The Dome of the Rock is the Abomination of Desolation

27 And he shall make a firm covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease; and upon the wing of abominations shall come one that maketh desolate; and even unto the full end, and that determined, shall wrath be poured out upon the desolate.

Many people interpret this as the first removal of the Tamid by Babylon. This would not make it prophecy, because it had already happened by the time Daniel received the vision. Then there is the theory that the Greek general Antiochus who sacrificed a pig in the temple and erected a statue of Zeus fulfilled the prophecy. That's definitely an abomination in the sight of God, but you will notice that the abomination is 1. not there anymore, 2. happened before Ya'hshuah said "When you see the abomination of desolation", 3. only halted sacrifice and prayer, 4. Did not stand till the end times, and 5.the despicable king "to whom the royal insignia shall not be given" (not anointed, aka False Messiah or Anti-Christ) shall give glory to "a god unknown by his fathers shall he honor" implies one god and not the pantheon of the Greeks. Then there is the Roman destruction of the temple and the Diaspora. All bad and it almost meets the expectations of the abomination, but prayer and sacrifice again were only halted and could later be done on the Temple Mount in the ruins. So what has halted prayer and sacrifice for the Jewish people for over a thousand years?

Until the mid-nineteenth century, non-Muslims were not permitted in the area. Since 1967, non-Muslims have been permitted limited access, however non-Muslims are not permitted to pray on the Temple Mount.[12] In 2006, the compound was reopened to non-Muslim visitors between the hours of 7:30-11:30 a.m. and 1:30-2:30 p.m. during summer and 7:30-10:30 a.m. and 1:30-2:30 p.m. during winter. Non-Muslims are prohibited from entering after 2:30 p.m. and may not enter on Fridays, Saturdays, or Muslim holidays. Entry is through a wooden walkway next to the entrance to the Hebrew Western Wall. Non-Muslims are prohibited from entering the mosques and accessing the Temple Mount through the Cotton Market. Visitors are subject to strict security screening, and items such as Jewish prayer books and instruments are prohibited. Visits to the Dome of the Rock, however, are currently prohibited to non-Muslims who will be stopped by the guards as they approach the building.

Prayer and sacrifice for the Jewish people has been utterly stopped since the Ummayid Caliphs built the Dome of the Rock, a process, which I might add, took seven years. The Jews however, do not fully grasp why this mosque is an abomination and most Christians don't either. The Christians see the destruction of the Temple as a fulfillment of prophecy and something that would convince Jews to worship Christ. The Temple is now within him. There is no remission of sins without the shedding of blood and the sacrifice by Jewish tradition must be performed on the Temple Mount. This is why Christ is necessary and why there need not be any more sacrifice, because blood has been shed for every man, woman, and child on the face of the Earth. So, what is the abomination on this holy (but currently unnecessary) ground? The dome of the Rock is already a temple to the moon-god Allah, but on the wing of this abomination, on a mosaic frieze is the abomination that truly makes desolate:

"Such was Jesus son of Mary and peace upon him on the day of birth and on the day of death and on the day he is raised up again. It is a word of truth in which they doubt. It is not for God to take a son. Glory be to him when he decrees a thing he only says be, and it is."

This is a total denial of God's sacrifice for us all. It is a complete desolation of the holy ground the abomination rests on. It testifies against the Messiah, "accuses our brethren", and effectively stops all sacrifice so that there is no remission of sin for those who deny Christ.

Think this is a pious and misguided mistake? I believe it to be a deliberate attempt by Islam to tear down the Messiah and destroy the Jewish people. Not convinced? Here is another interesting thing that Islam has done during their occupation of Jerusalem. You recall the Golden Gate, right? The Eastern Gate of Jerusalem that the Messiah would enter through, the one that Ya'hshuah entered while riding on a donkey?

In Jewish tradition, this is the gate through which the Messiah will enter Jerusalem. Ottoman Sultan Suleiman I sealed off the Golden Gate in 1541 to prevent the Messiah's entrance. The Muslims also built a cemetery in front of the gate, in the belief that the precursor to the Messiah, Elijah, would not be able to pass through the Golden Gate and thus the Messiah would not come. This belief was based upon two premises. First, according to Islamic teaching Elijah is a decendent of Aaron[3] making him a priest or kohen. Secondly, that Jewish priests are not permitted to enter a cemetery.

It seems as if Islam really doesn't want the Jewish Messiah to come. I believe they were too late, because Elijah and the Messiah had already come when they sealed up the gate, but the action is most disturbing.

