Is this really the link to ADHD?

Just a thought on the ADHD front. So many people use the reasoning that "when we were kids we just got a smack on the butt..." Basically they believe ADHD can/is caused by poor parenting. But these same people will post threads or post in threads that talk about all the crap in the air we breathe, the steroids and hormones in our meats and milks, the flouride in our water etc etc etc etc...I could go on.

Perhaps ADHD is much more prevalent because of the chemicals that are so prevalent in our lives..much more so than when "we were kids..." I'm not saying this is the cause of the disorder, as I have no proof to show that...but don't be so quick to slough off a disorder/disease/condition just because it wasn't around in the past. We have obviously screwed up the earth, spewed toxins into the air, flushed our prescriptions into what will later be our drinking water for many many years. There's no doubt in my mind that all of this can and will affect future generations.

Michelle

Originally posted by DankKing420
reply to post by robertashby

 

i was diagnosed with ADHD and took medication for it for half my life. ADHD is a BS excuse for kids that dont feel like trying. So instead of growing up and being good parents we just like to drug our kids to mindless zombies. I felt better off my medication and could still function in life and get above 3.0 gpa's. Most problems we have today would be solved by parents growing up and taking responsibility in raising their child right

I do raise my child right! Its the schools that force you! If they find you have not been treating them they turn you in for being negligent! I do agree that that these are kids that don't feel like trying, but we are constantly on his case about why and how he needs to behave, specially in public. I know my son hates taking his meds. and i HATE having to give them. But keeping him in my life verse having the state step in and take him from me. I do not make him take them when there isn't school.

reply to post by AlexIR


People with ADHD have a different brain chemistry to normal people. Amphetamines amplify the release of dopamine in the brain, dopamine is linked to attention and concentration in individuals

reply to post by Anttyk47


And so you think you're more 'aware then me by labeling me into some kind of category you made up? You cannot come to a conclusion of someone based on little knowledge and an inclination that i'm part of some category of people thats called stereotyping.

Also you seem to be extremely obnoxious based on your opinions that you believe you are right over everyone else on the subject at hand i have had first hand experience on the matter as i have been diagnosed supposedly with ADHD when i was a child and forced to take it because i was too naive to know about what side effects it would have.

If you have nothing complimentary to put into the thread i suggest you keep your bigotry( for lack of a better word) to yourself.

Originally posted by Griffo
reply to post by AlexIR

 

People with ADHD have a different brain chemistry to normal people. Amphetamines amplify the release of dopamine in the brain, dopamine is linked to attention and concentration in individuals

Well, that is absolutely not true. Its the Rap the pharmaceutical industry came up with to justify poisoning us all for money. There is nothing wrong with any "Brain chemestry". The industry in cooperation with psychiatry invented that crap, the first for profit, the second for financial gain and for being taken serious in a world that is discovering that the whole psychiatry is a fraud and has neither to do with medicin nor with any other science. There is nothing wrong with anybodys "Brain chemestry" that would make it nesessary to eat synthesized unnatural chemicals.

How can anybody believe that crap, that there is something wrong with a brain chemestrie that has to be adjusted by the intake of chemicals, so synthetic that they are nowhere to be found in nature? Try to find Prozac in one or the other plant! What you do find in plants are all them realy good working, mood elevating and painkilling natural substances they started to call "Drugs" and took away from us. Get a grip on yourself!

Originally posted by roughycannon

There is so much more to ADHT than simply being hyperactive, there are brain scan's and numerous tests done for decades which show chemical unbalance in the brain simply declaring you dont believe in something because you got a smack as a child and it didn't exist when you were a child is a bit silly...

show me these chemically unbalanced brain scans im so interested

Over/Under-stimulation as babies.

Television.

Bad diet, parents ignorant/unaware of how much food has morphed into something unnatural.

Originally posted by CarlitosAmsel
The activity of our pharmaceutical industry also increases the diagnostic of new deseases" which it creates by pathologizing natural behavior and calling it a "newly discovered desease".

You hit it right on the money. Sums up the swindle of the pharma corps and the psychologists/Doctors who are encouraged to hand out the stuff like candy.

reply to post by illuminateme




Thats just it....the preserved foods, dyes, chemicals, and other "unknown" ingredients werent around when most of us were growing up. Now a days just about everything our kids eat are filled with some sort of chemical that is potentially harmful. So beating no your kids doesnt always help when it could be the cause of what you are feeding them. Its unfortunate but we have to keep an eye out as to what they eat.

reply to post by CarlitosAmsel


Well, you're obviously lacking in intelligence and in a state of extreme paranoia, so I'm not going to waste my time trying to explain something to you that you will just laugh off, then proceed to call me a 'sheeple'

Just so you know, there is a whole field of pharmacology dedicated to finding cures from plants - Pharmacognosy. Aspirin is derived from Willow bark. Some other examples

Drugs from Plants

Originally posted by donatellanator
Over/Under-stimulation as babies.

Television.

Bad diet, parents ignorant/unaware of how much food has morphed into something unnatural.

So which is it ? under or over stimulation ? surely it cant be both.

I would argue that this wouldn't be a causal effect if I were to base it upon experience, as a baby will cry if it is under or overstimulated, forcing a parent to correct whichever of the relevant effects is prevailing in that given moment, by simply initiating the opposite action so as to re-establish the balance for the baby.

