Rendlesham forest, "Ancient Aliens" episode 30.12.10 and binary numbers

Something does not add up here, watched the scifi channel video about the Rendlesham forest. In the video jim states in the regression video that he believes that the craft is us from the future, and the only reason he believes that is because he does not believe in aliens. On the earth files site thoughwww.earthfiles.com... there is the transcript of some of the regression. Jim talks about how they are from the future and they need chromosomes. He also states that they can't go into the future, and that they can go back in time as far as 50,000 years. So how is it possible that jim knows this??? Why does he state in the regression tape that was released on scifi, that he only believed that they were time travelers because he does not believe in aliens. How come the rest of the information was not even mentioned on the show in 2001? Also is there a way to corroborate the evidence about the code, if some one on the show like a producer saw the regression video in full length?????

why do you guys expect that this binary code is some message in english? (it kind of makes sense) but, the guy may have just picked the bits and he may not even know that the message was for him, so, it may be in some ancient language

another thing: did u guys tried to check if the system is big or little endian?

(I dont even know how the guy decoded, so, I am blind here)

because really, in that time, 198x, we did not have many computers, so, we should research how those worked, and try to use that to decode the message (IF this is a message)


the content that the guy decoded, doesnt seem like a message at all, so, it may be a huge coincidence ... (not very probable, but really, this is not a message, its more like a statement or a description of something that wasnt suppose to be read by us)

Originally posted by secretstoshadow111
Something does not add up here, watched the scifi channel video about the Rendlesham forest. In the video jim states in the regression video that he believes that the craft is us from the future, and the only reason he believes that is because he does not believe in aliens. On the earth files site thoughwww.earthfiles.com... there is the transcript of some of the regression. Jim talks about how they are from the future and they need chromosomes. He also states that they can't go into the future, and that they can go back in time as far as 50,000 years. So how is it possible that jim knows this??? Why does he state in the regression tape that was released on scifi, that he only believed that they were time travelers because he does not believe in aliens. How come the rest of the information was not even mentioned on the show in 2001? Also is there a way to corroborate the evidence about the code, if some one on the show like a producer saw the regression video in full length?????

maybe this regression is all bull/45135, and its probably more a brain trying to create something than really you trying to recover what happened

and I dont believe in time travel, completely non sense theory, very unlikely that our universe would allow something like that, it would just be something that would break the order and would be continuously multiplying ou universe, I really dont like to imagine a universe supporting time travel to the past

reply to post by secretstoshadow111

Jim talks about how they are from the future and they need chromosomes. He also states that they can't go into the future, and that they can go back in time as far as 50,000 years. So how is it possible that jim knows this???

More intriguingly...how would they get back?

Originally posted by IsaacKoi
I've had a response from Jim Penniston to the questions I put to him.

My questions were:

....
(3) One of the individuals that attended the "Return to Rendlesham" event, Dave Hodrien of the Birmingham UFO Group, has stated "someone has tested the note paper and ink to prove he wrote it back in 1980". Can you confirm that tests have been done? Can you provide any details of the relevant tests and the results - or point me in the right direction if you have also indicated any of these details somewhere?

Having pointed out, twice, that Linda's article did not in fact answer this question (or my other questions), a moderator of Jim Penniston's discussion forum has now posted the following:

At the conference Jim stated that he was going to have the paper and ink tested which would indicate that at that time it had not been done. They know that this has to be done to silence sceptics which chose not to attend the seminar on the 28th when they could of challenged the eye witnesses face to face.
Jim mentioned there were 12 pages of binary code and they may be made public at some time but the reason for not making them public has nothing to do with financial gain or t.v shows book deals or the like, you will just have to trust me on this one and accept their decision not to publicise them at this time.some of the codes require further scrutiny.

Read more: bentwaters1980.proboards.com...

Okay it took me a while to read through all the stuff posted here but I have finally caught up with real time..

Assuming this guy didn't make this up.. the old scifi documentary casts a lot of doubt on this (not mentioning this in the past) plus the missing pages and lack of good original stuff made public.

Never the less I noticed in the Sun online newspaper some comments that Mr_Cuong is ready to go deep sea diving.. hold your horses.. before you go you need to read my post... btw: I am willing to tag along for advice
This is what he said:

We have been trying to get hold of u via your web site www.nickpope.net but have been unsuccessful. We are an independent research organization deep sea salvage. We would be interested in you joining our team as we plan to go down the depths at the following location. We have also contacted some key members from the UFO magazine. We have a detailed sonar plan of the sea floor in that location and have found a strange mass on the sea bed 52 degrees92' 0992" north,13 degrees17'8558" west which is roughly the same area. We have limited time as we have secret intel that AUTEC are also very keen in doing a deep sea exploration.

BUT this is what I have figured out..

There are many possible coordinates for this binary decode and ALL should be considered. (if this is real)


Original Text Says: 520942532N 13131269W (52-09-42-53-2N 1-31-31-26-9W)

TV Show says the answer is:
DMS 52°09'42.532N 13°13'12.69W goo.gl...