Then there are the rather disturbing similarities between the Muslim Mahdi and the Christian Anti-Christ. To see this concept explored in depth: www.abovetopsecret.com... This is one of the best eschatology threads I've seen on ATS and my post is by and large a response to something I believe they missed. For more info on the numerological importance of the year the Dome was constructed go here: www.bibletruth.cc...

This sort of talk leads to people blowing each other up over a small piece of real estate.

Seriously, why? Why would a deity who created the cosmos give so much importance to a few hundred square meters? Couldn't the new temple just be built a block down the road? Would the deity care all that much?

I understand the Dome of the rock is an abomination.

In esoteric thought, the dome of the rock is said to be a worship of Allah in its pristine dualism. Allah, most people probably dont know, is grammatically feminine. Its not spoken of in exoteric sectarian Islam because this is sufism - its inner dimension, but Allah is worshipped in a feminine manner, aswell.. Look at very effete Dervish dances, as a good example of this.

The name itself "dome" of the "rock" alludes to the Sky - male, and the Earth - female.

Its classical paganism and not many people are educated enough to see this.. But its language is obviously clear, similar to ouranous and gaia - heaven and earth. Only in pagan religions is G-d reduced to heaven and earth, as he is in Islam...

Gold can be manufactured so thin that it becomes transparent.
This was known in ancient times and was the only way to safely observe the sun with the naked eye.

So yeah, the dome is an abomination.

A huge golden dome one can't see anything through.
The building is even shaped like an observatory.
But look inside and one sees people putting
their faces to the ground, seeing nothing.

Why doesn't anyone fix this?


David Grouchy

reply to post by dontreally


Yes, it's an abomination...because it's not the religious worship site of your people. And it's pagan...because....well, it has classical religious symbolism.

You claim to have read the Hebrew Scriptures, do you not see that the deity described in that book started out as a polytheistic one? There's clear evidence that Israel as a nation was host to polytheism and that it only ended after the Babylonian captivity. There's absolutely no evidence of a continued line of monotheism starting from some dude in Ur.

Oh, and circumcision is also a classic pagan act.

reply to post by madnessinmysoul


No, i dont see how G-d started out as a polytheistic one, please elaborate.

And its hard to appreciate evidence when the current establishment - which is pagan - In Rome, Berlin, Londin, Madrid, Moscow, and Washington - does everything within their power to underemphasize the historicity of the Bible. They dont even give Hebrew etymologies for words that are obviously derived from Hebrew! Even Abracadabra at the wikipedia entry for it has on one occasion said "source is aramaic", which of course is not true, since the article "like" in aramaic, is a Heh, and that would make it AbraHadabra in aramaic. This word is Hebrew for "i create as i speak", with the Caf, as the article meaning 'like', or 'as i'.

so eytomology, doesnt acknowledge actual Hebrew words. Take another example of Giraffe, which has no known etymology. Goref in Hebrew means "neck", and so naturally the necky creature the giraffe would be derived from a word which means neck. makes total sense and yet no acknowledgement of this from mainstream etymologists/linguists. Elephant too aswell could be derived from Eleph (meaning 1000, a unit often used idomatically in the Bible to mean 'great') Eleph - ant. In other words, just as Ants are great workers, so are elephants (for people), and thus eleph ant, like a thousand ants. Its a reasonable guess given the current explanation they have for it. Also, keep in mind that Hebrew IS actually older than you say it is, and predates arabic, greek and latin, being an old semitic language.

Also, i dont even want to get into the Israeli government giving Jewish holy sites away. What kind of people despises the own tradition. The arabs put fences up around their traditional holy sites and take pride in them. Same with all peoples. The Jews give away Hebron - city of the patriarchs, with the Tomb of the patriarchs, they give away sheckem with Josephs Tomb, they give away rachels tomb in Beit Lechem (bethlehem), they let the Waqf control the temple mount.... My G-d these poor jobs get treated badly by their own pagan liberal government. Tomb of Shmuel (samuel) gets defaced, whats the Israeli response? nothing. Too afraid or unwilling to defend the nations religious and remarkable historical memory. But the worst thing of all, by far, is Israels permit which allows the Waqf to excavate at the temple mount without any supervision, to the horror of archeologists and especially religious Jews, whose history is being purged from the world. They have literally been dumping the history of Jews, by the tons, outside the temple mount. Archeologists are than allowed to rummage through the thrown out debris which is hard enough to look for.

