance with SEIU, ACORN, domestic terrorists Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn, I don't like him giving taxpayer money to Petrobas in Brazil while shutting down our own drilling in the gulf, I don't like his expansion of Big Govt to the umpteenth, I don't like ANY of his foreign policy, I don't like the way he did the Osama kill besides the fact that I'm convinced he did it because the military was going to do it with or without him and he decided to take the credit for his polling numbers, I don't like his lies and half truths and his abhorrent use of both race and class warfare to promote Marxism and the Welfare State.