Originally posted by dontshoot
At some point I wanted to make a thread on the topic of ADHD. It is actually caused by the medications which are used to "treat" it. I know this from experience. If your kid is more interested in playing, talking to friends, etc than they are in school, do not listen to the doctor and force them to take amphetamines. I imagine most people here are smart enough to realize this by now, but it really cannot be emphasized enough. Like I said... I hope to make a thread on this topic and give it the attention it deserves.

Amphetamines?
Holey moley.. What the heck are they giving them that for???

About Amphetamines

What are the effects of amphetamines?
Amphetamines speed up the body's activity. Heart rate, breathing and blood pressure increase. A dry mouth, increased sweating, enlargement of the eye's pupils and headaches may occur. Users can feel energetic and full of confidence, with a heightened sense of well-being. Other effects include feeling wide-awake and alert, becoming talkative, restless, excited, and having difficulty sleeping. Panic attacks may also be experienced. Withdrawal symptoms may include hunger, extreme fatigue, anxiety, irritability, and depression. People may also have a long but restless sleep, often interrupted by nightmares. Some experience severe distress or feelings of panic.

Originally posted by bluemirage5
reply to post by jaycen420

 

MRI is a must as part of any evalution.

Those on this thread who has not been diagnosed nor have children properly diagnosed, does NOT know what they are talking about when they make silly claims ADHD does not exist.

What? show me a MRI of a healthy child and a child with ADHD and point to the disorder. Its that simple. An MRI shows bone, muscles, tendon, brain, tissue, how just then can we see a disorder in the brain through an MRI? A doctor has seriously mislead you to thinking you can test for ADHD when in fact you can't. They do it all the time. This is how it goes. Doc says look at this, shows you book with brain pictures all colored. says this is your brain bad. this is a good brain. see? when in fact these brain scans are propaganda created by the pill factories. My take is that we don't yet understand the brain well enough to say that these certain subsets of brain activity is a disorder. If you have energy maybe you should take a pill , OR how about you go outside and run around until you're tired? huh? Maybe the idea that a kid needs to sit still all day long in a classroom is just simply wrong. think about it. kids will be kids . you don't see old people in their 60's diagnosed with ADHD.

I had ADHD As a kid i, i used to be on meds even had special blue glasses (earlin lens, spelling?) had dislicsia also. anyway my parents devorced about when i was 12 and i moved to a big city with my mother and my sister, the change was almost instant, i felt i could come off the meds and special glasses and i did, my marks were good, i made heaps of friends, went to uni got my masters now run my own company. Not bad for someone my old primary school teachers said i wouldnt be much. Bottom line is its also the enviroment that plays a big role too.

reply to post by nrd101


Thats the most rediculous statement I've heard on this thread yet

ADHD and ADD is real. Food coloring does make it worse. For my son, blue coloring is the worse.

Also look into auto immune issues and XMRV. XMRV is a retrovirus, like aids. It is being linked to many different illnesses. Inculding autism, ME/CFS, Fibro, adhd, atypical multiple sclerosis etc.

Harm None
Peace

reply to post by XRaDiiX


If I can jump in......

You are one single child diagnosed with ADHD; none of us know how you were evaluated and diagnosed; you can not speak for and on behalf of every child diagnosed with ADD or ADHD. Every child differs and no two children are the same just as no two children with ASD are the same.

It would be best you speak only for yourself; I don't think anybody is sterotyping you as an individual being. ADHD, like Autism, is easily sterotyped.......but then so are those diagnosed with Dementia and other biological, physical and mental disorders.

Just because a child was diagnosed with a particular disorder, it does'nt make him/her a professor on the subject but a strong medical background as well as specialising in the field of child development/biological & neurological disorders is superior to a patient.

reply to post by amazed


A change of diet rarely has any affect on a child with ASD, ADHD or ADD but does help alleviate some of the symptoms, therefore, diet is important. However, in saying that, it is strongly suggested that these kids have a blood test for a range of food intolerance tests done.

Id have to agree that there is a link inbetween what chemicals they are putting in our foods and ADD/ADHD. Plus maybe other illnesses. The chems that go into the food might change the chemicals in our bodies causing all sorts of problems. its a good theory.

Originally posted by Griffo
reply to post by CarlitosAmsel

 

Well, you're obviously lacking in intelligence and in a state of extreme paranoia, so I'm not going to waste my time trying to explain something to you that you will just laugh off, then proceed to call me a 'sheeple'

Just so you know, there is a whole field of pharmacology dedicated to finding cures from plants - Pharmacognosy. Aspirin is derived from Willow bark. Some other examples

Drugs from Plants

edit on 4/4/2011 by Griffo because: (no reason given)

Well, if that is like you say, why do you bother to mention it in the end. Yes, there is a lot of reseach being done on active substances coming from plsnts, mainly to alter the activ molecule into something freaky because the natural substance as it is would not be patentable and would not bring any profit. But, lets face it, if you investigate the mostly used chemicals that the industry sells us as "Medicin", you will find that as good as all of them have nothing to do with natural substances derived from plants. Actually, I could think of only one in the moment, and that is morphin, and even the morphin molecule has been synthezised and twisted into a full synthetic molecule like in Methadon or Fentanyl etc..., all of them Morphin alikes made totally out of chemicals you wont find in nature. Hell, even our insuline is being puked out by some twisted kind of bacteria. Dont fool yourselfs, and dont call other people "paranoid", just because they understand something you dont.
If cannabinoid molecules wouldin any way be patentable, believe me, marihuana would'nt be a "Illegal Drug", it would be a patented, profit bringing "Medicin".