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Originally posted by johnny2127
Do you realize that what you are up in arms about is that people have to carry proof of citizenship? Carry a drivers license, won't have a problem.
Originally posted by johnny2127
Do you realize that what you are up in arms about is that people have to carry proof of citizenship?
People are being MURDERED and KIDNAPPED in Arizona by illegals daily. If the Federal Govt enforced their own laws, this wouldn't be an issue.
But I'll tell one thing that is 100% true, it is a constitutional right for people and states to defend themselves from harm. The Federal Govt won't enforce their own laws, so AZ has to do something.
The solution has many of you up in arms to defend these criminals.
I am in AZ quite a bit, and if a police officer asked me for proof of citizenship would I feel like my rights were violated? Hell no. Know who would? The illegals here on a freeride in the US and the bleeding heart liberals that care more about the so called 'rights' of illegals than law abiding, tax paying US citizens.
I don't care where you are from. If you are here illegally, you deserve to be deported. I don't care if thats Europe, Russia, Mexica, Canada, Central America, South America, Asia, etc....
Originally posted by digifanatic
When I got my CA ID, I had to provide a SSN and a birth certificate or SSN and a passport. When I got my CA DL a few years later, I had to provide either a birth certificate and SSN or a valid CA ID and SSN or a passport and SSN. Either way, I had to prove I was a citizen of the USA.
Originally posted by Jenna
reply to post by K J Gunderson
*sigh*
Think what you like. I wasn't given complete information and based my response on what I was given like any sane rational person would.
Excuse me for not being a mind-reader and knowing exactly what he was talking about when I'd never even heard about that happening until about 5 minutes ago.
You want to try and twist it into me being hypocritical, have at it because I really don't care and it's not worth wasting my time when it's blatantly obvious that his post was meant to intentionally bait me into saying what they did was ok before telling me what exactly it was that happened. Yeah, I fell for it. Bad Jenna. I'll put myself in the corner now.
Originally posted by digifanatic
reply to post by Afterall
When I got my CA ID, I had to provide a SSN and a birth certificate or SSN and a passport. When I got my CA DL a few years later, I had to provide either a birth certificate and SSN or a valid CA ID and SSN or a passport and SSN. Either way, I had to prove I was a citizen of the USA.
Arizona has been passing some weird things lately, I don't know whats going on down there all of a sudden but I'm staying away.
Originally posted by Jenna
I am so quoting you next time someone calls me a neo-con.
Seriously though, you know who will feel like their rights are being violated? The legal US citizens who just happen to be Hispanic who end up getting detained because some jacktard thinks they might be here illegally. You just don't get it. It's their rights I'm standing up for here, not the illegals. Just because they are physically similar to the people sneaking across the border and murdering people doesn't make it right for their rights to be violated just so you can sleep at night thinking something's finally being done about illegal immigration.
Originally posted by NightGypsy
reply to post by VintageEnvy
Arizona has been passing some weird things lately, I don't know whats going on down there all of a sudden but I'm staying away.
I was just gonna say the same thing.
Originally posted by Afterall
Originally posted by digifanatic
reply to post by Afterall
So you are trying to tell me that non-citizens such as people here on work visas can not get a legal US driver's license? I am fairly certain that Jenna has already pointed out that non-citizens can get a driver's license. Do you have any proof otherwise?
Originally posted by johnny2127
Again, for someone to show proof of citizenship is reasonable to me. They don't detain then ask. They ask and then if something is fishy they detain. So let me ask you, which violated rights are more severe: A) illegals murdering or kidnapping, sucking taxpayer dollars out of social programs; or B) An occasional US citizen being inconvenienced to show an ID
Originally posted by digifanatic
I was actually just answering a question by Afterall.
I did not read through the entire thread. I don't know the laws of all 50 states regarding DL issuance. Sure it's easy to fake a license, SSN, or passport if you know where to go, but it's easy for authorities to verify the authenticity of those documents by running your name through a database. If you get a hit, you're probably not illegal.
If you have a visa, then you're here legally and good for you.
Originally posted by johnny2127
But you speak of hispanics here legally being the ones that would be upset, and I would beg to differ. I have many legal hispanic friends, and they are huge supporters of this.
Again, for someone to show proof of citizenship is reasonable to me. They don't detain then ask. They ask and then if something is fishy they detain.
So let me ask you, which violated rights are more severe: A) illegals murdering or kidnapping, sucking taxpayer dollars out of social programs; or B) An occasional US citizen being inconvenienced to show an ID
Originally posted by Afterall
Originally posted by digifanatic
reply to post by Afterall
When I got my CA ID, I had to provide a SSN and a birth certificate or SSN and a passport. When I got my CA DL a few years later, I had to provide either a birth certificate and SSN or a valid CA ID and SSN or a passport and SSN. Either way, I had to prove I was a citizen of the USA.
So you are trying to tell me that non-citizens such as people here on work visas can not get a legal US driver's license? I am fairly certain that Jenna has already pointed out that non-citizens can get a driver's license. Do you have any proof otherwise?