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Originally posted by snowen20
reply to post by sbctinfantry
I too am a former 11 Bravo, and I can agree with you on the fact that women in charge of large groups of guys can go down hill pretty quick regardless of how bad ass and aggressive she may be. I noticed while I served that often times when a women was in charge that they had to over compensate for the fact they were a woman by being "extra" harsh if you will. This of course meant little or nothing to us male soldiers because we looked at it as almost a game. We found ourselves mumbling and talking crap and generally losing discipline and our military bearing when we would not have done so had a man tasked us out to something instead.
That being said, I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever that a woman can effectively fight in combat. There are numerous historical occurrences of women whupping backside effectively. My problem is the men. This view may not be shared with everyone but as a man, I think we have an instinctual desire to protect females. I know I do.
I once had this female lieutenant who was still in training, we were having an exercise and she was taken out by a sniper. Funny thing is so were about 3 other guys including a captain. Who did all the guys run to? The Chick of course. Go figure! lol All I can say was thank God it was only training.
Women in combat are a distraction to men. Especially younger men who have barely escaped puberty by the time they join the military. Like I said it's not the women that are a problem it's us men, naturally. I have nothing against all female combat units however. But mixing them up will negatively effect the combat effectiveness of the military in my opinion.edit on 16-1-2011 by snowen20 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Equinox99
There are things that women can do that men simply can't and vice versa. But to think that women should be able to serve in combat is simply ludicrous. Men have a lot more muscle mass that lets them carry out things that women can't. While both can excel in cardio activities men have more muscle capacity to hold more weight, hold tougher weapons, and are tougher in close combat situations.
Some women can do those things as well but you have to be realistic. Women simply don't have the same physical strength and endurance needed to excel. If you think women have what it takes than let them pull the exact same training as the men. That includes the weight training, running miles with a 40-60lb bag, and weapon accuracy. If they can pull that then my hats off to them and you can join the men.
..to think that women should be able to serve in combat is simply ludicrous.
If they can pull that then my hats off to them and you can join the men.
Originally posted by snowen20
reply to post by Reaper2137
Two things.
1. Get over yourself you sound utterly ridiculous.
2. Are you sure your not female cause you sure read like one.
If you want to wave the banner of the 21st century proudly overhead like that will somehow change things, knock yourself out hero. But guess what?...Things will never change. so ....yeah.. take that.
Originally posted by snowen20
reply to post by Reaper2137
reply to post by Reaper2137
Oh gee you got me! Yada yada yada......Make it stick.
Let me tell you there were these wonderful losers in the army popping hot for coke on 3 separate occasions. On another occasion a private attacked the captain with a fold out pocket knife ( didn't cut him just threatened.)
Another private went AWOL for 4 months during a time of war.
The two drug addicts what did they get? 45 and 45.. that's it.
The crazy private with the knife? He got a counseling statement and a week long stay at an RR clinic.
The AWOL private..............A counseling statement.
At no time did anyone ever whine about UCMJ beyond that. Because while we all bitched and complained and occasionally broke from what you see as the divine book of military law and order, people do ridiculous things when stressed.
So now that you are so inline with having me shot when you don't even know me...why should I take anything you say seriously?
You are a dime a dozen, and if you were ever in the military you probably some blowhard Drill instructor still on the trail, though he would know better. or A blow hard Officer working in headquarters. So like I initially said... Get over yourself.
Originally posted by ModernAcademia
People need to wake up and smell reality rather than just try to fit in with the politically correct group
Report: Women at War Suffering More Mental Health Conditions Than Men
A new study says female military members returning from Afghanistan and Iraq are more likely to suffer from mental health conditions than their male counterparts.
In June 2009, the VA reported almost 20,000 female military veterans from both Afghanistan and Iraq conflicts had been diagnosed with some form of mental disorder, including nearly 8,500 women diagnosed specifically with PTSD.
www.wtvr.com...
Originally posted by snowen20
reply to post by Reaper2137
Listen reaper.. here's the deal okay.
Bear with this next sentence if you can it's nuts!
I'm not sexist, Per se. or I don't know maybe I am unconsciously. All I know Is I do find women beautiful and I don't want them to be put into a position that could harm them. That doesn't mean I'm right at all, I admit that!
Anyway...
Its like I said it's merely my opinion, I think every woman or gay person or anyone has the right to serve and serve to the fullest extent the desire. Even if that means direct line of fire combat.
I will admit, we had kind of a screwy unit one of many and we were certainly working out the kinks. I complained about the lack of discipline more times than I can count and got nowhere, only told to stop rocking the damn boat.
When I was in AIT long ago there was this woman Drill Instructor that baby sat us for a few hours, that's one of those occasions when rowdy teens act stupid and that's what I was referring to. When I became a squad leader you better believe I was kicking ass whenever a superior wasn't obeyed woman or not. But I can only push so hard ya know, before I'm spinning my wheels with people. I know you probably hate me, or maybe you just feel sorry for my pathetic line of thinking, I'm sorry.
Personally I didn't feel like I was doing anything wrong in fact when I posted my line of thought was to complement females for what they can do in the military not degrade. I thought made it clear that I saw as many men falling out as women and I knew women that could out shoot and out perform many guys. Though none were in my unit.
I know that the times are supposed to change but human chemistry doesn't, and until we find a way to balance that out I "personally" don't see how we can effectively fight as a unit without getting distracted.
I personally think an all female combat unit would be pretty cool. and probably function better than an all male combat unit at least have better discipline...
I don't want to get off on the wrong foot with you reaper, I don't like folks who don't know me talking about having me shot when I wasn't the particular problem in the scenario. Know what I mean, I kind of take that seriously.
Also I wanna make it clear that my issue isn't that women shouldn't fight in combat...No no no...I just don't think they should necessarily fight along with men. not right now anyway.
I do believe whole heatedly that they are quite capable of performing their tasks and drills like any man in combat.
Sorry if you got a problem with me, or utterly disagree. Ill say this though, if I said anything that was offensive to you personally let me apologize. Perhaps we can agree on other things at other times.
Originally posted by stealthXninja
reply to post by DaWhiz
Your post gave me a good laugh. I quoted that same post earlier, it was a little extreme for sure.