Is religion the number 1 killer of all time?

The only way for humanity to progress is to break the bonds between church,government and the money system.


Only one thing could possibly change this situation,a disclosure that undermines ALL RELIGONS AT THE SAME TIME.

Either JESUS RETURNS HIMSELF and even then we know what clones are,and starts kicking arse on all the corruptors of his word to fix the lies or another more scientific truth about our origins must be presented to all of humanity concurrently to change our CUMULATIVE GROUP PERSPECTIVE OR REALITY AT ONE TIME OR MOMENT.

because we must progress or disappear,we can choose which of these two we think will happen or offer another solution that accomplishes the same goal.But one thing is certain,mankind will progress and move forward.

Which means we must leave religon behind us one way or the other and seeing as church and government and money are all related ,common sense tells us that ALL MUST CHANGE AND BECOME HONEST IF POSSIBLE OR THESE IDEAS WILL SIMPLY DISAPPEAR.

reply to post by Lilitu


Yes but in a way atheists are never short of a fervour that is superficially similar to that of the religious obsessive type of personality. Atheists get particulalry fervent over religions.

You have reached the golden moment ,you see contrary to what most of us are taught ,EVERYONE CANT BE RIGHT.And the sweetest thing of all is that in the real world NUMBERS AND VOTES DONT MATTER.Only one perspective will prevail in the future.

You see it isnt as you say,you were taught that there are people who believe in god and people who dont and that is ok because everyone has a right to believe what they choose.

You are wrong on step one,humanitys needs supercede the individuals needs therefore EVERYONE CANNOT BE RIGHT,in fact everyone must sacrifice their personal perspectives in favor of a group humanitarian perspective.
Everyone DOES NOT HAVE A RIGHT TO PROPOGATE PERSONALLY MOTIVATED SELFISH NON-HUMANITARIAN PERSPECTIVES OR REALITIES.
So you see the religous perspective must in an evolutionary sense disappear and relatively soon.


The only way religons can claim a right to exist is at the cost of HUMANITYS future through the corruption and manipulation of the reality that humans live in on a real time basis.


Everyone cant be right and unfortunately all hands point at all religons being wrong,period.As I said we all cant be right in the future,we can agree to accept each others perspectives cooperatively today BUT WE BOTH KNOW DARN WELL THAT IN THE FUTURE ONE OF US WILL BE WRONG.

[edit on 5-3-2010 by one4all]

Originally posted by one4all
Xtrozero,you show me one single religon in the history of mankind that hasnt had a FISCAL COMPONENT OR CONNECTION OR POWER OF SOME KIND and I will consider your perspective,but as history tells us you cant find an uncorrupted religon in mankinds history,you better believe wars created jobs a couple thousand years ago just like today,but my friend there were ALWAYS religous maniacs "directing the powers that be or were" IN THE NAME OF A DIVINE ENTITY of one type or another.

So you are saying that Stalin killed 10s of millions in the name of the lord?
China let 100 million die of starvation to that they could put all their energies into building up their industrial age is religious based? How many people are in prison for crimes that their religion told them to do?

Do you really think that religion drives the desires and personal interest of man? I would say the vast majority of the time religion is fighting against what man wants to do. Are the warlords of Dufar killing, starving and enslaving millions because of their religious beliefs and what those beliefs are tell them to do?

You dont get off the hook that easy,you are trying to split hairs,religon by the virtue of its very nature and existance is directly responsible for ALL of the deaths you listed and as I said until you seperate the church and MONEY you will continue to split hairs.And religon will continue to be the number one killer of humanity starting with the first smart arse caveman who lied to another caveman about the imaginary GOD or POWER that gave him fire or a better food or 'LED THEM' to a better hunting ground or safe area and then PARLAYED that little bluff into a winning hand by becoming a PRIEST or a CHIEF,hence power,hence deception,hence the beginning of the end of this particular direction in this post.Because sooner or later some ....snip

I think you just want to simplify all this into one scapegoat, and I don't find things that simple.

I also think you just simply hate religion, and you don't really need a logical reason why since by your view everything evil in the world is based on religion.



[edit on 5-3-2010 by Xtrozero]

Etrozero,you are starting to get it a little at a time.

It is because of the allowance of the existance of religons that seperate humanitys common perspective or reality that these atrocities are allowed to happen.

If it wasnt for the regional borders and countries that existed WHICH ARE ALL BACKED AND SUPPORTED AT A GRASSROOTS LEVEL BY THE RELIGONS THAT EXIST AND ARE SUPPORTED BY THE PEOPLE IRREGARDLESS OF DENOMINATION WITHIN THEM, THESE THINGS COULDNT HAPPEN .

