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Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by ThaLoccster
NO!!
Once again, the same junk pseud-science, and non-associated cases in history being MISINTERPRETED!!
"Operation LAC"!! READ it again. You wrote it was a program to release over "most" of the United States.
It DOESN'T say that, in the article!! Reading comprehension 101, please.
Also, with ALL of those cited....look at the dates, and pay particular attention to the details, and methods.
NONE have anything to do, nor relevance, to the modern era.
It is ignorant to suggest otherwise. AND, your links are clearly showing that, to people who bother to actually read them completely.
Originally posted by ThaLoccster
Operation Dew
Operation Dew was a military experiment that involved releasing aerosol agents from a minesweeper off the coast of Georgia. Operation Dew II was a military experiment that involved releasing agents and spores from a plane.
Operation LAC
Operation LAC was a military experiment that involved releasing zinc cadmium sulfide over most of the United States by plane.
Operation Ranch Hand
Operation Ranch Hand was the US military program that dumped huge amounts of chemicals over Vietnam including Agent Orange
Aren't these the definition of what people to consider to be chemtrails?
If these operations are what would be considered the release of chemtrails, then does that boslter the claim that chemtrails are real not not simply contrails?
And if the government engaged in chemtrail experiments as far back as the 50's, is it likely that they are still engaging in those types of experiments?
Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by ThaLoccster
Also, with ALL of those cited....look at the dates, and pay particular attention to the details, and methods.
NONE have anything to do, nor relevance, to the modern era.
It is ignorant to suggest otherwise. AND, your links are clearly showing that, to people who bother to actually read them completely.
Originally posted by Tygart
reply to post by weedwhacker
Question:
Must it be dispersed though the Fuel??? That is not how I would do it, and I don't think that is how they would do it.
Must it be dispersed though the Fuel??? That is not how I would do it, and I don't think that is how they would do it.
Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by Tygart
Must it be dispersed though the Fuel??? That is not how I would do it, and I don't think that is how they would do it.
We need to back up, firstly.
What is being dispersed, through the fuel? SAME that has been happening ever since fossil fuels were invented to be burned in internal combustion engines.
It is chemistry. The heat of combustion breaks down the molecules that make up the petrochemical fuels....and those molecules (elements) re-combine, according to the various tendencies of the material being discussed.
For OUR purposes, here....what have been hand-waved hysterically, and called "chem"-trails, are nothing BUT water vapor. (FROZEN, actually...so, ice crystals, to be more accurate).
Backing up, as I started this....to basics. A "down to earth" example. Have you ever noticed that water will sometimes form in the exhaust pipe of your car? Surely, people have all seen this, before? The chemistry at work there is not much different than with jet turbine engines. HEAT, that is common to both. The fuels are slightly different, in make-up, but at their most basic, they are STILL petroleum-based.
HYDROCARBONS. Emphasis on the "hydro", there. Short for "hydrogen".
What is water composed of? Well....H2O of course. Hydrogen atoms (2) and an oxygen atom, chemically (atomically) bonded together. THAT resulting molecule we know as common water. Hydrogen, and oxygen, BY THEMSELVES are a gas, at room temperature, correct? Isn't it interesting how so very, very different they "are" when combined? NOW, they are a commonplace liquid, at room temp.
SO....in your car tailpipe, or out the jet turbine engine exhaust, the WATER comes from the same place. The hydrogen is supplied by the fuel (broken out from its more complex molecular form, within the fuel) and the oxygen of course, is in the air that is being used to oxidize ("oxidize" = oxygen, get it?) the combustion process.
Of course, there are also AMBIENT amounts and varying quantities of water vapor also present in air, most of the time. "Varying", because conditions are always different, as the atmosphere is not homogeneous. BOTH the quantity (expressed as "Relative Humidity") and the temperature play roles in aircraft engine CON ("CON" is short for "condensation") trail formation. Both "if", and "how big" and "what shape" and "how persistent" they will be....they VARY in appearances, accordingly. Just as clouds do.....
....because, contrails are nothing other than clouds!! At the very, most basic nuts and bolts of them....CIRRUS clouds, in fact is what they most resemble in make-up. Because they consist of frozen ice particles.
The only "chem" aspect to them is the normal, everyday, and unavoidable pollutants (the other byproducts of burning petroleum fuels) .... the same sorts of "chem" and pollutants that are present in your CAR exhaust, too. (Getting back to the car, again.
All the rest of this "chem-trail" baloney?? SO much ignorant nonsense.
Why do they keep making all the cross patterns, for the fun of it.
I don't think you really know the cost to fly a jet.
Do con trails create clouds?
There is reports of an in crease of aluminum in our soil and water.
