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Originally posted by gimme_some_truth
Originally posted by blind.face
Now that I think about it.. there is no 'actual truth'.. only an established consensus that has been formed and called the truth.
Why is 2+2=4? Because we were taught that? Is 2+2 really 4, or is it the consensus of the masses that accept the answer? We say, therefore it is..
Truth is definition, and definition is created. Now I really have myself confused.
I see what you are getting at but I think perhaps your confusion lies in the difference between facts and truths.
There was something I said in a threa once that may help clear up your confusion.
" Years ago it was fact that the earth was flat,and that it was the center of the universe. Now we know better though. Facts change, the truth stays the same."
You see even though it was considered fact that the earth was flat and the center of the universe, the truth was always that the earth is round and no where near the center of the universe.
Does that make sense?
Originally posted by gimme_some_truth
I like the phrase "the truth is out there" too, however I find your phrase " the truth is in here" to be more accurate, because I believe the truth lies within us all, somewhere, some how....
Originally posted by gimme_some_truth
what confuses me though is fact or truth being made up by a series of words.. words have definition, but are they truth. At some point.. there was no definition, therefore I wonder if our definitions are true. We have created and established truth through our understanding. 'created'..
After a while I started thinking about which comes with more wisdom Losing an illusion/falsehood or gaining a truth?
Originally posted by Skyfloating
reply to post by gimme_some_truth
Yes but meanwhile I slightly prefer the "loosing an illusion" way of going about it...after spending decades thinking I have to learn, gain, learn, gain, etc. You seem to be coming into a similar mood.
Originally posted by gimme_some_truth
reply to post by Estess
I didnt say anyone had to choose one or the other I asked what they thought of each and even left open the possibility of them being one and the same. In other words, was asking what people thought of each one possbility and what makes more sense to them. I was not asking which was correct. If I did that I would not find the answer because questions such as these are so open to interpretation that right or wrong is not really a factor.
I agree with what you are saying but the reason we are getting so many different asnwers is because I left it open for people to give their own opinion. Is one better than the other? Are they the same? Why do you think so, what do you think it means to find a truth or lose an illusion and all that good stuff.
[edit on 16-5-2009 by gimme_some_truth]
Originally posted by Estess
Thruth is in reality perceived as such by the individual in accordance to his own belief system. Everything is relative; it's not like you can just gain truth as in ultimate and "true" truth.
Truth and Illusion are just two faces of the same body.
Analogically, to quote Shakespear:
"There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so".
I can certainly see what you are getting at with perception as perception plays a huge roll in life. If it is my perception that the earth is flat ( alot of peoples perception 500 years ago) does that make it so?
Originally posted by gimme_some_truth
reply to post by maria_stardust
I can certainly see what you are getting at with perception as perception plays a huge roll in life. If it is my perception that the earth is flat ( alot of peoples perception 500 years ago) does that make it so?