Simply because there would be NO MORE COUNTRIES and only one global perspective or reality.

Each of these religons is like a seperate little salesman that creates a seperate and unique reality or perspective by their actions.

The ability of these little salesmen to do business is what hurts humanity,but shop is about to close as we get nearer to a one world government or democracy.

At which point in time we will all be on the same page pulling only for each other on this little rock,AND WE WILL NO LONGER NEED ANY RELIGONS TO DIVIDE US.

Actually the day each human on earth has an equal voice in a global democracy or perspective or reality,RELIGONS WILL DISAPPEAR IMMEDIATLY AS A NATURAL EVOLUTION OF HUMANITY NOT AS AN ACT OF DISMANTELLING .

Is this helpful?

It is precisly BECAUSE RELIGONS ARE ALLOWED TO EXIST THAT WE KILL EACH OTHER .

A global democracy instantly replaces ALL RELIGONS ON EARTH AT THE SAME TIME.

Anything less than a global democracy or perspective AND WE WILL ALLOW LITTLE CRACKS FOR THE RELIGOUS SALESMEN TO SET UP SHOP IN AND THE KILLING WILL CONTINUE.

Salesmen work in the realm of information and communication,the internet has changed the environment so drasticlly that religons are rolling over like the dinosaurs.

Humanity cannot be manipulated within the confines of information or data delivery time lapses any more.We all recieve THE SAME INFORMATION IN REAL TIME SO THERE IS NO PLACE FOR THE SALESMAN TO EXIST IN.


One voice,one global democracy,every human on earth with an equal vote,this isnt undoable in fact it isnt that hard we just need the right person to start the ball rolling .If they can evade religous persecution that is.

[edit on 8-3-2010 by one4all]

Originally posted by one4all
It is precisly BECAUSE RELIGONS ARE ALLOWED TO EXIST THAT WE KILL EACH OTHER .

A global democracy instantly replaces ALL RELIGONS ON EARTH AT THE SAME TIME.

Anything less than a global democracy or perspective AND WE WILL ALLOW LITTLE CRACKS FOR THE RELIGOUS SALESMEN TO SET UP SHOP IN AND THE KILLING WILL CONTINUE.

Salesmen work in the realm of information and communication,the internet has changed the environment so drasticlly that religons are rolling over like the dinosaurs.

Humanity cannot be manipulated within the confines of information or data delivery time lapses any more.We all recieve THE SAME INFORMATION IN REAL TIME SO THERE IS NO PLACE FOR THE SALESMAN TO EXIST IN.


One voice,one global democracy,every human on earth with an equal vote,this isnt undoable in fact it isnt that hard we just need the right person to start the ball rolling .If they can evade religous persecution that is.

[edit on 8-3-2010 by one4all]

Though I agree that a man will kill another man because of religion I also understand that a man will kill another man to eat. Survival is what it is. On the other side can humans be human without religion? Religion good or bad can just be an affect from our unique ability to understand and think in abstract concepts. To remove religion we would need to remove that one ability that makes humans human.

I dont need to kill people in the name of an imaginary god TO HAVE AN IMAGINATION.

Humanity needs to socialise and to gather in groups to comfort our natural needs,to feel protected and validated.

Religon ORIGINALLY SERVED THIS PURPOSE,until one smarty pants figured out how to make people bring him coconuts because god said so.God at that time was the natural forces of nature,these natural occurances were described and explained in language and the fun began because that is when the wholesale manipulation and lieing began.

Religon is a gathering instinct,and we kill each other to protect that instinct.

A one world democracy would render ALL RELIGONS OBSOLETE THE VERY MOMENT THE MECHANISM FOR EACH HUMAN ON EARTH TO HAVE AN EQUAL REAL TIME VOTE IN HUMANITIES FUTURE IS IN PLACE VIA THE INTERNET OR WHATEVER MEDIA WORKS.


The moment it is in place my friends,and the internet has begun the process already.

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Imagine a future in which the whole of the human race has devolved into a bland pop "culture". We'll spend our days lounging around watching TV stations that all force feed us the same mindless trash, interspersed with advertisements for more shiny plastic objects that we don't need. The environment will by now be raped and desolate so that few crops will grow, but while half the planet's species may be extinct, that's OK: the natural food sources can be replaced by dangerous chemicals, and nature is boring anyways. Your job will probably be stale and pointless repetition, but if you keep at it long enough you'll be able to save up for another impressive piece of plastic. This is only a small sample of this what such a diseased society could offer, for societies that become corrupt and deluded always have - and always will - meet unpleasant fates.

In this kind of future, what use will we have for words such as "pride", "spirit", "art", or "transcendence"? None. But this nightmare is only a possibility; a prediction of future hell that can be avoided. We can't truly say what will happen, but we can clearly see that the current course of the human race is undesirable, and we can attempt to change that.