"Another source of air emissions from primary aluminum production processes occurs during the reduction of aluminum oxide to aluminum metal. Hydrogen fluoride gases and particulates, fluorides, alumina, carbon monoxide, sulfur dioxide and volatile organics are produced. Electrolytic baths often use anode pastes in the cell. The paste must be continually fed into the cell through a steel sheet with an opening. This continual feed allows the gas to escape."
Accession Number : ADD003645
Title : Aluminum Soap Demisting Agent in Jet Fuel.
Descriptive Note : Patent,
Corporate Author : DEPARTMENT OF THE NAVY WASHINGTON D C
Personal Author(s) : Adicoff,Arnold
Report Date : 30 NOV 1976
Pagination or Media Count : 2
Abstract : Compositions of matter comprising a mixture of a jet fuel and an aluminum di-acid soap of a saturated carboxylic acid having from 8 to 20 carbon atoms are disclosed. The compositions of matter are useful as fuels for jet aircraft. (Author)
Descriptors : *Patents, *Aluminum soaps, *Fuel additives, *Jet engine fuels, Saturated hydrocarbons, Carboxylic acids, Chemical composition, Mixtures
Subject Categories : FUELS
Distribution Statement : APPROVED FOR PUBLIC RELEASE
ORIGIN OF THE DISCLOSURE
The invention described herein was made in the performance of work under a NASA contract and is subject to the provisions of section 305 of the National Aeronautics and Space Act of 1958, Public Law 85-568 (72 Stat. 435; 42 USC 2457).
This invention relates generally to a chemical release system and relates in particular to a system for releasing barium in the vapor phase so that it can be ionized by solar radiation and also be excited to emit resonance radiation in the visible range. The ionized luminous cloud of barium then becomes a visible indication of magnetic and electric characteristics in space and allows determination of these properties over relatively large areas of space at a given time compared to rocket borne or orbiting instruments. For example, a geomagnetic field line could be illuminated by the present invention from pole-to-pole.
Presently, barium release systems are used to create ion clouds in the upper atmosphere for the study of geophysical properties of the atmosphere. These known systems utilize a solid chemical system using a thermite mixture of barium and copper oxide as the heat-producing reaction and an excess of barium to be vaporized. This system is launched by a suitable rocket and, at a predetermined time, the ingredients are ignited and released from a canister through a burst diaphragm and nozzle. The resulting barium cloud gives a brilliant color that can be observed and studied from earth to give indications of wind currents and the like. This known system of barium release has proved effective but is inherently of low efficiency in producing barium vapor yielding, in practice, only from 2 to 4 percent of the total chemical weight when actually up to 48 percent is available. In addition, the barium-copper oxide mixture is a fire hazard when mixing and pressing into the canister and must be done under inert atmospheric conditions which proves time-consuming and costly in operation. Also, little, if any, ionization takes place in this known system due to the initial heat generating reaction.
It is therefore an object of the present invention to provide a new and novel barium release system for atmospheric and space studies.
Another object of the present invention is a system for releasing barium in the vapor phase so that it can be ionized by solar radiation and excited to emit resonance radiation in the visible range.
Another object of the present invention is a novel chemical mixture for releasing a good yield of free atoms and barium ions.
A further object of the present invention is a binary liquid hypergolic chemical release system in which barium is formed as a vapor at the time of release.
The foregoing and other objects are attained in one aspect of the present invention by providing a liquid fuel, in which barium salts are dissolved, and a high energy oxidizer which spontaneously ignites the fuel on contact. The barium release is accomplished by impinging fuel and oxidizer jets in an open-ended combuation chamber which expels the reaction product gases or plasma and which includes the desired barium neutral atoms (Ba° ) and barium ions (Ba + ) as individual species.
A more complete appreciation of the invention and many of the attendant advantages thereof will be readily apparent as the same becomes better understood by reference to the following detailed description when considered in connection with the accompanying drawings wherein:
FIG. 1 is a schematic representation of the fuel and oxidizer tanks connected to an open-ended combustion chamber in a launch rocket for release of barium according to the present invention; and
FIG. 2 is a plot of triangular coordinates which defines the barium nitrate- barium chloride-hydrazine mixtures of the present invention.
Originally posted by MathiasAndrew
The foregoing and other objects are attained in one aspect of the present invention by providing a liquid fuel, in which barium salts are dissolved, and a high energy oxidizer which spontaneously ignites the fuel on contact. The barium release is accomplished by impinging fuel and oxidizer jets in an open-ended combuation chamber which expels the reaction product gases or plasma and which includes the desired barium neutral atoms (Ba° ) and barium ions (Ba + ) as individual species.