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Originally posted by Beancounter72
reply to post by Mr_skepticc
You're saying that terrible things happened in those camps and I've never argued otherwise. But evidence that some people were killed in horrible ways does not prove that 6,000,000 were.
Originally posted by Sharrow
Originally posted by mmiichael
Reasonable people largely don't respond to this Jew hatred trying to mask itself as historical inquiry.
I don't see any Jew hatred here at all. A Jewish scholar said this in the Toronto Star's article. So please tell me, where is the Jew hatred here at all? I'm and also the others are just curious, how is this possible that even a scholar who is teaching the Holocaust, who is expert in the Holocaust is saying this that even THEY CAN'T PROVE the 99% of the Holocaust at all.
[edit on 6-1-2010 by Sharrow]
In the successful defence of Deborah Lipstadt, van Pelt was one of the four internationally distinguished Holocaust historians who served as expert witnesses, and he defended the 770 page report he produced during five days of cross-examination.
There is no misinformation, rather he is trying to misinform us. Look after Van Pelt. He is a Holocaust expert regarding the present knowledge.
So, are you saying that the Ops whole thread is based on misinformation? Because, that is what I am getting from your statement. I'm shocked - not.
Originally posted by ancient_wisdom
Originally posted by GorehoundLarry
Thought I'd add: A good amount of deaths of Jews in concentration camps were caused by disease, not executions. When you have large amounts of prisoners living in severe conditions, there are going to be negative results.
The concentration camps make more sense seen as a disinfectant camp.
You get your head shaved at a disinfectant camp for lice, not at a gas chamber (why shave your head?)
There were claims that the Jewish hair was used to make mattresses for German women, but yet the hair is still at the concentration camps to this day.
Zyklon B gas was used, at the delousing chamber to delouse the cloths so they would not spread disease. The walls have high Zyklon B residue, which is why the camps had so many canisters of Zyklon B, the gas chambers themselves have no such residue.
There were many nurses that worked at the concentration camps, which would make more sense for a disinfectant camp and not a gas chamber.
I believe the concentration camps had rampant disease and were most likely cut off from essential supplies. Over 50 million people died in world war 2, clearly a banker caused war, and most of the bankers were Jewish, yet none of them died in the Holocaust. They used the Holocaust as a cover, because they were afraid people were onto their little conspiracy, and so Truth telling became Anti-Semitic. Just my personal take on the history of World War 2.
I have been to Poland and have seen Auschwitz and Berkenau where the actual killings took place.
SKL's Amazon Review :
This book is quite literally a tell all of all the names of who financed Adolph Hitler's rise to power by financial means.
The man didn't get into power just by his lies, but by lies of other men too, the men with power, with money, and influence, and the access to Wall Street.
You would be surprised to see the names within this book that financed "the funny little man, with the funny little mustache" that almost took over the entire world.
I will not ruin the book for you by telling all the names in it, but I will tell you two men's name I know you will instantly recognize.
Henry Ford & Edsel Ford.
Yes, those "Ford's", from Ford Motor Company.
Henry Ford even got the highest award the Nazi's could give to a foreigner, in recognition of his assistance to Adolph Hitler, and his picture hung in Hitler's office.
Just so you know, I am not a fan of the Nazi's, nor am I a racist of any kind, nor a fan of Adolph Hitler.
I'm following a papertrail to find out all the names of who helped the man get into power to begin with, because I am someone who knows there's more to history than what they teach you in school.
It doesn't just come down to the lies a politician tells the people who put them in office, but to the power-brokers who finance the man.
Adolph Hitler was a politician, plain and simple.
He knew how to lie to the people and give them comfort through manipulative persuasion and then when the people willingly gave him the power he went for the throat of the world.
Another good book that tells the details of who assisted Hitler that you may be able to find here on Amazon is, "IBM and the Holocaust."
Yes, I am talking about that "IBM" here too.
They helped Hitler track down the Jews and other "undesirables" (Hitler's words, not Mine) through the use of the census and the Hollerith Card Sorting Machine.
Amazon Review :
Was IBM, "The Solutions Company," partly responsible for the Final Solution?
That's the question raised by Edwin Black's IBM and the Holocaust, the most controversial book on the subject since Daniel Jonah Goldhagen's Hitler's Willing Executioners.
Black, a son of Holocaust survivors, is less tendentiously simplistic than Goldhagen, but his thesis is no less provocative: he argues that IBM founder Thomas Watson deserved the Merit Cross (Germany's second-highest honor) awarded him by Hitler, his second-biggest customer on earth.
