Swine Flu news and updates thread

Originally posted by lynn112

Originally posted by nanbei
reply to post by larphillips

 

I was just asking if you or anybody else have any clue on why Asian countries are still very concerned about a virus that is allegedly even milder than normal flu. If it is supposed to be so harmless, why they don't let everybody get infected?
It seems people in Europe are not worried at all about the new flu.

I'm not sure, but could it be they are better prepared to handle this considering the SARS thing they dealt with?

Or it could be that they are not as willing to take chances when it comes to health situations because most of their people are in such condensed areas.

The response varies from country to country based on quite a few things:
1. Prior serious outbreaks of infectious disease (SARS, Bird Flu) creating a larger budget and more intense response apparatus.
2. Living conditions of the population which enhance severity of disease (high population living in small land area)

A lot of the Western nations are basing the response and lack of using political logic. They are so used to lying to the public however they will not share the reasons for taking a specific course of action if they involve anything that could generate controversy.

They've chosen a low intensity response using the following factors:
1. The economy cannot handle a high intensity program
2. Some researchers have argued that the virus had already spread too far / fast to contain.
3. There is a chance that a wide spread infection now will prevent the deadlier future wave such as the 1918 fall wave.
4. They've chosen to allow a number of deaths now vs. a higher number later.

Some of the items on that list could generate controversy but because they've chosen to implement this program without sharing the reasons the exposure of the cover up will create the exact thing they hoped to prevent. The political system has gotten into the habit of lying to the public and making choices without or contrary to our wishes. This will not continue to fly in a representative type of system where the public still thinks, (however naively) that the government has to follow the will of the voters.

There are some people who think the choice to implement a sacrificial response and actively hide it will bring down the Obama administration or destroy it's ability to continue making large scale changes to "the system". I for one want to see whoever decided it was OK to sacrifice my family and yours, (without telling us or asking us) to rot in jail.

Originally posted by irishchic
reply to post by novacs4me

 

Clever!

Okay...so what about the weekend people? High travel volumes usually meaning busy airports...events and get togethers...movie theaters...you know the usual hoop-la (and not enough of it is about "remembering" IMO)
Will it step up the infections or has it truly died down in terms of strength?

Is is believed that because it's "subsiding" (not buying personally) that it will be an even slower news-period or will things escalate as people go about their lives and do probably more with others who might be infected and will next week bring a new rash of fatalities?

Why I'm really not liking is the "sudden and violent" deaths...any more news on the ball-player's wife and others who simply dropped where they stood?
It's so awful...my heart goes out to their families.

Public pools open here in South Texas...waterparks aka potty-pools as well.
Gulp.

[edit on 21-5-2009 by irishchic]

I've been tied up off the forum today trying to help chase down some details on the rapid deaths and some other new developments that the research community is finding out about.

Even as weird as the various responses humans seem to have to the virus many of the research gurus still have claimed the virus is the same bug and the reason for the myriad of different responses are genetics and immune system differences in the victims.

I'm not so sure but then again, I'm not a virologist or geneticist by profession, just by hobby (not a fun or voluntary hobby, either).

We've set up a kind of large scale early warning system using our network of contacts, willing ER doctors / nurses and complex web spiders to watch for signs of a mutation / second wave / new symptoms and over the past few days the alarms have been tripped by sets of new cases.

A virus like this moves in waves just like people do. (People spread the virus, after all). If you were to watch a live map of the US that shows any stage of infection from new infections to onset of secondary illness to recoveries you would see the markers lighting up like waves moving across a pool of water. A single infection will turn into two, then four and so on, moving outward and away from the first. Like a stone being dropped in a pond, a splash will send a drop flying away from the ripples and create another set of waves across the pond. (This would be what they call a "cluster" outbreak). In real life this indicates a traveler, maybe a delivery person who was infected back at the first outbreak site and has now spread it suddenly to an isolated community a hundred miles away.

The point is there is a pattern to this even if it's a chaotic pattern.

We've started to pick up things that stand out from the background noise, like the ball player's wife. We already know the indications we would see in an ER where a patient comes in with a mutation of the virus and the words that would be used to describe his or her symptoms. The trick is to detect those indicators quickly and get someone in place to gather information before the cover up mechanism jumps in and hides it. We've all seen this happen with news articles being edited or stories being changed, (young, healthy patient dies, now he had underlying conditions, now he's back to no underlying conditions).

Anyone notice the MRSA co infection we've been told to be afraid of hasn't come up in a single case report yet?

It never came up in any of the Mexico reports. Not once.

Anyway, sorry for rambling on. I'm thinking out loud again. Nothing new to report yet but I'm working on it so I can finish the update from this morning.

reply to post by ecoparity


Do you have any info on where they think this virus originated? I know you said it could be from a lab however I'm wondering what country that lab was in.

I'm not sure what this all means, but apparently it's interesting to those that understand it....hopefully someone can translate it to plain english for the rest of us?

Serum Cross-Reactive Antibody Response to a Novel Influenza A (H1N1) Virus After Vaccination with Seasonal Influenza Vaccine

www.cdc.gov...

reply to post by phoenixs1


yah. It means the vaccines haven't helped vaccinated children with this new flu.

That a small percentage of people under 60 seem to have some antibodies that will help with the flu.

That a large number of people over 60 have some antibodies that will help for this flu.

Which is what I said a couple of posts ago.

