Major 9/11 Breakthrough in Japan

reply to post by CityIndian

Ok. On that point all I can say is, my bad. It's become reflex.

Originally posted by Mintwithahole.
I find it the ultimate irony that a politician from a country which, in the WW2, routinely had it's kamikaze pilots fly it's planes into American ships killing brave seamen should stand up and speak out about 9/11 where terrorists flew planes into American landmark buildings. . !

"Go figure. . . "

LOL.
Shame on me for not picking up on that.
People are strange and life is wierd.

reply to post by notreallyalive


I too would like to see some citations.

Originally posted by Udanax
reply to post by vox2442

 

I have greater concern about the disinformation and heavily redacted information being distributed in American textbooks. Too many Americans of all ages are disastrously ignorant of important events in our own history.

Agreed, and we don't have to look further than the "The 9/11 Big Book of Coverup" (formally known as the "Final Report of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States") for an example.

The government vehemently opposed a public enquiry into 9/11. When its hand was forced it assembled the apparatus for a huge whitewash to be headed originally by Henry Kissinger and, when that failed, Philip Zelikow.

Bush and Cheney refused to testify under oath to their own Commission, and insisted upon speaking only in private, off the record while in each other's presence.

Now we learn more about how testimony was received:

The memo, entitled “Executive Branch Minders’ Intimidation of Witnesses,” complains that:

* Minders “answer[ed] questions directed at witnesses;”
* Minders acted as “monitors, reporting to their respective agencies on Commission staffs lines of inquiry and witnesses’ verbatim responses.” The staff thought this “conveys to witnesses that their superiors will review their statements and may engage in retribution;” and
* Minders “positioned themselves physically and have conducted themselves in a manner that we believe intimidates witnesses from giving full and candid responses to our questions.”

The memo was drafted by three staffers on the commission’s Team 2, which reviewed the overall structure of the US intelligence community. One of the drafters was Kevin Scheid, a senior staffer who led the team. His co-writers were Lorry Fenner, an air force intelligence officer, and lawyer Gordon Lederman. The complaint was sent to the commission’s counsels, Daniel Marcus and Steve Dunne, in October 2003, about halfway through the commission’s 19-month life.

Newly Released Memo: Government ‘Minders’ at 9/11 Commission Interviews ‘Intimidated’ Witnesses

9/11 Commission suspected that critical information was the product of torture: 9/11 Commission controversy MSMBC.com January 30, 2008

No mention of the destruction of WTC 7.

Mineta’s Presidential Emergency Operations Center (PEOC) testimony was edited out of the 9/11 Commission video archive.

No mention of Able Danger: 'Able Danger' Could Rewrite History Fox News August 12, 2005

No details about who traded in the Put Options.

The following Veteran National Security experts were turned away, ignored, or censored by the 9/11 Commission, even though they had direct and relevant information related to the Commission’s investigation:

John M. Cole, Former Veteran Intelligence Operations Specialist; FBI
John Vincent, Retired Special Agent, Counterterrorism; FBI
Robert Wright, Veteran Special Agent, Counterterrorism; FBI
Sibel Edmonds, Former Language Specialist; FBI
Behrooz Sarshar, Former Language Specialist; FBI
Mike German, Special Agent, Counterterrorism; FBI
Gilbert Graham, Retired Special Agent, Counterintelligence; FBI
Coleen Rowley, Retired Division Counsel; FBI
Lieutenant Colonel Anthony Shaffer, DIA
Dick Stoltz, Retired Special Agent; ATF
Bogdan Dzakovic, Former Red Team Leader; FAA
Linda Lewis, Retired Emergency Programs Specialist; USDA
Mark Burton, Senior Analyst; NSA
The 9/11 Commission: A Play on Nothing in Three Acts

9/11 Commission Report bars 503 1st responder eyewitnesses:


[edit on 27-4-2009 by EvilAxis]

Originally posted by SuperViking
People still believe this 9/11 inside job nonsense?!

Originally posted by SuperViking
reply to post by drwizardphd

 

What do you mean 'somebody'? 99.99% of people believe the truth.

Are you shore about what you saying here, because if I understand it correctly, this poll below shows quite another story.
But perhaps you know of a more recent poll that I have missed.

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Americans Question Bush on 9/11 Intelligence
October 14, 2006

Polling Data

When it comes to what they knew prior to September 11th, 2001, about possible terrorist attacks against the United States, do you think members of the Bush Administration are telling the truth, are mostly telling the truth but hiding something, or are they mostly lying.

