Fukushima - The US populance has moved on/doesn't care

I'm surprised to say it, but I think that this is one of my favorite threads on ATS. Why? Because of the dearth of debunkers. I think that EVERYONE agrees and knows that the MSM, and whoever else, is trying to pull a fast one on us.

More reasons for ignoring the worst radiation disaster man has ever came across up to this point:
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They said at one point- the radiation seepage was 1 million times higher than what it should have been. The next day, the official MSM statement was that- it was a mistake. The radiation is minimal, and will disperse, and will not cause any lasting damage.

I've seen a report that whoever can, is leaving Japan. This is because of the lack of trustworthy, solid, information. I guess in Japanese media, vagueness rules the day.

One problem is that NHK Network shut off their Japanese - English language internet video feed. hmmmmm....??

Another problem that makes people's eyes glaze over... All the water they are using to cool down the reactors..... It's all probably radioactive.... where does it go? The ocean of course.... I hear no alarm bells ringing in the media about this one.

If they indeed do have a full-scale meltdown... the thing that everyone was at one point very concerned about, because of ongoing and detailed disinformation type reporting that the media has been doing, they have conditioned the public to make it just be a blip on the news radar screen, so to speak. Don't worry, it will disperse.... is the mantra. OK then. Whats to worry?

At present, Los Angeles concerns me... It is the first big city to be exposed to radiation. The mountains to the east of it keep in all the smog... and I'm suspecting the radiation as well. Thus it's a hotbed for accumulated radiation gases.

Well, I asked in my OP what the next "thing" would be to help them continue to bury the story, guess we found out last night. This Osama fiction will push Fukushima even further out of mind.

Originally posted by Finalized
Well, I asked in my OP what the next "thing" would be to help them continue to bury the story, guess we found out last night. This Osama fiction will push Fukushima even further out of mind.

That's the strategy. And the newscasters don't bat an eye when listing all the "breaking" news stories, sans Fukushima. It's almost as if it never even happened...

Radiation poisoning causes dememtia
I'm not afraid of mad cow
I'm a Giraffe syndrome

christians wanted a rapture so god sent them a rapture
and now they are complaining
sheesh

Darwination is painful to watch

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Those who really care will never stop.
Be well

I think the Drudge Report is an excellent "barometer" of what's "in the news" any given day... it links/gathers from sources all over the net and gives an excellent view into what's being pushed on any given day.

Here is today's page, I don't see Japan mentioned at all "above the fold"

I read on the last page

"...It's impossible to know what's happening at Fukushima..."

I disagree , somewhat...but I digress...

Certainly American has reached a breaking point in it's inability to maintain the unsustainable , take , make , and break life styles , a tiny fraction controls almost all the wealth , and a culture has been induced to be violent lowbrows aspiring to be almost inarticulate urban thugs willing to fight each other (and praise themselves) for the scraps.

But, getting people to listen about Fukushima ( or,or,or.....) is as simple as adjusting the nature of focus, as denial is the first psychological defense mechanism , and is used widely in programing.

For example Fukushima has and is changing the Northern hemisphere as we speak. Most people are frightened by this because they believe nothing can be done about it, perhaps , but then again perhaps not.
But in the case of Fukushima trying to get most people to accept the extent of the health threats is a bit like trying to get them to change the oil in their car, no immediate problem ....right?

Tell them about the health risks, but shift the focus to the fact that The government of Japan is so intimately tied into corporate structures that they will sacrifice people ( and cities) willingly to protect profit margins, and that the extent of these global corporations is just that global . Hundreds of billions ( of mostly tax dollars, and loan guarantees ) are tied into the future of nuclear power and the few greedy people running these things are willing to sacrifice vast amounts of people on the corporate alter of profit. It is not limited to Fukushima these power hungry profiteers have their finger so deep into every nation that they will keep bad news (that they think they own) silent so that they alone can continue to concentrate wealth, everywhere, at any excuse (be it tornado or flood...) .

And what could be done about Fukushima? Well in an honest world the news could treat people like grown human adults and state the facts, lay out the caveats, educate the populous the best they can and , as the internet does , pool the best resources of human knowledge together to begin to find ways to mitigate and possibly reverse the stupid damage we've done to our own planet. And if that proved impossible at least make damn sure it never happens again

It's like a family gets into a car accident and two out of four of them die , it's horrible but never talking about it again will not make the dead any less dead. We must accept the situation and find new paths forward.

As a race we are a stubborn, insistent, scratching, grunting, copulating, bunch of beasts , but we are also amazingly resilient , devastatingly clever, vibrant, fun-loving , curious and amazing creatures and for every idiot thug scratching his crotch with his pants hanging on his knees and his underwear showing , there is another guy at the other end of the stick swimming through a tsunami to save his wife and mother, all any of the rest of us have to do is try to find a place somewhere in between, and maybe convince a couple of other people to be there too.

Silverlok, I pay attention to you on the big thread, thank you for your contributions there... when I have to skim due to time issues, I always slow down when I see your avatar.