And this is what they throw out! Why would you allow your enemies to destroy your racial memory, and than trust their excavations which any reasonable person knows is just about destroying evidence, rather than bringing it forth. Why in the HELL would they want to defend the history of the Jews? Its ludicrous. They have no right to dig at an area which is Jewish when the Jews and arabs are in the midst of a political war. Its insanity, and only an insane government that hates Judaism, and Torah, would want to do that.

reply to post by dontreally


Really? You should look into ancient Hebrew archeology and the documentary hypothesis. They routinely find multiple deity idols in excavations of ancient Israeli and Judean sites. The documentary hypothesis itself should appeal to you because it's based in linguistics...mainly the several clear dialects and styles of writing used in the Hebrew scriptures.

And again, circumcision: definitely pagan.

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
This sort of talk leads to people blowing each other up over a small piece of real estate.

Seriously, why? Why would a deity who created the cosmos give so much importance to a few hundred square meters? Couldn't the new temple just be built a block down the road? Would the deity care all that much?

a few hundred square meters???

the size of the temple mount, with all the additions, is approximately 35 acres...
i've also heard that in modern terminology that it's size is close to 1,600 meters X 900 meters
(multiply those numbers and see what you get.... ooooh, thats like sacred numberology yes?)

see: www.templemount.org...



i don't know right off the site i visited to get this tid-bit of info.... be ir right or wrong...
but this group of temple enthusiasts say that the Al Asqua (sp?) Mosque is the real Abomination....
the 'Dome of the Rock' was intended as a cross-religious/spiritually iconic building for visitors
and people on personal pilgrimages....
nothing sinister there, in my eyes



picking my brain cells, the temple mount was once the sacred 'Threashing Floor'... then the
enlarged temple mount (through the 2 temples) covered uo the whole of Mount Moriah...
thats why it covers some 35 acres
(usually spoken of in ancient measurement terms...)

reply to post by kallisti36

The Dome of the Rock is the Abomination of Desolation

It is unfortunate that we don't seem to have the will or the ability to live and let live. The OP here is also a good example of extremism that isn't just antiSemitic or antiChristian.

There is enough intolerance to go around evenly and deny everyone the right to believe in their chosen deity.

We are going to destroy in a few years what it took 5,000 to build. There will be no passing of this cup. We are headlong into now.

reply to post by dontreally


I was implying that a combination of Christian and Jewish thought gives one the bigger picture of how the Dome of the Rock is the Abomination of Desolation. It's a slap in the face of Jews and Christians.

reply to post by dontreally


This is exactly what I've been getting at for years. The Zionists keep defending Israel as a Jewish nation, but it's not! It's a secular one. Judaism is a religion, and one need only look at the Temple Mount to see who has religious control in Jerusalem. The Israeli politicians are perfectly content with pissing off the whole world by murdering Palestinians, but show no regard for their own religious history. They are apostates and murderers. Being a Christian, I totally support the Jews controlling Israel, it is theirs after all, but the so called Zionist movement is a political one that steals land, makes war, and allows the holiest sites of the Jews to be defaced.

reply to post by madnessinmysoul


Or, you can read the bible and read about how often the Israelites "turned away from their G-d".

What do you think the ENTIRE books of Joshua, Judges, Samuel, Kings are about? They left their G-d and continuously served idols.

This doesnt prove at all that the Torah and religion of Israel was pagan; it only suggests what the bible already avidly discusses; paganism, serving the Ba'al, Ashtaroth, Ashera, Molech, and other assyrian/babylonian and egyptian idols.

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
reply to post by dontreally

 

Yes, it's an abomination...because it's not the religious worship site of your people. And it's pagan...because....well, it has classical religious symbolism.

You claim to have read the Hebrew Scriptures, do you not see that the deity described in that book started out as a polytheistic one? There's clear evidence that Israel as a nation was host to polytheism and that it only ended after the Babylonian captivity. There's absolutely no evidence of a continued line of monotheism starting from some dude in Ur.

Oh, and circumcision is also a classic pagan act.

Let me explain this in a theological way: the Dome of the Rock is a giant religious slap to the face. Don't you lecture Christians and Jews about being more accepting, there is nothing excepting about the Dome of the Rock. All over the Dome are mosaic friezes talking about how Ya'hshuah isn't God and Jews are forbidden from praying on their temple mount. Why do they even need to put those mosaic friezes up? The Temple had very little to do with Ya'hshuah, he didn't spend a whole lot of time there. I would understand Muslims installing a mosque on Golgotha with those friezes, because that is a place of huge significance to the doctrine of the God-man and the crucifixion. It does make sense when it is seen as a deliberate blasphemy and fulfillment of prophecy.

