What if unemployment benefits do stop?

Originally posted by LinksINC

Originally posted by Subjective Truth
reply to post by seattletruth

 

I think this may be the end game they see for us. War is a easy solution to this problem but at what cost? We can do this another way they choose not to. If they had just given the money to us instead of the banks everything would have been fine. The economy would have boomed.

They know the trickle down theory is a lie.. Anyone with any common sense AT ALL knows that money goes up and into banks... money does not go down... They used the bogus "trickle down" LIE as an excuse for the bail outs... Surprise! We haven't seen any improvement in the economy!

I am not sure you read my reply right? I think they money should come to the people in the form of tax breaks and other incentives. Not bailing out huge companies.

If the unemployment benefits stop:

Within a few days we would see people frustrated and complaining about not having money for food, shelter and ways to go look for a job.
A few days after that if they are not able to enroll in welfare you can expect to see lawlessness and a high jump in crimes such as robberies, shoplifting and poverty related crimes.
If at the end of the month, the money is not there, I would expect to see something similar to what we have seen in movies that show us a place were there is no law and everyone has to fight for food, water, medicine and survival stuff.
That would be the worst case scenario.
What would you do if you were not able to find a job and knew that the little money that you have in your pocket is the last money that you will ever have unless something is done?
Knowing that next month you will have to pack your things and will have to find some abandoned building to live in, because all of the shelters will be full with millions of people. The next month if nothing is done you will have a few other thousands of people joining you.

Things can be done to make jobs, the money that we are wasting all around the world can be used to help us out of this and make this a better place, we can make this place a great place to live in, we can, we are able to do it, we have smart people that have solutions to all of these problems, as a matter of fact, some of these solutions have been posted in threads in ATS. We know what has to be done, they know what has to be done as well, but guess what, they don't want what is best for us, they want what is best for them. They will push and push to see how far they can get, little by little they push further and we get used to it.
If you place a frog in a pot of water and slowly turn up the fire, the frog will not know it is being cooked until it sees the water boiling. The bubbles are starting to form under us.

reply to post by Elieser


Thank you for such a good post. I agree with everything you said.

Originally posted by ExPostFacto
There is plenty of money out there. It is just not in the hand of consumers. This is where the rich elite fail. If they take all the money there is nobody left to buy anything from them.

And you dont even have a degree in economics, and you could easily figure this out. Its amazing how often education fails to provide common sense and logic. And how often we forget the lessons of the past.

en.wikipedia.org...

Two economists of the 1920s, Waddill Catchings and William Trufant Foster, popularized a theory that influenced many policy makers, including Herbert Hoover, Henry A. Wallace, Paul Douglas, and Marriner Eccles. It held the economy produced more than it consumed, because the consumers did not have enough income. Thus the unequal distribution of wealth throughout the 1920s caused the Great Depression.[31][32]

According to this view, the root cause of the Great Depression was a global overinvestment in heavy industry capacity compared to wages and earnings from independent businesses, such as farms. The solution was the government must pump money into consumers' pockets. That is, it must redistribute purchasing power, maintain the industrial base, but reinflate prices and wages to force as much of the inflationary increase in purchasing power into consumer spending. The economy was overbuilt, and new factories were not needed. Foster and Catchings recommended[33] federal and state governments start large construction projects, a program followed by Hoover and Roosevelt.

Edit to add,

Perhaps you do have a degree in economics, I didnt mean to presume.

[edit on 28-2-2010 by Illusionsaregrander]

Originally posted by jerico65

Originally posted by silent thunder
So they go to McDonalds and stand in a line with 40 other people for one opening and get rejected because there was only one opening, not 40.

Well, that means at least one person is working.

I know it sucks, I know the pay isn't good, but there are jobs out there. A lot of people out there are "career unemployed".

Ummm hate to break it to you, but a job at McDonalds doesn't count as "working".

20-30 hours a week if you're LUCKY getting paid $5 an hour (after taxes) doesn't go very far. That doesn't really help anybody who has to support themselves (or a family).

That's not really a viable employment option for most people that don't live with their parents.

[edit on 28-2-2010 by seattletruth]

reply to post by Illusionsaregrander


Thank you for your posts with all the info it is great reading and I appreciate it. The past will point the way forward and if it does not you are destined to repeat it again until it does.

Originally posted by seattletruth

The best thing that could happen for America I think would be a war with the Chinese...

It would at least give us manufacturing jobs again...

We would still be spending money we dont have if we went to war. It would cost us trillions to fight them.

If we were going to spend money we didnt have, it would be money wiser spent investing in updating our infrastructure here at home. Rather than giving large percentages of the money begged and borrowed to the military industrial complex who over charge us for everything.