[edit on 2009/5/21 by Aeons]

Oh yes. One of the reasons this excites them so much is that in pandemics a 1/3 of the population can be impacted. About a 1/3 of people over 60 have antibodies that react to this virus. So a virus in the wild somewhere probably between 50 to 70 years ago hit about 1/3 of the populace and left them with antibodies to fight a another flu 60 years later. Almost no one in the meantime has been infected with a close strain. No vaccine has been carrying any virus that is close to this viral lineage.

[edit on 2009/5/21 by Aeons]

Take a look at this computer simulation for the current H1N1 virus activity and look at the 30 day interval (which is what we are at) It's barely off the ground. The next 15 days are going to be very busy if this graph hold true. (the source for this is a government one)
Link to simulation

Originally posted by lunieri
Take a look at this computer simulation for the current H1N1 virus activity and look at the 30 day interval (which is what we are at) It's barely off the ground. The next 15 days are going to be very busy if this graph hold true. (the source for this is a government one)
Link to simulation

You'll like this one too. The Spanish Flu.

I've tried to find a Global one, but haven't yet.

1918 Epidemic Map - How it Begins

and yes it was originally produced for the bird flu, but its relevant for any new flu strain that results in a pandemic - so they say.

reply to post by ecoparity


why do you think that the diamondback pitcher's wife died of swine flu?

All the political type predictions they are making right now are based on what has been reported in Mexico. Where it is "going away" apparently.

Name ANY Mexican official you'd trust...about anything...ever.

I wouldn't even trust one to give correct time of day without an exchange of cash or porn.

[edit on 2009/5/21 by Aeons]

reply to post by Aeons


Yeah that one is interesting too!

Originally posted by phoenixs1
I'm not sure what this all means, but apparently it's interesting to those that understand it....hopefully someone can translate it to plain english for the rest of us?

Serum Cross-Reactive Antibody Response to a Novel Influenza A (H1N1) Virus After Vaccination with Seasonal Influenza Vaccine

www.cdc.gov...

This was a test to see if the seasonal flu vaccines would work against the pig flu. Short Answer? No

Originally posted by mamana
reply to post by ecoparity

 

Do you have any info on where they think this virus originated? I know you said it could be from a lab however I'm wondering what country that lab was in.

The virus originated from either a bio weapons research facility or a vaccine production lab.

The pig farm outside La Gloria is strongly suspected as being ground zero with a contaminated vaccine given to the pigs as being the mechanism of release. The vaccine maker in question had another incident involving vaccine stock being contaminated with live virus. Some feel the swine flu outbreak is a test of an intentional method of release with the second incident providing us intel of the preparation for a second phase outbreak of H5N1 which would / will be blamed on a mutation of the current swine flu.

For this scenario to be true, a variety of governments and companies would have to be involved in the conspiracy making it a "global" operation.


Other inside information, a rumor from the internet points to a lab in Libya and a terrorist attack using couriers who infected themselves. I don't completely buy this rumor as the actual earliest outbreak locations do not match with the intel given as the attack locations. It's my opinion that this rumor was started to try and provide a false "trail" in case certain elements of the cover up break into the mass media.

[edit on 21-5-2009 by ecoparity]

Originally posted by double_frick
reply to post by ecoparity

 

why do you think that the diamondback pitcher's wife died of swine flu?

We were tipped off to keep an eye on the story by a resource who was present at the location.

Originally posted by lunieri
Take a look at this computer simulation for the current H1N1 virus activity and look at the 30 day interval (which is what we are at) It's barely off the ground. The next 15 days are going to be very busy if this graph hold true. (the source for this is a government one)
Link to simulation

It's a neat simulation and I'd like to see one made from the actual US swine flu reports but it's almost completely opposite of the true case data for the swine flu outbreak.

The most active areas for the swine flu are the Southern states from Texas over to California. There's a "hole" in the cases in the East / Central part of the country where relatively few cases have occurred compared to the worst states.

I don't know that it provides us with anything we can compare to the current situation, unfortunately. If there are any data visualization techs on the forum it would be great to see some animations made using the real case data.

Man, they really got everybody going!!!

LOOK AT THE AMOUNT OF REPLIES!

I'm goin to do my part and give some advice: DO NOT BE DISTRACTED BY THIS!!! GET PREPARED, BUT EXPOSE 911, EXPOSE THE NWO, EXPOSE THE CARBON TAXES AS NOT BEING A SOLUTION AT ALL FOR THE ENVIRONMENTAL DEGRADATION THEY CAUSED!

EXPOSE IT ALL!!! TAKE ACTION NOW!!!!

reply to post by Time=Now


No one has "got me going." I get myself "going." Thanks.

reply to post by ecoparity


From what I understand, this simulation was based on 10 infections coming into the Los Angeles area - which is damn close to what we currently have. This Model is only based on assumptions, but yes it would be nice to track down a simulation with the current data we do have.

I'm sure there is probably one out there already.

Health Dept.: 56 Hospitalized With Swine In NYC

NEW YORK (CBS) ― A health department spokeswoman said on Thursday that 56 people have been hospitalized with confirmed cases of swine flu around New York City.

Spokeswoman Jessica Scaperotti had no information Wednesday on the patients' conditions or ages, or how the number of hospitalizations compares with recent days or weeks.

The department said most swine flu cases still are mild. City and state officials said there are more than 220 confirmed cases citywide. But Scaperotti said that represents only a fraction of the sick because only people with severe cases or in suspected clusters are being tested.

wcbstv.com...


Ahhh! only the severe MILD cases are being tested, the people hospitalized and fighting for their lives with the MILD flu that is

I'm starting to get tired of their use of the buzz word: MILD!