The below is what is frustrating, really, "they" (whoever they might be) are the ones that have the ability to accurately test what's showing up here, there, everywhere. Inform people what the risks are and what steps might be taken to protect your loved ones, but they aren't doing it... if people demanded it, then perhaps we would see a shift.

Originally posted by Silverlok
Well in an honest world the news could treat people like grown human adults and state the facts, lay out the caveats, educate the populous the best they can and , as the internet does , pool the best resources of human knowledge together to begin to find ways to mitigate and possibly reverse the stupid damage we've done to our own planet. And if that proved impossible at least make damn sure it never happens again

I'll try the below, but I need to think about the delivery... in the world that we are living in, an attack on a corporation can make you come off as a "woo-woo", it depends on the company I guess... I'll think on this one and figure out a way to get it into my discussions.

Originally posted by Silverlok
Tell them about the health risks, but shift the focus to the fact that The government of Japan is so intimately tied into corporate structures that they will sacrifice people ( and cities) willingly to protect profit margins, and that the extent of these global corporations is just that global . Hundreds of billions ( of mostly tax dollars, and loan guarantees ) are tied into the future of nuclear power and the few greedy people running these things are willing to sacrifice vast amounts of people on the corporate alter of profit. It is not limited to Fukushima these power hungry profiteers have their finger so deep into every nation that they will keep bad news (that they think they own) silent so that they alone can continue to concentrate wealth, everywhere, at any excuse (be it tornado or flood...) .

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The word corruption can easily replace corporation (especially on spell check ;-), that "the Japanese government is either so inept or corrupt that they are willing to sacrifice entire towns poisoned so they cannot be lived in again in our lifetimes to cover their own ineptitude"

and thanks by the way

I have also found that younger people are much more receptive , it is their world we are destroying after all and in the information age they are more aware of that.
The worst bit is that no matter what, if a man is not ready to drink trying to force him will only drown him...if someone wants to run after the dog in a zombie movie, even after you've carefully explained how the zombies don't eat dogs, let them, or knock them out and carry them on your back there is no other choice.
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I suppose I should add the corruption angle opens up arguments that are un-opposable :

government withheld information about radiation (because they didn't want people to panic :how insulting is that !)

government raised radiation levels well above safe standards for children

government threatened a university Nuclear professor not to talk about government decisions on the above

government waits over a month before enforcing a high radiation no-go zone ( that they knew for sure was dangerous)

government refuse to let independent Greenpeace take radiation measurements within 12km

government does not question the level 5 level 7 rating change letting Tepco self regulate

government banks loan Tepco money

You get the idea...perhaps people will only believe this can happen in foreign countries

imagine what would have happened if Tepco ( by some miracle ) got this under control last week: they government would never have said anything about knowing about the radiation, and if Tepco pour concrete over the things a month ago we would never have heard about any of the above , though the radiation would still have been just as real and just as secret

I care, I care and this is in my thoughts often. Not only thinking of the safety of we Americans, but also those so much closer to this disaster. I was called an "nuclear alarmist" by my own brother. This stuff is not easy for people to hear, especially if they have young children. Some people just can't handle the gloom and doom. They can't separate their concerns from their regular life without feeling a terrible depression. I can sympathize, but at the same time, we can't just ignore things and hope they will disappear.

I have only just recently began making brief posts on my Facebook regarding some things going on and have been received well mostly, but there are the determined few who want to make me feel like a nut. Things have hit such a fevered pace as of late that I can not longer remain silent. We should be screaming this stuff on the street corner to everyone who will listen.

It's true...not a lot of people feel that they have time to care. Their minds won't be opened with silence. Someone mentioned Dutchsinse earlier in this thread. His YouTube channel is worth a gander. This fellow is finding some accurate truth out there: www.youtube.com...

Peace to you all and strength. Don't stop speaking out for what you believe in.

Originally posted by glitchinthematrix
I have only just recently began making brief posts on my Facebook regarding some things going on and have been received well mostly, but there are the determined few who want to make me feel like a nut.

That is what some people do when people confront them with bad news; shoot the messenger and it will all go away. Humanity at this point appears to me like a group of people trying to party in a building surrounded by fire and when someone tries to peek through the window others complain the shutters are open and they are reminded of that fire outside, making it impossible for them to party on. Still, can't blame anyone, it isn't like we can all move to another planet. If it is all that bad there's nothing anyone can do, no place to hide.

Don't forget to Gunderson the disbelievers

That's right

Gun-

der-

son!

I've started contacting my State Senator... I know him personally and he's starting to engage with me via email. I had asked why my state isn't doing and reporting testing on water, food, milk, etc. He inquired as to "who would do this type of testing"?

Responded back that it appeared California had engaged Berkley and other Universities, perhaps we could engage Georgia Tech... will post here on any response I might receive.

I also pointed him to Gunderson's latest video post.

A simple look at this site shows that the interest in this story has fallen dramatically. We all know it is bad but there is nothing we can do about it. Not much the news media can do about it either. Not sure what constant reporting is going to do to change the situation.