............................Oct. 2006.......May 2002
Telling the truth..........16%............21%
Hiding something........53%............65%
Mostly lying................28%.............8%
Not sure.....................3%...............6%

Source: The New York Times / CBS News

www.angus-reid.com...

What could be wrong when a man, like in this case councillor Yukihisa Fujita, member of the Japan Parliament is searching for the truth regarding some important issues of 911?

For those interested in this matter are here some video’s [with translations] of councillor Yukihisa Fujita speaking at the Japan Parliament.

www.youtube.com...






[edit on 27/4/09 by spacevisitor]

Originally posted by rapinbatsisaltherage

Originally posted by SuperViking
reply to post by drwizardphd

 

What do you mean 'somebody'? 99.99% of people believe the truth.

According to a July 2006 poll conducted by Scripps News Service, one-third of Americans think the government either carried out the 9/11 attacks or intentionally allowed them to happen in order to provide a pretext for war in the Middle East (a.k.a. a false flag operation). According to a May 2006 poll, 42% of Americans feel there is a cover-up regarding 9/11. According to an October 2006 Angus Reid poll, 53% of Americans feel the Bush administration is hiding information regarding the 9/11 attacks , and thousands of Americans have signed a petition for a new probe.
bogusstory.com...

A new global poll conducted across 17 countries has found that less than half of those surveyed believe Al-Qaeda was behind the 9/11 attacks, with a full 15 per cent believing that the terrorist outrage was directly perpetrated by the U.S. government.www.prisonplanet.com...

Sorry I couldn’t find more recent polls but you are way off.

Originally posted by secretagent woooman
Japan's interest in this matter is odd because their school textbooks teach that Japan won World War II and their war monuments claim they defeated the Allies. Why they have invested so much time and energy in this matter is a mystery but at least they are doing something productive.

This site sums up what my friend learned in Japan, ten years ago.

www.japan-guide.com...

I wouldn’t be surprised if the history is a bit skewed though, just like the American history taught to American students.

Edit: Grammar


[edit on 27-4-2009 by rapinbatsisaltherage]

served.
if it isnt obvious by now that there isnt something wrong about that horrible day to some people than they never will realize.

Originally posted by drwizardphd

Originally posted by SuperViking
People still believe this 9/11 inside job nonsense?!

People still believe this official NIST 9/11 story nonsense?

See, I can say stupid things too. Address some of the massive inconsistencies in the official story, such as the fine points brought up by Mr. Fujita, and maybe somebody will take your argument seriously.

The Bush administration told us that they do not torture. Then that it was a few bad apples. Then that they got great intelligence.

The rationale and legal justifications to pretend to not know this was illegal, game almost a year after the program started.

The NSA was pervasively spying on Americans and political opponents BEFORE 9/11.

This is interesting;
SOURCE:

"For five years, I was the poster child for President Bush's retaliation against Americans who opposed his War Policy in Iraq. In March, 2004 the Justice Department indicted me for acting as an "unregistered Iraqi Agent" (not espionage), because I delivered a prescient letter to my second cousin, Andy Card, former Chief of Staff to President Bush, warning of the dire consequences of War.

"More dangerously, I had decided to talk. In February, 2004 I approached the senior staff of Senators Trent Lott and John McCain and asked to testify in front of the new blue ribbon Presidential Commission on Iraqi Pre-War Intelligence. Within a month, I was astounded to wake up one morning to hear FBI agents pounding on the door of my house in Maryland with an arrest warrant.

"The indictment called me "Symbol Susan." It was a bizarre notation unsupported by any evidence or action in the indictment. It did however have one crucial purpose?to communicate a warning that anybody breaking ranks from the Bush White House should expect to be brutally crushed like I was.To speak the truth under President George Bush was the worst crime of all. It was treason.
'But what exactly was the U.S. government trying to hide?

"The answer is more far reaching than you would expect. In the first article of this series written and edited with the help of Michael Collins, we talk about the 9/11 warning that my team delivered to the Office of Counter-Terrorism at the Justice Department in August, 2001.
"For those who think you've heard the whole story of 9/11, you might be surprised."
Susan Lindauer, March 1, 2009

The Bush administration told us Saddam was involved with 9/11. Then that we were pre-empting Weapons of Mass destruction. The smoking gun could well be a mushroom cloud. We were invading to free Iraq from tyranny, yet we destroyed the infrastructure but preserved the oil wells.

July of 2008, we were told this was the strongest economy ever.
November of 2008, we were told we had to give about a Trillion dollars to financial banks or the economy would collapse -- of course no strings attached.