** Just noticed by using the map shortcuts you need to click *Search Map* when the page opens to be taken to the actual location - some links work right away other need the extra click **

If so then this is also possible:
DMS 52°09'42.532N 131°31'26.9W goo.gl...
DMS 52°09'42.532N 1°31'31.269W goo.gl...

Also you need to consider this if the original is in fact decimal:
DEC 52.0942532N 131.31269W goo.gl...
DEC 52.0942532N 13.131269W goo.gl...
DEC 52.0942532N 1.3131269W goo.gl...

And finally this by converting to DMS:
DMS 52°05'39.3115", 131°18'45.6840" goo.gl...
DMS 52°05'39.3115", 013°07'52.5684" goo.gl...
DMS 52°05'39.3115", 001°18'47.2568" goo.gl...


Can all other brain boxes out there TEST these coordinates and see if any besides the TV version rings a bell!!!

More intriguingly...how would they get back?

Simple, they don't. The craft may be robotic drones, and after capturing the needed biological material it is then cryogenic-lly stored internal to the craft. Next, the robotic craft hides itself into a pre-programmed geographic location on the planet to be discovered later...MUCH later.

Maybe the specific location on the earth or underwater the "time capsule" craft is supposed to rest for all these thousands of years is programmed internally...as GPS coordinates in binary!

Originally posted by AlienCrysis
snip..
If so then this is also possible:
DMS 52°09'42.532N 131°31'26.9W
DMS 52°09'42.532N 1°31'31.269W

Also you need to consider this if the original is in fact decimal:
DEC 52.0942532N 131.31269W
DEC 52.0942532N 13.131269W
DEC 52.0942532N 1.3131269W

And finally this by converting to DMS:
DMS 52°05'39.3115", 131°18'45.6840"
DMS 52°05'39.3115", 013°07'52.5684"
DMS 52°05'39.3115", 001°18'47.2568"

Can all other brain boxes out there TEST these coordinates and see if any besides the TV version rings a bell!!!

I just had a look at this one on google earth when you mentioned it:

DEC 52.0942532N 131.31269W


You should go see what the underwater terrain is like at this location, one of the strangest i've seen if its a true representation and bang on the coords is a huge plateau at a steady -1640ft. Very angular terrain and all flat surfaces nearby too. Probably nothing, maybe this is common and I just haven't seen it before.



ETA: Image>>>

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/415f3b46c106.jpg[/atsimg]

Just a thought.
Some of the posts here speak of individuals from the future attempting to gather DNA from individuals from this timeframe.

Interestingly, 52°05'39.3115", 013°07'52.5684" is a Bio-Technology Plant in Germany. A good place to obtain what ever one is after?

Coincidence??

reply to post by Kandinsky


On earth files it states: "To travel through time? No backwards they can't go forward.
They can't go into the future? They go to there past. It's impossible to go the the future. It takes too much energy.
How far can there ships go? 40 to 50,000 years they cant go back much further or they might not be able to get back. Why do they come back so far ? So it does not effect the timeline. The further it is the better, the least effect it has on changing the future. They can't control it its too cumbersome."

Seems like he is stating that they are here to change genetics in the past, so the future can benefit from it.

That is my loose interpretation of it. All of this testimony is hypnotic regression though, and i am having a real hard time believing in this one. Things are becoming to fantastical.

Pfft...

I don't mean to sound condescending, but..

So this guy has a Binary message that he didn't decipher for over 30 years? People are getting confused about how he obtained this Binary message 30 years ago?

You know folks...

The Chinese created I-Ching about roughly 5,000 to 7,000 years ago. I-Ching = Binary numbers and sequences.

What always bothered me was how did prehistoric man create something as sophisticated as I-Ching without computers or a clear understanding of modern mathematics and astrology.

Some guy who wrote down sets of Binary numbers that reads "Take me to your leader!" some 30 years ago, doesn't appeal to me one bit.

Originally posted by Aggie Man
I watched this episode. With all due respect to the guy that wrote down the binary code, I call BS. He waits 30-years to mention/release the binary code he allegedly wrote down 30-years ago. That merely gave him 30-years to create the message that any grade school computer user could accomplish. I enjoy the Ancient Aliens series, but that part is beyond ridiculous....not to mention the Randlesham Forest incident is far from "ancient".

my 2-cents

This is a very good point.



(and, I'm a Longhorn ('89 - Math) - sh!t, maybe the world IS coming to an end )


Hook'em m/. Good luck versus LSU in a few days. You're gonna need it!

Incidentally, one of the moderators of Jim Penniston's forum has indicated that a full recording of the seminar referred to in the OP should be made available soon - so we should have a little more information direct from Jim Penniston then.

All the best,

Isaac

reply to post by gmax111


Has a decoding been done using the Binary Golay Code? This code was utilized in the NASA deep space missions of Voyager 1 and 2. Seems logical that if you assume this is authentic that this is the code an extraterrestial would use as it was the code we chose to utilize.
Very interested to see the interpretation utilizing this code.

See this NASA white paper: ipnpr.jpl.nasa.gov...

reply to post by GodKilla

Simple, they don't. The craft may be robotic drones, and after capturing the needed biological material it is then cryogenic-lly stored internal to the craft. Next, the robotic craft hides itself into a pre-programmed geographic location on the planet to be discovered later...MUCH later.