"IBM, primarily through its German subsidiary, made Hitler's program of Jewish destruction a technologic mission the company pursued with chilling success," writes Black.
"IBM had almost single-handedly brought modern warfare into the information age [and] virtually put the 'blitz' in the krieg."
The crucial technology was a precursor to the computer, the IBM Hollerith punch card machine, which Black glimpsed on exhibit at the U.S. Holocaust Museum, inspiring his five-year, top-secret book project.
The Hollerith was used to tabulate and alphabetize census data.
Black says the Hollerith and its punch card data ("hole 3 signified homosexual ... hole 8 designated a Jew") was indispensable in rounding up prisoners, keeping the trains fully packed and on time, tallying the deaths, and organizing the entire war effort.
Hitler's regime was fantastically, suicidally chaotic; could IBM have been the cause of its sole competence: mass-murdering civilians?
Better scholars than I must sift through and appraise Black's mountainous evidence, but clearly the assessment is overdue.
The moral argument turns on one question:
How much did IBM New York know about IBM Germany's work, and when?
Black documents a scary game of brinksmanship orchestrated by IBM chief Watson, who walked a fine line between enraging U.S. officials and infuriating Hitler.
He shamefully delayed returning the Nazi medal until forced to--and when he did return it, the Nazis almost kicked IBM and its crucial machines out of Germany.
(Hitler was prone to self-defeating decisions, as demonstrated in How Hitler Could Have Won World War II.)
Black has created a must-read work of history.
But it's also a fascinating business book examining the colliding influences of personality, morality, and cold strategic calculation.
--Tim Appelo
SKL's Amazon Review :
This book was recommended by someone I respect very much.
It was definately an interesting look into the planting, hunting, and detention of the German spies before, during, and after World War II.
The Double-Cross system was also informative as well, and the games that spies on all sides played in order to make certain their side won were informative and interesting.
Some of the things that were done were quite simple and some were extremely difficult and diverse.
It was definately worth purchasing and I only wish I had heard of the book sooner than last year.
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Originally posted by whitewave
Originally posted by bigyin
The evidence for deaths due to malnutrition and disease is growing, despite attempts to silence the doubters.
What I would like to know from 'those who were there' (and there seems to be loads of holocaust survivors about) is whether they agree that some people died in ways other than being murdered.
And could they break it down for us, the number murdered is 6 million we've already been told that, but how many died from other causes?
Does it really matter if they died from malnutrition, starvation, disease, or were worked to death and keeled over from exhaustion? !!!!!! So if they weren't gunned down and sprayed with cyanide in a shower stall their deaths are a lie? What are you saying? What are you implying?
These are people that died due to an oppressive government even though they had committed no crimes worthy of death. If there were 6 million or "just" 6, it's too many.
Originally posted by 4nsicphd
Originally posted by ancient_wisdom
Originally posted by GorehoundLarry
Thought I'd add: A good amount of deaths of Jews in concentration camps were caused by disease, not executions. When you have large amounts of prisoners living in severe conditions, there are going to be negative results.
The concentration camps make more sense seen as a disinfectant camp.
You get your head shaved at a disinfectant camp for lice, not at a gas chamber (why shave your head?)
There were claims that the Jewish hair was used to make mattresses for German women, but yet the hair is still at the concentration camps to this day.
Zyklon B gas was used, at the delousing chamber to delouse the cloths so they would not spread disease. The walls have high Zyklon B residue, which is why the camps had so many canisters of Zyklon B, the gas chambers themselves have no such residue.
There were many nurses that worked at the concentration camps, which would make more sense for a disinfectant camp and not a gas chamber.
I believe the concentration camps had rampant disease and were most likely cut off from essential supplies. Over 50 million people died in world war 2, clearly a banker caused war, and most of the bankers were Jewish, yet none of them died in the Holocaust. They used the Holocaust as a cover, because they were afraid people were onto their little conspiracy, and so Truth telling became Anti-Semitic. Just my personal take on the history of World War 2.
And your personal take is a page full of nauseating crap. I have been to Poland and have seen Auschwitz and Berkenau where the actual killings took place.
Originally posted by Sharrow
reply to post by 4nsicphd
I have been to Poland and have seen Auschwitz and Berkenau where the actual killings took place.
No offense, but maybe you saw what they wanted you to see.
[edit on 6-1-2010 by Sharrow]