Besides, China is one of our main creditors.

US: "China, hey...pssst. C'mere."

China: "What do you want now, America?"

US: "Well, we want you to buy a trillion dollars more debt from us."

China: "What? Are you frickin kidding me? For what? This better be good...."

US: "We want to start a war to improve our economy."

China: "What? With who?"

US: "Errr mmmm well, you."

China: "HaHaHaHaHa.. "

reply to post by Subjective Truth


I live in a very small town. Over a year ago I was laid off.... I lost my house, my car, and was forced to get a job one state over just to live. After having that job for seven months they closed up. Again I was out of a job. I have worked since I was 15yrs old, and this is the FIRST time I have ever had unemployment. I have been on it 23weeks. I have three weeks left. The few jobs hiring in my area have so many applicants you do not even get an interview. Most of us want to have our jobs back, our lives back, our sleep back.... No extension means to me I have nothing left. After losing my home that I paid a mortage on for years failthfully, my car, I paid faithfully, I moved in with a friend and pay him rent as it is all I can affored. If my money stops I cannot live here for free. I have never been homeless and no idea what to do. I hang on to every dollar I have and have three weeks of checks left. What would you do?

I will look for a link, but today I also read that by June of this year another 5 million peoples' unemployment benefits will run out (unless there is a sudden creation of jobs).

here is one link on this:

money.cnn.com...

We need some big projects and I hope they expand all things "green" and renewable energy sources - the USA needs to be leading on this.

Originally posted by Subjective Truth

Originally posted by whoshotJR

Originally posted by TrainDispatcher
Well, after the 1.2 million people who will loose there benefits tomorrow, (I believe thats correct)

The government will come out and say "Unemployment has dropped tremendously" (has a nice spin to it)

I hope thats the case but it sounds like they are going to extend it again.

Its really BS how many people don't have jobs and will tell you to your face they are just going to milk the system right now.

I think you are wrong I think most Americans want to work. We need to build roads and infrastructure it is the only way other than war.

[edit on 28-2-2010 by Subjective Truth]

You can think I'm wrong all you want but I work for a large company that is currently hiring for multiple jobs that all pay well. We get very few applicants these days. I have gone to job fairs and spoken to people and many out there are doing what is required to keep the checks flowing but not actually want to get a job. Why take a job for less then the 600 bucks a week you can make right now if you were making decent money before?

My little brother is currently milking the system and I have gone out with friends and spoken about this and everyone of us knows people who say the above.

Why would you go find work in a new job you hate if you can make as much or more on unemployment? Sure 28800 not tax isn't a ton but its decent enough if your not doing anything for it.

reply to post by alexgia


I have no idea what to tell you except that I am so sorry to hear how hard it is for you. I dont know what you should do. As hard as it is for people in big towns to find work, I can imagine how hard it must be in small town where competition even for restaurant work must be fierce.

I dont know what religion you are, or if you are at all religious, but what I would do is sit down calmly somewhere quiet, and just breathe for a while, and just allow yourself to be fully aware of your fears and anxiety, rather than try to ignore them Dont THINK about them, just be aware of the feelings themselves, not think about the details of why you feel that way. Often that calms you down. If and when you can get to a calm state, ask that you be shown what to do. And ask that it be clear and unambiguous.

Whether you believe in God, or just a higher self, or your own intuition, for me, often times when I empty myself out a little, and ASK broadly to be shown what to do next, I get an insight. It doesnt always come right away, so after you ask, sincerely, just get up and focus on whatever you would normally need to be doing that day. It sometimes works for me,

I hope it works for you too.

[edit on 28-2-2010 by Illusionsaregrander]

Hope you all have guns I fear you may need them in the near future. desperate people do dumb things like rob people to feed there family. I would sugjest that those of you that need jobs in America either A: join the military thoe we are downsizing right now as we are making recruitment goals and what not. or B: go to a temp agency don't be to proud work is work and if you can get it well good for you anything is better than nothing.
Or you can C: live off the land travel from place to place you would be surprised what kind of awesome food get thrown away fresh bagels from bagel shops and good produce from supermarkets it is crazy, and I would look in to squatter rights in your state to that is an alternative if you find your self homeless just squat a place.

You're right. Trickle down economics is a joke.

Agreed, it's too bad companies are thought to run this way too. It is not the CEO and executives that make a company strong. It's the guy in the trenches working hard for the man, just making his mortgage and feeding his family, that makes a strong business.