>> Can anyone site any important issue where the Bush administration was honest about something, showed integrity, or wasn't lining their pockets and those of no-bid contractors? I mean, I'm just throwing out a short list here.

Oh, and the NIST at first told us that building 7 did not fall at free fall speed, and then they admitted it did. That's an important distinction.

So you folks can take the word of the ONLY source for 9/11 information that is a well known scheming stinking bunch of liars and war criminals. Or you can say; "We need to investigate this."

Originally posted by Grimstad

Originally posted by Mintwithahole.
I find it the ultimate irony that a politician from a country which, in the WW2, routinely had it's kamikaze pilots fly it's planes into American ships killing brave seamen should stand up and speak out about 9/11 where terrorists flew planes into American landmark buildings. . !

"Go figure. . . "

LOL.
Shame on me for not picking up on that.
People are strange and life is wierd.

It's kind of dangerous to "shoot the messenger." We had a lot of that in the lead-up to war, disparaging France and Canada and other nations who said it was a bad idea.

This guy has to not only have his own credibility, but carry the weight for WW II? Are there a few skeletons in Americas closet that we could say; "We'd believe you about 9/11 --- but remember that false flag event concerning the Lusitania?"

Originally posted by chiron613
I don't know why some Japanese people are concerned with 9/11, but I would guess it has more to do with their interests, than ours. For example, they might like the idea of the US government being so depraved that they'd stage something like 9/11.

IIRC, the interest is linked to Japan's involvement in the US War on Terror, which many in the opposition feel is unconstitutional. Japan's constitution explicitly forbids the use of the armed forces for any reason except defense and humanitarian response (where unarmed personnel are used in a non-combat situation, like the earthquake response in China). Japan's material support (the re-fueling operation) and the limited forces it contributed to the Iraq campaign were justified by the government as a defensive response to 9/11.

That's it, in a nutshell. If 9/11 wasn't what they say it is, then Japan's forces have not been acting within the law, and it's time to pull all support and start hauling Diet members in front of judges.

reply to post by Grimstad

“the government either carried out the 9/11 attacks or intentionally allowed them to happen”

the government either carried out the 9/11 attacks

OR

intentionally allowed them to happen

Do you understand exactly how loaded that question is or do you just choose to ignore it?
The entire “Truther” movement is fueled on that principal.

Do you even understand what you’re replying to? Perhaps you should keep up if you intend to jump into a discussion. One poster claimed that less than 1% of people believe in any cover-up and support an “official story” purported by the government. I merely posted a poll that tarnished their ignorant statement.

Originally posted by Mintwithahole.
I find it the ultimate irony that a politician from a country which, in the WW2, routinely had it's kamikaze pilots fly it's planes into American ships killing brave seamen should stand up and speak out about 9/11 where terrorists flew planes into American landmark buildings. . !

"Go figure. . . "

That’s just plain irrelevant. Just because his country was involved in this decades ago has nothing to do with this man, it doesn’t have any bearing on his personal beliefs. It also has nothing to do with 9/11. That’s like saying Americans are hypocrites for putting down Iraqis for killing their own people in suicide bombings while we’re over their shooting and bombing them and getting innocent people caught in the crossfire of the war WE started.

Originally posted by secretagent woooman
Japan's interest in this matter is odd because their school textbooks teach that Japan won World War II and their war monuments claim they defeated the Allies. Why they have invested so much time and energy in this matter is a mystery but at least they are doing something productive.

What..

You mean like America's text books teaching kids that Christopher Columbus came to America, befriended the Indians, traded some supplies, and left for home to return again? At least.. in my text books, I don't recall reading about the raping, the murders and the theft..

Or about the civil war being about freeing slaves, when in reality it was about the federalist destroying state sovereignty, and that it was by all means a war of aggression ..

Or techincally the US lost the War of 1812..

I could go on, but I think it's safe to say that every nation hides their misdeeds under the rug.

Anyways.. I find it fascinating that this guy is calling for an investigation.. it's almost like he's Japan's version of Ron Paul. Though I doubt it will amount to anything. In fact, I expect when I am well into my 70's it will be common talk on the streets that 9/11 was an inside job. Just like the gulf of Token, Pearl Harbor, Bay of Pigs etc.. if we remember it anyways.

