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I formerly worked for a county treasury in the property tax collection department.
Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
reply to post by mnemeth1
Yours is the argument victims tell themselves when they feel helpless and too lazy to actually read the so called "laws" that are being shoved down their throats. Such an argument is so weak it deserves no respect at all.
Originally posted by PplVSNWO
Originally posted by Awory
So postal workers, highway construction workers, teachers, sanitation workers, and other numerous others produce nothing? I think they would like to take you to task about it.
Correct, they don't produce anything. Road construction CONSUMES. Unless they put in a toll booth, then it's just raping for more taxes to pay for something that was already built and paid for. Income tax doesn't pay for roads anyway, that comes from a voluntary tax on products. I also pay for my sanitation services, teachers should not be gov't funded to begin with. Education should be handled 100% locally, keep the gov'ts paws of education.
Of course, we could have a friendly corporation run your water systems, your highways, carry the mail, and perform other tasks as such. But then again, they will be 'pointing the gun' at someone, now won't they?
I get my good clean water out of the ground, not water contaminated with fluoride and chlorine. see my post above for the others.
Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
reply to post by mnemeth1
The state is using force today, and I am simply pointing out the obvious as well, that people hold the inherent political power at all times and can change this situation when they are ready to do so, but you chose to call that argument "elitist". Victimology won't defeat a criminal state, it takes far more courage than that.
Originally posted by mnemeth1
Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
reply to post by mnemeth1
The state is using force today, and I am simply pointing out the obvious as well, that people hold the inherent political power at all times and can change this situation when they are ready to do so, but you chose to call that argument "elitist". Victimology won't defeat a criminal state, it takes far more courage than that.
I would disagree.
I hold no power to change the situation other than to retaliate with violence myself. Such an action would be futile on my part, therefore I hold no power to change the situation. Ultimately, the State would either kill me or capture me should I chose to resist their aggression.
The assumption that the public at large has power is not true when one considers the nature of a democracy that has no constitutional limitations.
It is correct to say 51% of the public has power, but not "the public" in general.
If 51% of the public wants to loot the other 49%, they can do that in a democracy quite easily.
Originally posted by ProjectJimmy
You are forgetting the power of convincing. You are absolutely right that it would be futile for you personally to violently rise up against your government, but you can use your words and ideas in order to convince that 51% of the population that you are right, therefore not even needing to utilize violence.
I hold no power to change the situation other than to retaliate with violence myself. Such an action would be futile on my part, therefore I hold no power to change the situation. Ultimately, the State would either kill me or capture me should I chose to resist their aggression.
The assumption that the public at large has power is not true when one considers the nature of a democracy that has no constitutional limitations.
It is correct to say 51% of the public has power, but not "the public" in general.
If 51% of the public wants to loot the other 49%, they can do that in a democracy quite easily.
Originally posted by SkyMarshall
You forget, sir.
Those who work for the government, who bring your mail, who protect what freedoms you have left, still pay taxes too.
SM
Originally posted by brainwrek
Originally posted by SkyMarshall
You forget, sir.
Those who work for the government, who bring your mail, who protect what freedoms you have left, still pay taxes too.
SM
Who is protecting a single freedom these days?
Military? Nope.
Originally posted by mnemeth1
reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux
Your arguments assume we have a function constitutional government.
We do not.
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what is for dinner.
I am against democracy.
I am against constitutional republics because they do not work.
In fact, I am against all government period - because it is nothing more than a legalized monopoly on force.
I think a private law society that operates without any government monopolies on force would produce superior results.
Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
If you are so against "government" employees...then you should stop using public roads, public libraries, public schools, police department, fire department. You should never visit national parks or monuments...never collect social security or medicare. You should not have a drivers license, passport, or social security card. You should never vote or contact your senator or representative. YOU SHOULD NOT BE ON THE INTERNET. You should not own a firearm. You should not own a business. You should not use electricity or any oil products. You should not eat food grown by American farmers. Basically you should live in a powerless shack and grow your own food...while illegally squating on land you don't own and not paying taxes on.
All the above takes GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES to run smoothly. And yes...they should be paid by tax money.
Originally posted by mnemeth1I formerly worked for a county treasury in the property tax collection department.