Globalism is motivated by finance, and justified on the surface by the same kind of arbitrary absolute abstractions this user displays. No culture can encompass all motifs, or it is not a culture: culture is made from a values system that has a preference for some things over another; it is for this reason that we have cultures at all, and not a single culture based on a single interpretation of the same world. What will exist instead is the cultureless masses ruled over by a few rich, because in the absence of culture, only financial supremacy will matter.

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Sounds like you are just looking for rags against religion. Thats ok I spose.

But really hands down its nationalism and tribalism, empire and wars of unification, political iedologies, powerfull insane dictators, land ect. Religion has had its mouments but its way down the list numbers wise.

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Nationalism is not racism: Nationalism is the belief that populations united by language, cultural values and heritage are the only sane way to organize civilizations. As such, it excludes not only people of other ethnicities to an indigenous population, but those of that heritage who do not uphold those cultural values. (We expect these people will start civilizations of their own, based on the cosmopolitan values that seem common to mixed-ethnic populations, much as long ago the Semitic tribes of the middle east arose at the intersection of trade routes).

Originally posted by one4all
The only way for humanity to progress is to break the bonds between church,government and the money system.


Only one thing could possibly change this situation,a disclosure that undermines ALL RELIGONS AT THE SAME TIME.


because we must progress or disappear,we can choose which of these two we think will happen or offer another solution that accomplishes the same goal.But one thing is certain,mankind will progress and move forward.

Which means we must leave religon behind us one way or the other and seeing as church and government and money are all related ,common sense tells us that ALL MUST CHANGE AND BECOME HONEST IF POSSIBLE OR THESE IDEAS WILL SIMPLY DISAPPEAR.

I don't completely agree with you there. I have a religion that does not rely on the book. All that needs to be done is to rewrite the bibles, Korans etc. Preaching hatred and holocaust denial is actually illegal in many countries.

All we need to do is to make it plain that anyone preaching their religion as that of the chosen people will be put in jail. The Xtians claim their god willgo to heaven and damn all other religions, tghe moslems do the same as do the jews. How can ll of them be correct? How can their not be religious wars??

A global democracy that by its very existence renders religons and currency or money based systems obsolete,being rich will not be possible or in any way useful to you because no matter how smarty pants you are you cant swindle anyone elses share and your smarty arse isnt any smarter than anyone elses so you simply arent worth in any way more than any other person on the planet.

Not sure where you get all the pollution and evil stuff from ,I see the opposite,a lot of our damaging progress was motivated by greed which is a result of money which will be gone.

I dont advocate a loss of colour in our world,in fact the opposite A DEMOCRACY BY ITS VERY NATURE PRESERVES THE INDIVIDUALS RIGHT TO BE RECOGNISED.


A global democracy just eliminates profiteering at the cost of humanity,no wages ,no money ,no manipulation,everyones time is equally valuable planetwide,we all work for a global goal of equalisation of living conditions and preservation of the planet with an ultimate goal of furthering of our species.


A lot of sad rich people and a lot of happy regular people.

No more religon as we have known it,no money for the church,no power of any kind at all.

No more regional wars because there are no more bickering governments all fighting to see who is strong enough to prove they should lead the world.


No more nuclear weapons because there is no one to fight.

No reason to kill.

Someone start a website ,call it REGENESIS,and lets start doing a global census.You see how easy it is,OR ISNT.

Ask yourself really why it isnt,then find someone you know and tell em to start a website as soon as possible.

reply to post by one4all


Democratic societies start with good intentions but rapidly degrade to selfishness. The vector of choice is the individual, and individuals become accustomed to being fooled by their leaders and the lobbies that oligarchs covertly establish, and for that reason shrug and start acting for their own interests. Society becomes a marketplace of individual material interest. At this point, every known avenue for "the common good" has become corrupt and so people give up on it, and then forget they've given up. They labor in a negativity of outlook brightened only by the thought of personal material acquisition. This enables society to decay until it is near third-world levels of disorganization and criminality and corruption, at which point a "strong leader" - inevitably a front man for some oligarch or another - steps in and leads it to a final state where a few avaricious parasites rule over a horde of confused, simplistic, dumb people.

The enemy of such decline is culture, because where cultural values exist, people can point to a common good that is independent of all political parties. Culture is the philosophy of a people. When that population sees a proposed action conflicting with its cultural values, it can deny that action on the basis of it violating the basic creed of a society. Naturally, a pluralistic society has no common creed and is easier to rule, and for this reason all democracies oppose the existence of anything but pluralistic democracies worldwide. End-stage democracies of this type are called "liberal" democracies, because while they may have putatively conservative leaders, the underlying assumption of the society is liberal.

