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Originally posted by IAF101
Any sane person would clearly see that it is these Muslim "nations" that have repeatedly attacked Israel unprovoked. First it was in 1948, when they decided to wipe out the recently arrived Jews and failed and then they systematically persecuted any Jews living in their own countries and again in 1967 they were ready to attack the Jews and lost. But these Muslim nations continued their madness again during the Yom Kippur war and tried to attack Israel again and lost again.
Originally posted by IAF101
If history is any indication, the Muslims and Arab nations are barbaric and vicious war mongers who dont seem to be able to live in peace. The Israeli attitude towards the muslim nations is one that many countries around the world are learning to do because their tactic is the most effective in dealing with violent muslim nations that you should show no mercy in dealing with these countries because they are not like ordinary human beings.
I'm just a man that despises hatred of a people, just because they are of a certain ethnic group.
Their fanatical, fundamentalist Islamic leaders are once again compelling them without choice. Their religion? Submission. Islam means submission.
The abilities of the West to wage war are unparalleled in history, and that ability is a combination of characteristics that the Persian and Arab Muslims will never, ever have.
Western nations habitually field bold, disciplined, well-armed armies of considerable power in times of need, and historically, these Western armies, once turned loose, kill like no others on earth.
No one could fight like Westerners.
were the Israelis compelled to take defensive measures to slow the ingress of the Muslim fundamentalists, who were following the words and examples of their "prophet."
As a group, the Gazans have to be some of the most stupid in recorded history.
They bitch about not having sufficient food, enough clean water, no sewer system, and shortages of medical supplies,
I've only known two Jews my entire life, and even that has nothing to do with Israel.
If Israel wanted to engage in mass killing, they'd have leveled Gaza. They didn't.
Originally posted by skeptic_al
reply to post by dooper
Israel blocked off the all roads and sea ports, nothing in or out.
They then bombed everything in sight using everything from NON laser
guided (although they did have them) to white phosphorus a banned
chemical weapons but they got them from the good 'ol USofA so that
makes it Okie Dokie. This was to ensure as much co-lateral damage
as possible, they weren't interested in getting terrorist but everyone.
The Israeli troupes were shooting at anything that moved. By closing all
access, Israel is in violation of collective punishment on several counts.
Troupes were also in violation of many Geneva conventions. And Israel
once again ignored all UN requests to stop. But then, Israel is not new
to defying official UN resolutions, the list is as long as your arm.
And Iraq had basically defied one UN resolution and the rest is now history.
But, if I was a Pale'n and I had family murdered by them I would definitely
want revenge. And even more so if they had nothing to do with terrorists.
However, the use against military targets outside civilian areas is not explicitly banned by any treaty. There is a debate on whether white phosphorus should be considered a chemical weapon and thus be outlawed by the Chemical Weapons Convention (CWC) which went into effect in April 1997. The convention is meant to prohibit weapons that are "dependent on the use of the toxic properties of chemicals as a method of warfare" (Article II, Definitions, 9, "Purposes not Prohibited" c.). The convention defines a "toxic chemical" as a chemical "which through its chemical action on life processes can cause death, temporary incapacitation or permanent harm to humans or animals" (CWC, II). An annex lists chemicals that fall under this definition and WP is not listed in the Schedules of chemical weapons or precursors.[50]
Originally posted by dragonridr
Originally posted by skeptic_al
reply to post by dooper
There are so many inaccuracies in these statements its hard to decide where to start. So ill start with the easiest the reason why gaza is isolated is because of hamas do not forget egypt also borders gaza. However they keep there border closed too know why? Because hamas is a bunch of radicals and egypt cant afford to have terrorists running around there country any more then isreal can. If Egypt decided to open its border then they would have to deal with hamas. Take history a step further do you realize this was egyptian territory and isreal offered to return it to egypt and they declined. Even egypt doesnt want to deal with the radicals not even for the territory does this tell you something? Now the whole white phosphorous I repeat is not considered a chemical weapon however its use is restricted its mostly used for flares and create smoke screens is perfectly legal to do so.
However, the use against military targets outside civilian areas is not explicitly banned by any treaty. There is a debate on whether white phosphorus should be considered a chemical weapon and thus be outlawed by the Chemical Weapons Convention (CWC) which went into effect in April 1997. The convention is meant to prohibit weapons that are "dependent on the use of the toxic properties of chemicals as a method of warfare" (Article II, Definitions, 9, "Purposes not Prohibited" c.). The convention defines a "toxic chemical" as a chemical "which through its chemical action on life processes can cause death, temporary incapacitation or permanent harm to humans or animals" (CWC, II). An annex lists chemicals that fall under this definition and WP is not listed in the Schedules of chemical weapons or precursors.[50]
So before you buy into poor us being played on the world stage by hamas get your facts straight.
Originally posted by skeptic_al
reply to post by dooper
Israel blocked off the all roads and sea ports, nothing in or out.
They then bombed everything in sight using everything from NON laser
guided (although they did have them) to white phosphorus a banned
chemical weapons but they got them from the good 'ol USofA so that
makes it Okie Dokie. This was to ensure as much co-lateral damage
as possible, they weren't interested in getting terrorist but everyone.
The Israeli troupes were shooting at anything that moved. By closing all
access, Israel is in violation of collective punishment on several counts.
Troupes were also in violation of many Geneva conventions. And Israel
once again ignored all UN requests to stop. But then, Israel is not new
to defying official UN resolutions, the list is as long as your arm.
And Iraq had basically defied one UN resolution and the rest is now history.
But, if I was a Pale'n and I had family murdered by them I would definitely
want revenge. And even more so if they had nothing to do with terrorists.
This has been reported widely from many sources. The International Red Cross filed complaints with Israel and the UN, because after they were given permission to enter and rescue wounded, they were fired upon by IDF soldiers. Not once, but on several occasions, This happened in Lebanon as well so a pattern has been established. This is a violation of the Geneva Conventions. IDF helicopters have also fired upon rescue workers, so it is not any isolated ground forces incident.
"Rules of Engagement: Open fire also upon rescue," was handwritten in Hebrew on a sheet of paper found in one of the Palestinian homes the Israel Defense Forces took over during Operation Cast Lead. A Israeli reservist officer who did not take part in the Gaza offensive believes that the note is part of orders a low-level commander wrote before giving his soldiers their daily briefing.
Given the high number of civilian casualties from White Phosphorus burns, it is clear that violations occurred. Perhaps this is why the IDF initially denied that ANY White Phosphorus was used. Facts on the ground proved their use and the IDF was forced to retract their denial. WP shell fragments were recovered as evidence of their use.
There are legal requirement to take all feasible precautions during military operations to avoid harming civilians. The Protocol on Prohibitions or Restrictions on the Use of Incendiary Weapons (Protocol III) prohibits the use of incendiary weapons against civilian targets, and also their use against military targets in civilian areas. (There is an absolute prohibition of such attacks by air, and a general prohibition on those from the ground ‘except when such military objective is clearly separated from the concentration of civilians and all feasible precautions are taken’ to prevent civilian casualties.)
Originally posted by Terapin
Dooper, let me ask you something in all sincerity. If someone was being oppressed, would it be OK to fight back? Wouldn't it be their moral duty?