Originally posted by LiquidLight
reply to post by secretagent woooman

 

I don't know where you heard this, but I've done some research and it doesn't appear to be true. for example, from Wikipedia

*Potsdam Declaration:

"Finally, Japan accepted Potsdam Declaration and decided to surrender.... With this, China and the occupied Southeast Asian nations were freed from the invasion of the Japanese military. In Joseon, the 35 years of the Japanese colonial rule was brought down." (p. 290)

en.wikipedia.org...

Sorry to be so well whatever your going to call me, but this has to be one of the funniest things I have ever seen in my life.

Let me get this straight, you are using wikipedia as a citation to tell someone else something isn't true? OMG LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry man, but that is just hilarious.

Just so you know, Wikipedia is user definitions and perhaps the most notorious of all unacceptable references and if you ever tried to use it for any citation in a university you would probably charged by the university with plagiarism (that's cheating) and most likely removed from the class.

[edit on 4/27/2009 by DarrylGalasso]

reply to post by Rockpuck


haha i love all you americans, you do know what the main bone of contention between japan and america is textbookwise right?!?!?

no?

Would you believe it those sneaky japs and their phoney text book suggest that they sent a telegram declaring war BEFORE attacking pearl harbor, they even mention that this was possibly covered up by the government who let the attack happen to galvanize the American people into support for the war - a view rather common around the world, i got taught it in England for example.

oh it also happens to be almost certainly the truth, although even to this day many american historians attest that the memo was delivered late (hehe all the other events which contributed it didn't happen either, the radar guy was just unluck right? no one could have guessed what was going to happen right? lol)

As for historic truth japan is actually rather poor at it, just ask china! Although in general they have a good historic perspective, many, many great japanese films and anime detail many aspects of the war, as a nation they have become very introspective - certainly they know ww2 was an alied victory, it would be fair to say that as many people in japan know about say the Rape of Nanking which is known in Japan as the Nanjing Incident as English know of the Opium war (aka anglo-oriental war in england) or relatively chinese know of tiananmen square (aka June Fourth Incident in china) or say americans know about the wall street bar which collected for NORAID (aka funding the IRA to plant bombs in english shopping centers) - some things don't gain anyone any political points by mentioning them, so they don't get mentioned.

A note on textbooks - just to hopefully get the thread back on track:

The Japanese government - by law - does not print textbooks, nor do they author them.

This goes back to the post-war occupation, where the USA decided it'd be rather a good idea to make it against the law for the government to resume control of what's taught in the classrooms. The law as it stands today is that (a) anyone can write a textbook, and (b) the government is allowed to review the work, but can only reject it on factual grounds, not editorial content or other issues. Once it's got the stamp from the government to say it's officially a textbook, it's up to the local boards of education to make the call on what's used in the classroom.

So, for example: saying "1+1=3" would be cause to send a textbook back to the author. Saying: "1+1=2, and by the way, the jews probably control the media" would be ok. Not ok because it's right, but ok because it's illegal for the government to say it can't be printed. It's a hard line against censorship and government control, but it's the law. Keeps the government from having too much control in the classroom, and apparently keeps Japan from annexing Korea again.

The other point to consider in all of this is the number of textbooks that this situation allows for. There are hundreds of history textbooks. My local bookshop has one bookcase - at least 8 shelves - devoted to history textbooks alone. There are likely thousands of textbooks across all disciplines that are available for sale, many of which aren't actually taught anywhere. It's important to remember that because people are prone to saying things like "Japanese textbooks say..." - as though there's only one or two nationwide.

There's really only one that gets any press though, that's put out by an ultra-right wing group. It's taught in one private school, which they also run. Why isn't that illegal? Because cracking down on unpopular political ideologies is also illegal. Why? See above, re: Korea.

/rant

reply to post by dubiousone

Unlike you, it's our unwillingness to eat the pablum, shut up, not speak unless spoken to, behave and ask no difficult questions like the good liitle children we were conditioned to be.

Wow, been a whole month since someone accused me of eating the pablum....I prefer hamburgers actually.

im going to try find this book on the google machine. looks like a good read.

reply to post by secretagent woooman


I live in Japan and I can assure you that what you have just said is complete and utter rubbish.

I did recently visit Yasukuni shrine and war museum does give a very biased view of some events in history, most notably the rape of Nanking which is only briefly mentioned and even then only that the city was captured. However Japanese children are NOT taught that they won the war

Originally posted by VitriolAndAngst
>> Can anyone site any important issue where the Bush administration was honest about something?

Yes I think I recall when GWB took the oath of office he stated his name.

reply to post by DarrylGalasso


Yes, but not his secret Skull & Bones name.

George W., Knight of Eulogia