Originally posted by alexgia
reply to post by Subjective Truth

 

I have never been homeless and no idea what to do. I hang on to every dollar I have and have three weeks of checks left. What would you do?

Hello,
I feel for you. I've had the rug pulled out from under myself in not so recent past. I lost all except my job. I pitched a tent in a local campground. Bicycled to work, ate once a day. I saved-up for a motel with weekly rates which soon placed me on a friends couch. I wish I had some solid advice for you. If you could find work off the books and room with someone, you'd still be able to eat.
I'd almost suggest you pitch a tent at your local representative's porch/front yard, with news coverage. Ofcourse then you'd wind-up getting arrested for trespassing or whatever they can put on you deflecting the blame away from themselve's. For it is them who are to blame for your predictament, not you or I.

Originally posted by alexgia
reply to post by Subjective Truth

 

I live in a very small town. Over a year ago I was laid off.... I lost my house, my car, and was forced to get a job one state over just to live. After having that job for seven months they closed up. Again I was out of a job. I have worked since I was 15yrs old, and this is the FIRST time I have ever had unemployment. I have been on it 23weeks. I have three weeks left. The few jobs hiring in my area have so many applicants you do not even get an interview. Most of us want to have our jobs back, our lives back, our sleep back.... No extension means to me I have nothing left. After losing my home that I paid a mortage on for years failthfully, my car, I paid faithfully, I moved in with a friend and pay him rent as it is all I can affored. If my money stops I cannot live here for free. I have never been homeless and no idea what to do. I hang on to every dollar I have and have three weeks of checks left. What would you do?

I wish I could help you but my picture is not to pretty either just hang in there. We are Americans and we will again remember what the means. I will pray for you tonight and I wish you the best. And to all of here on ATS we should be thankful for each other. It is always darkest before the dawn you just need to hold on to what is true and right.

reply to post by alexgia


I don't know if you would be able to apply for food stamps or welfare. What I did in the past for money was to go to the "day labor" places were you might get lucky and get a few hours or days of work. I had to rent a place that was paid weekly and had a few roommates in a one bed room studio. Walking a few miles per day to go to work (if I was lucky) was nothing compared to not eating for days and sleeping in abandoned cars or dumpsters with other people. Soup kitchens and looking for food in grocery store dumpsters after they closed was the only food that we could get for days. It can get bad, but if you survive it, you will become stronger.

Edit: I kept applying for jobs and going to the unemployment office and asking the people that I worked for on those days, if they needed someone to work for them permanently. I got a job and right there I started to go to a trade school at night. Little by little I kept going up and learning many other jobs just in case one failed.

[edit on 28-2-2010 by Elieser]

lets see, today is Marz 1st, so its been a Week since Bernanke told the Congress They Had to immediately cut their Deficit Spending !
(implying things such as unemployment benefits, & entitlements like Social Security and Medicaid/Medicare need to be rationed out less freely)


Bernanke, & i guess Geithner and Paulson...all want their million dollar pay for themselves and the clique of corporate bankster elites who are part of the club ! (est. subtotal $9.66 Trillion, in 20 months)


but the measely $100-300 Billion$ for the 'riff-raff' workers in the nation
is deemed 'outlandish, break-the-bank, unwarrented Deficit 'spending'
whereas the high & mighty, monied, class elites outlays are beneficial 'Investments'

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when the subsistance pay ceases, there should be no riots in the streets...
instead lets revisit the tour buses around the fat cats mansions
on free sight-seeing tours.... as was done in Deleware & Conneticut ~2 years ago



reasonable ?

The domino effect.
Financially and emotionally coupled, and to the 180th degree.
Food supply and demand hit first.
Utilities supply and demand hit second.
Arrearages in housing, auto, credit card, and commercial loans.
Repossesions, foreclosures.
Assaults, robberies, break-ins, murders rise.
Suicides, Arsons, family murders.
New Gangs, raids.
Altercations rise between common people and LEO's.
Attacks on wealthy and government.
Fires.
DAY 30.
Bank failures, defaults
unmet calls
Debtor Nations come calling
Chaos
Military action.

SURVIVAL

(add)
please dont underestimate the huge impact that the unemployment benefits bring to our current economy, it should be viewed as its own industry now.



[edit on 28-2-2010 by HappilyEverAfter]

reply to post by HappilyEverAfter


Good God man you posts scare the crap out of me!!!!!!!! But thanks it is a pleasure to see you post in my thread. And I love your avatar it is not as cool as mine but close.

If welfare stops, I guess casinos will ask for a bailout. Isn't that where welfare recipients spend their money anyway? That and Wallyworld.

[edit on 28-2-2010 by ivorywire]