Yes, I have read the Hebrew scriptures, it says that Abraham came out of Ur and his father made idols. The Jews were lead out of a polytheistic society by YHVH. Finding idols and polytheism among the Jews isn't a surprise either, nearly every prophet in the OT was railing on the Israelites for worshipping other gods and making idols.

reply to post by kallisti36

The Abomination of Desolation was first predicted by Daniel.

The first and primary application of this when Antiochus Epiphanies attempted to utterly destroy the Hebrews during the inter-testament period.

His defeat by the Maccabees and the restoration of the temple is still celebrated today...
...by Hanukkah aka the Festival of Lights or the Feast of Dedication.

Jesus also referred to the Abomination of Desolation that many believe was a prediction of the destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans in 70 AD...
...and perhaps a prediction of His own death and subsequent resurrection.

I think that the Abomination of Desolation theme can be reapplied to any event where an attempt is made to destroy the true witness of God in the world...
...with an assurance that although it appears that it will end...
...it will be gloriously restored.

I don't believe that the Temple Mount has any significance to true Christians...
...because Jesus and His people are the New Temple...
...although it still has significance for traditional Hebrews who failed to recognize their Messiah in Jesus.

reply to post by kallisti36


Zionism the political movement is a creation of the European Illuminati. Vatican/noble houses, mainly through Britain. .Though, i am bothered by their usage of the word Zion, since it refers to the holy temple mount.

Zionism is really just G-ds desire to have a place in the world, and the temple mount is a symbol for it.

These secular socialists want the complete opposite. G-d OUT OF the world, and so ironically, and with enormous chutzpah, they name their movement zionism. To mock G-ds desire to have a 'habitation' in the world.

The word itself means 'marker'. Like a point of connection between mankind and G-d.

People think the religious settlers who want to settle in the westbank; otherwise known as Judea and Sumeria - the most jewish of ancient Israel land, are extremists because their own Jewish liberal state owned media has branded them as that. These are simple people entitled to settle anywhere in the land of Israel. Land they won fair and square in the 6 day war, which their retarded government is giving away for promises of peace, and land which is anciently rooted in the history of the nation of Judea, and Israel. It is a mockery to call it 'the westbank'. Its Judea!

Originally posted by redoubt
reply to post by kallisti36

 

The Dome of the Rock is the Abomination of Desolation

It is unfortunate that we don't seem to have the will or the ability to live and let live. The OP here is also a good example of extremism that isn't just antiSemitic or antiChristian.

There is enough intolerance to go around evenly and deny everyone the right to believe in their chosen deity.

We are going to destroy in a few years what it took 5,000 to build. There will be no passing of this cup. We are headlong into now.

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and abolishes the sacrifice and only lets other ducks on a place of religious significance for two other species of birds... The point I'm getting at is that Islam has stolen a Jewish holy site and jealously guards it to the point where any talk of allowing Jews or Christians to worship up there is met with Sabre rattling. Muslims can have their religion, I'm not saying they should be wiped off the face of the Earth. So why can't "the people of the Book" all share Mount Moriah?

Originally posted by kallisti36

Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
reply to post by dontreally

 

Yes, it's an abomination...because it's not the religious worship site of your people. And it's pagan...because....well, it has classical religious symbolism.

You claim to have read the Hebrew Scriptures, do you not see that the deity described in that book started out as a polytheistic one? There's clear evidence that Israel as a nation was host to polytheism and that it only ended after the Babylonian captivity. There's absolutely no evidence of a continued line of monotheism starting from some dude in Ur.

Oh, and circumcision is also a classic pagan act.

Let me explain this in a theological way: the Dome of the Rock is a giant religious slap to the face. Don't you lecture Christians and Jews about being more accepting, there is nothing excepting about the Dome of the Rock. All over the Dome are mosaic friezes talking about how Ya'hshuah isn't God and Jews are forbidden from praying on their temple mount. Why do they even need to put those mosaic friezes up? The Temple had very little to do with Ya'hshuah, he didn't spend a whole lot of time there. I would understand Muslims installing a mosque on Golgotha with those friezes, because that is a place of huge significance to the doctrine of the God-man and the crucifixion. It does make sense when it is seen as a deliberate blasphemy and fulfillment of prophecy.