Maybe the specific location on the earth or underwater the "time capsule" craft is supposed to rest for all these thousands of years is programmed internally...as GPS coordinates in binary!

Great point and it sort of makes sense too. If you listen carefully, you can hear Michael Salla and Alfred Webre jotting the idea down for future Examiner articles. Maybe Bill Ryan could interview someone very mysterious involved with the storage of the genetic data?

reply to post by SquirrelNutz
Now come on Squirrel.

Is Penniston's claim any more extraordinary than Lloyd 'Paypal' Pye's?

Two responses that have been vastly overlooked...

Originally posted by RUDDD49
These coordinates would make sense. As Western Ireland has Geological evidence of Tsunami damage all across its coastline. As with the instability off the Norwegian Coastline under its sandbanks, its entirely possible this part of the Atlantic could have suffered a catastrophic "slip" sometime in the past few million/thousand years, leading to the under-ocean delta we see today.

Originally posted by jclmavg
The message (if real) seems to be an answer to the question of what it was doing here and perhaps its origins. Perhaps the object was able somehow to read his mind and the message was an interactive response?

Thanks, for putting your thinking caps on, you two. [Star'd]

(still... unsure at this point) - fact is, maybe he made UP the whole binary story - maybe he was given a completely different vision of things, or communicated to in a completely different method than what he is admitting, and (for fear of mocking, or ridicule) came up with the binary code story so he could at least get it OUT there for people to see. Who really knows at this point. I would like to see those coordinates investigated. Paging Jacques Cousteau...

Also, I realize he didn't bring up the code until recently, but when was it originally written down?! If he wrote the code 30 years ago (or simply prove that it was significantly before mentioned vocally) there must be a way to determine, from the original copy he created, if the ink has aged accordingly. That would go a long way.

And, why the discrepancy between 6 and 12 pages? (between the Ancient Aliens program and embed of the actual interview on YT, respectively)

Anyone else here remember Linda Howe and the godlike productions fiasco several years back? Yah, i havent trusted her since she sold out back then... I really wonder how the history channel even picked up someone like that.

After reading the 1994 James Penniston hypnosis session this is my conclusion..

[Link to Transcript]

He initially says they are "us" from the future but they can only go back in time. AND THEN at the end he says "These ships can go forty to fifty thousand years. They can't go back much further. They might not get be able to get back."
So which is true? they can go forward in time or NOT??
On a positive note if they are "us" from the future then maybe they would know english binary.
Note this interview is back in 1994 and they are talking about the binary then.. Didn't think to decode it then MAYBE!?!?

Okay after a lot of hard work here is the exact RAW BINARY DATA you can now copy and paste.
I have kept the original errors in place (extra long or short line) as the "corrections" may be errors themselves.
Full text reads: EXPLORATION OG HUMANITY 6668100520942532N13131269W CONTI NUOUS FOR PLANETARY ADVAN CF(N/O)(U)RTH COODINATE CONTINUO(T)U(Q)S C(E)PR BEFORE
Can anyone see anything that should be added to the original coordinates? is there more to this? are we missing something in this picture?

PAGE 1: EXPLORATIONOGHUMANITY6668100

01000101
01011000
01010000
01001100
01001111
01010010
01000001
01010100
01001001
01001111
01001110
01001111
01000111
01001000
01010101
01001101
01000001
01001110
01001001
01010100
01011001
0011011
0011011
0011011
00111000
00110001
00110000
00110000

PAGE 2: 520942532N13131269WCONTI N

00110101
00110010
00110000
00111001
00110100
00110010
00110101
00110011
00110010
01001110
00110001
00110011
00110001
00110011
00110001
00110010
00110110
00111001
01010111
01000011
01001111
01001110
01010100
01001001
001
01001110

PAGE 3: UOUS FORPLANETARYADVAN C

01010101
01001111
01010101
01010011
01
01000110
01001111
01010010
01010000
01001100
01000001
01001110
01000101
01010100
01000001
01010010
01011001
01000001
01000100
01010110
01000001
01001110
00011100
100010
01000011

PAGE 4: F(N/O)(U)RTHCOODINATECONTINUO(T)U(Q)S C(E)PRBEFOR

01000110
01001110
101010101
01010010
01010100
01001000
01000011
01001111
01001111
01000100
01001001
01001110
01000001
01010100
01000101
01000011
01001111
01001110
01010100
01001001
01001110
01010101
01001111
01010100
01010101
01010001
01010011
10
01000011
011000101
01010000
01010010
01000010
01000101
01000110
01001111
01010010

PAGE 5: E

01000101

Just looked at the coordinates again..
6668100520942532N13131269W
Lets split it up..
666-81-00-5-20-94-25-32-N--13-13-12-69-W

Note W has 8 digits for the coordinate maybe N also has 8?
If so who knows where the N coordinate actually starts?
5.20? 52.0? 20.9? 2.09?
See my point?
What are those numbers before the coordinate?
6668100(5)...?

Check out an example:
20.942532N 13.131269W