Originally posted by sligtlyskeptical
A simple look at this site shows that the interest in this story has fallen dramatically. We all know it is bad but there is nothing we can do about it. Not much the news media can do about it either. Not sure what constant reporting is going to do to change the situation.

Quit and be complacent if you like that is your choice, but many many people are not aware and have not been given the opportunity to be made aware, yes the problem is here for good and something we must learn to deal with, but people must be given the information so they can make decisions for themselves, and then there is the growing specter of accountability :

IT is criminal to NOT address this information in an adult and open way by our public "leaders" , and if it is not address it will happen again in the name of profit and how many more of these inconvenient, low profit disasters can the world take before it's too toxic to live on anymore? one? two? three?, certainly no more than that.

So some people will find ways to limit and perhaps the control the spread and pollution of radiation , they are not going to be doing it alone by ignoring the problem in ignorance.
Advertising has a thing called critical mass, fukushima and it's radiation has to hit critical mass ion the public awareness to ensure more things this criminal DO NOT HAPPEN AGAIN, and that the people responsible are held accountable

Your world has been slightly altered for the foreseeable future by the greed and corruption of a few men , this alteration , certainly increases ( even if only fractionally ) the likely hood of you not living as long as you would have otherwise . You have been robbed...do you not become a little disturbed by being robbed ? Even if it is for a parking space most people get a little disturbed by this sort of thing , of course NO ONE has a responsibility to go out of his way , but some feel the consequences of complacency far outweigh the consequences of action , quite the opposite in fact.

There are things to be done, plants to plant knowledge to spread vitamins to eat , these things should be on the airways

Obviously the info on this forum is going to slow down.... thats because the general population and the MSM aren't reporting on it anymore! unless the people on the forums here know people at fukushima we won't be getting any new info.

A look at thsi site showing lack of info doesn't mean anything btw, I doubt anyone on here has sources for info that isn't a news station or other such things.
Do you have contact with the people directly involved in this? nope didn't think so

Originally posted by thedeadwalkk
Obviously the info on this forum is going to slow down.... thats ....any new info.

Who is this 'we' of whom you speak?

A look at thsi site showing lack of info doesn't mean anything btw, I doubt anyone on here has sources for info that isn't a news station or other such things.

I do not understand the implication, what is a 'news station, or other such things', in your opinion?

Do you have contact with the people directly involved in this? nope didn't think so

edit on 4-5-2011 by thedeadwalkk because: (no reason given)

Besides everyone in the northern hemisphere, and soon even more than that? ( as the latest projections (from Tepco themselves) claim they will not be able to stop the release of radioactive aerosol until the end of the year , and even then they aren't certain it will be done )Yes, and interestingly the internet connects to more than porn now , they announced it last week , but I am curious what exactly is the point of your post ?
It does not address the question from the OP , and analytically speaking is neither based on fact or supposition beyond your unsupported opinion . Not that there is anything wrong with opinion on ATS , it's just it normally has some intellectual heft to it and is connected to real world things like psychology (which is the basis of the OP's underlying problem) or a least an interesting or partially well connected relationship between the words 'news' , 'internet', 'people' , and information ....

now for certain types the problem is as easy to solve as clicking the little 'X" at the top of the browser , and that is what Finalized is alluding too, is it worth saving (or even trying to )a humanity that will look no farther than it's own yard when the house next door is on fire ?

One other thing you assume to speak for all of ATS when you say "A look at thsi site showing lack of info doesn't mean anything" ,
but condemn anyone else who might be doing exactly as you do " I doubt anyone on here has sources for info that isn't a news station or other such things"

I assure you your "doubt" is meaningless as either a testimonial or factual reference , but as an opinion it is interesting as it shows that you cannot be bothered to either research your claims , or show a bit of respect for other posters who do.

Originally posted by sligtlyskeptical
A simple look at this site shows that the interest in this story has fallen dramatically. We all know it is bad but there is nothing we can do about it. Not much the news media can do about it either. Not sure what constant reporting is going to do to change the situation.

I agree and am concerned about this. There is such lack of information out there that it seems people have pushed it aside. Mainly focusing now on the OBL death which is ridiculous in my opinion. Who cares if they killed him, he probably isn't even dead. How convenient to throw the body into the ocean so there is no proof except some pictures which could have easily been forged.

I really wish there was a way to find out the real radiation numbers, it's frustrating that we just have to sit here and let them poison us and kill off our children and we cannot do anything about it.

Well since the epa I read are not monitoring it any more I guess many wont remember its importance till radioactive tissue reanimates(I know outta box way outta box). By the way we still care

Given that none of the information was reliable and that, as always, there was a plethora of conflicting accounts, people had two choices..live in fear without any real information or put it out of their minds and get on with their lives.

That's WHY the government releases conflicting information, because it totally disempowers the people. The strategy is well known, it's called cognitive dissonance. Eventually people just switch off because it's impossible to get the facts.

All of you who call your fellow citizens 'sheeple' are playing the game TPTB want you to. You're blaming the people and not the perpetrators. Cognitive dissonance is a very powerful and effective technique used by the slime who are in power. That's where the focus should remain, imo.