Yes, I have read the Hebrew scriptures, it says that Abraham came out of Ur and his father made idols. The Jews were lead out of a polytheistic society by YHVH. Finding idols and polytheism among the Jews isn't a surprise either, nearly every prophet in the OT was railing on the Israelites for worshipping other gods and making idols.

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I am a Christian and the temple mount has no significance to me except as a historical artifact.

reply to post by kallisti36


Ya right.

Everytime any mention of the temple mount is made the Arab clerics have thousands of followers surround the temple mount.

To them its the ultimate bargaining chip. Its their "3rd" holy site we so often here.

Im for what Me'ir Kahane said. They want to preserve the historicity of their dome of the rock? Fine. Have it transported to Mecca or medina - the #1 and #2 holy sites in Islam.

The temple mount belong to the Jews and anyone who doesnt admit that, or appreciate its religious importance to Israel is blinded by their hate for Jews or a fanatic liberalism that blinds them to death.

Originally posted by kallisti36

Prayer and sacrifice for the Jewish people has been utterly stopped since the Ummayid Caliphs built the Dome of the Rock, a process, which I might add, took seven years. The Jews however, do not fully grasp why this mosque is an abomination and most Christians don't either. The Christians see the destruction of the Temple as a fulfillment of prophecy and something that would convince Jews to worship Christ. The Temple is now within him. There is no remission of sins without the shedding of blood and the sacrifice by Jewish tradition must be performed on the Temple Mount. This is why Christ is necessary and why there need not be any more sacrifice, because blood has been shed for every man, woman, and child on the face of the Earth. So, what is the abomination on this holy (but currently unnecessary) ground? The dome of the Rock is already a temple to the moon-god Allah, but on the wing of this abomination, on a mosaic frieze is the abomination that truly makes desolate:

I'll tend to disagree with this statement; but I'll also tell you why. The "East Gate" is shut by G_d, as referenced to in Ezekiel 44, which states:

1 Then he brought me back the way of the gate
of the outward sanctuary which looketh toward
the east; and it was shut.

2 Then said the LORD unto me; This gate shall
be shut, it shall not be opened, and no man
shall enter in by it; because the LORD,
the God of Israel, hath entered in by it,
therefore it shall be shut.

3 It is for the prince; the prince, he shall
sit in it to eat bread before the LORD;
he shall enter by the way of the porch of
that gate, and shall go out by the way
of the same.

It's clear that G_d is speaking of "time to come," which implicates an "end-times" reference. The "keepers of the charge" point to another order, as referenced in the following:

14 But I will make them keepers of the charge
of the house, for all the service thereof,and for
all that shall be done therein.

15 But the priests the Levites, the sons of Zadok,
that kept the charge of my sanctuary when the
children of Israel went astray from me, they shall
come near to me to minister unto me, and they shall
stand before me to offer unto me the fat and the
blood, saith the Lord GOD:

16 They shall enter into my sanctuary, and they
shall come near to my table, to minister unto me,
and they shall keep my charge.

17 And it shall come to pass, that when they enter
in at the gates of the inner court, they shall be
clothed with linen garments; and no wool shall come
upon them, whiles they minister in the gates of the
inner court, and within.

An entry on Wikipedia about "The Dome of the Rock," mentions some very interesting aspects of "religious significance," which describes aspects present during modern time, especially about "access to holy places" plus careful reverence "to not enter a location if the inner court, where the Holy of Holies is located," to not break Jewish law. Some argue with archeological excavation with today's technology would greatly aid in knowing "just where" some specific locations might exist, to not go against the law.

To support the above, it is necessary to provide supporting quotes and references which serve to "tidy-up" the "whole" package, which the following quote should do. It is with conviction that I assert the likely-hood of Israel being one geographic "state" or not having any geographic and ethnic barriers which preclude worship. An inference exists, which follows, to support this, which says:

9 But when the people of the land shall come before the LORD in the appointed seasons, he that entereth by the way of the north gate to worship shall go forth by the way of the south gate; and he that entereth by the way of the south gate shall go forth by the way of the north gate; he shall not return by the way of the gate whereby he came in, but shall go forth straight before him.

This stands in conflict with previous statements by G_d, dictating entering and exiting by way of the same gate. So this directly influences my mind to think this is a "future event," and prophecy still has yet to be fulfilled.

I hope this brief post enlightens and brightens! May you always have hope that everything will unfold in the universe as it should.

Many Blessings,

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