That assumption takes many forms but all originate in the root of utilitarianism as interpreted through the assent of the majority: the individual as a vector of self-interest making society work together. Adam Smith's "invisible hand" that he presupposed guides capitalism toward good fits into this category, as do the concepts of anarchism and libertarianism, its conservative variant. Materialism arises through a lack of common values; humanism addresses the fears of the individual; egalitarianism insulates the individual against any sense that this order is insane; capitalism is created by democracies to empower individual material self-interest; and moralism results as a device to construe any who do not agree as "evil" so the majority will agree to war against them.

Utilitarian and democratic societies are psychologically unhealthy. They enforce a normative, or averaging, impulse on the citizen, because a crowd fears nothing more than those who might rise above it. Further, by encouraging people to see only personal interest, they alienate those same people from the world around them and confine them to small bubbles of personal want and fear. We feel best when we can both give and receive, because it connects us to a larger process than ourselves, and therefore we avoid neurosis and self-doubt because we have a more realistic view of where we fit. The only antidote to democracy is an organic society unified by one cultural values system and ruled by leaders selected for competence and not popularity.

These are all wonderful but archaic ideals.The recent advent of the internet has forever changed the path of humanity.

We cannot try to apply these concepts as we have in the past,not at all.

We must view EVERYTHING WE CONCIEVE OF FROM A GLOBAL DEMOCRACY PERSPECTIVE ,for the simple reason that we all have an equal right a say in the path of our species and an equal right to our share of global resources,it is a crime against humanity for one man to posess more material goods than another man UNLESS ALL OF HIS ENERGYS ARE DEVOTED TO EQUALISING HIS PRESENT STATE WITH THAT OF HUMANITY AS A WHOLE.

In other words the only way you get the good stuff is if you are contributing a greater amount towards the global humanitarian equalisation effort than others and even at that we are talking functional things that constitute more than your share,not personal posessions or material things.

It isnt quite so complicated in fact a lot of those ideas were motivated or created by fiscal obsession,these ideas were all created from within a reaslity revolving around money and at there very cores they are WRONG.


We need to reassess from a global perspective and create new ideologies based on this reality,we cant avoid it.

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Yes, yes,....I was talking about extream...like Nazi German the quest for super race, all others dig ditches or worse ect....primary race. Where did you get that definition of nationalism UNICEF?


[edit on 10-3-2010 by Logarock]

reply to post by one4all


Talk about archaic, these ideas of yours simply sound like a candy coated new aged Marxian spin.

But if your saying why should a nation somewhere suffer starvation then yes we should help. Diging wells helping with new agriculteral ideas, build power plants ect we have been doing that for years to some degree.

Not we should help my friend,a global democracy that everyone has to join,you dont get to choose to help because your country doesnt own anything on the planet and neither do you,the planets resources all belong to humanity in equal proportions and our only goal in our lives is to forge ahead and create a world where there is true equality.


You see the concept that you have the power to CHOOSE to help or NOT help is insane.You were born with an obligation to spend your entire life helping others .

I am well aware that nuclear weapons make it seem like you have a choice but the day is soon coming when even that wont be enough.

Simply put if the ten largest countries joined their military forces unilaterally in the name of humanitarian democracy they could enforce the only measure that will save us from selfdestruction.A global democracy.Each country willing to subscribe immediatly becomes an absolutely equal partner in the democracy.Yes there is a battle for everything isnt there??

Did anyone think Ghandi or Jesus would save us,we need to abolish this nonsense kick some arse into line and give everyone an equal vote.

Think religous crusade in REVERSE call a HUMANITARIAN CRUSADE IN THE NAME OF OUR SPECIES.

These ten countries if they could create a global democracy would render religon and money obsolete,being rich would not serve you personally and 90|% of crime would disappear overnight.


A global democracy eliminates war,hunger ,religons and regional governments.

Sounds like progress to me.

I am not talking unicef here I am saying total equality,you lose your retirement and your savings account overnight.


You wake up one morning and on the news and radio you are told you dont need money anymore you are supposed to just give your services to everyone ALL AT ONCE.


Why wouldnt this transition be seamless??Just go to the store get your food and dont worry.The truck that delivers it gets free fuel and maintenance and the driver is free because he doesnt need any money because EVERYONE LOSES THE MONEY AT ONCE.


We should never ever posess or control more than our share of the planets resources and that means all the real nice stuff.


This would just jolt greedy buggers wouldnt it?Every scam artist revealed at once.How many things would we simply reject if others were free?Our manufacturing diversity would instantly be reduced in a major reconstructive step towards recovering our environment..